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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:33 PM
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How Dangerous Is This Man? THE THREAT CLOSER TO HOME
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/02/20/ST2009022002974.html


By Douglas Schoen And Michael Rowan

Free Press. 220 pp. $25

Venezuela's President Hugo Chávez would be getting a lot more ink in U.S. newspapers if the United States weren't focused on fighting two wars. For more than a decade, Chávez has patterned his regime on Fidel Castro's Cuba. He has nationalized the stakes of U.S. businesses, asserted control over Venezuela's principal cash cow (the state-owned but once independently operated oil company PDVSA), shut down media outlets and prevented opposition party members from taking elected office. After being rebuffed in 2007 in a bid to become president-for-life, he held a second referendum last Sunday that cleared the way for him to run for reelection without term limits.

Since Venezuela is the fourth-largest supplier of oil to the United States, the authors of this book believe Americans ought to take Chávez more seriously. They are far from impartial observers. Both Douglas Schoen and Michael Rowan are political consultants who worked for the opposition candidate whom Chávez defeated in 2006. They believe Chávez manipulated that vote, just as they contend he rigged the results of a 2004 recall effort mounted by the civic opposition movement Súmate ("Join up"), for which the authors also worked. Schoen, who played a key role in former President Bill Clinton's reelection in 1996, is a prominent practitioner of the now global art of political polling and consulting: He has had 19 heads of state as clients and helped run election campaigns for Silvio Berlusconi, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Rabin and Ehud Barak. Rowan has done much the same thing, mostly for Latin American candidates.

During a decade of reporting in Latin America, I watched as Chávez behaved in undemocratic ways at home and supported subversive movements in the hemisphere. But Schoen and Rowan undermine their argument with hyperbole and unsupported allegations. On the first page of "The Threat Closer to Home," they write that "Chávez arguably presents a greater threat to America than Osama bin Laden does on a day-to-day basis," but they make no case that Venezuela has attacked the United States or plans to do so. They repeat a litany of previously published allegations about Chávez's support for Hezbollah and his close relationship with Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. But they do not add anything to the factual record, nor do they attempt a coherent explanation of what the two radical leaders are up to. The authors allege that Hezbollah operates "at least five training camps in Venezuela," but they offer no evidence. There is not even a footnote to buttress that sentence or the following one: "Hamas and even al-Qaeda have sent members to Venezuela to avail themselves of Chávez's hospitality."


Venezuela and Iran definitely can affect U.S. interests, but it is important to be clear about the nature of the threat, so far as it is currently known. The real power plays by the two leaders are in their respective neighborhoods; that is where the true dangers lie. Chávez has backed Colombia's FARC guerrillas and helped bring fellow radical populists to power in Bolivia, Ecuador and Nicaragua. Venezuela outspends the United States in economic aid to Latin America by 9 to 1. To push back against criticism of his agenda in Latin America, Chávez has marshaled powerful U.S. lobbyists and a phalanx of Hollywood celebrities (Naomi Campbell, Danny Glover, Sean Penn) who are drawn to reprise the 1960s radical-chic pose. Through Venezuela's state-owned CITGO, Chávez even bankrolled heating-oil rebates for low-income Americans.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:36 PM
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1. Except this book was written before the US had to focus on the
economy primarily. First sentence? Maybe that's a good thing in some ways.
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alexandria Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:39 PM
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2. Another tinpot dictator,just like Castro
Flame away.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:47 AM
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11. beats the hell out of the usual US supported dictators
I'd take Chavez over Efraín Ríos Montt or Roberto D'Aubuisson ("Blowtorch Bob" after his favorite instrument of torture) any time

Chavez is a genuine populist, and for a Latin American dictator has been relatively benign
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:32 AM
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13. How is he a dictator? He's elected. Is Obama a dictator? If he did a good job and people
wanted to abolish term limits, would he be a dictator? No.

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alexandria Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 11:09 PM
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18. 22nd amendment
Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:43 PM
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3. grabbing the popcorn for this one
:popcorn:

the Chavez Fan Club is bound to get in a snit
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:52 PM
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4. I'm no fan of Hugo, but what kind of THREAT is he?
Bueller? Anyone?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:58 PM
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5. Venezuela Ends Term Limits
http://www.alternet.org/audits/127927/venezuela_ends_term_limits/


Venezuelan voters have approved a referendum that ends term limits for the president and all other elected officials. Fifty-four percent of those who took part voted in favor of the measure February 15.

The Washington Post, in its colorful fashion, stated the matter like this: "President Hugo Chávez persuaded Venezuelans today to end term limits through a referendum that allows him to rule far into the 21st century to complete his socialist transformation of this oil-rich country."

Chávez is already 54 years old. If he rules for another 20 or 30 years, "far into the 21st century," he'll be older than John McCain and won't remember how many houses he owns.

The Post went on to say that "Chávez took office in 1999 and has since amassed overwhelming control over virtually every government institution." This statement is a gross exaggeration, but reporter Juan Forero probably had to skip lightly over the truth to meet a deadline. He also failed to state that the referendum ended term limits for all elected officials and is likely to turn the National Assembly into a geriatric ward.

With only one exception, the major newspapers in Caracas always go well beyond the timid Post when expressing their contempt for President Chávez. El Universal stated that 54.36 percent of the voters "endorsed President Hugo Chávez's proposal to amend the Constitution in order to establish endless reelection of all elected officials."
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:07 AM
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6. another neo fascist wet dream
these guys must have sat around masturbating to their fantasies of death and destruction of yet another country.

the pornography of violence and death is their only satisfaction.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:17 AM
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7. The Socialist revolution IS a real threat - to the Predator Class
n/t
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:35 AM
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14. Yeah, Chavez was a real threat to the poor people in NYC he gave heating oil to.
My neighborhood could use some Bolivarian horror.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:38 AM
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15. Bring us your Bolivarian Badness!
:D
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:44 AM
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16. LOL!
:rofl:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:42 AM
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8. I predict that Chavez will lose an election one of these days,
and that will be that. He is a fool, full of himself to some extent. But there are more dangerous people in the world. He very much wants to be loved, and he sees himself as a sort of godfather to the Venezuelan people. Sooner or later, that will become very tiresome, and some more balanced, quieter figure will come along, someone who is just as loving (and Chavez loves his people) but who is less of an egomaniac. Nations grow up just like people. After all, we had to suffer eight years of GW Bush. The world beyond our borders was far more horrified by him than by Chavez -- and although I am not a Chavez fan, I would say -- for good reason. The worst result would to have Chavez replaced with someone as far to the right as Chavez is to the left. It would be better if his successor turns out to be from the middle with a pragmatic approach to the economy. Venezuela needs a strong middle class -- as do we.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:43 AM
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9. Thom destroyed Schoen last week. It was a thing of beauty.
:)
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:44 AM
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10. I'm so scared of him and socialist revolution that I
may have to move to Venezuela in hopes of getting some health care as I age.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:48 AM
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12. Link to Thom eating Schoen for breakfast:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:08 AM
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17. This Doug Schoen?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 11:25 PM
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19. he doesn't make military threats,
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 11:25 PM by G_j
but Venezuela has lots of oil, plus Chavez is charismatic, outspoken, brazen,
and thus has a lot of influence. there's the "threat"
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