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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:18 AM
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Iran: the friendliest people in the world
From The Times
February 21, 2009

The metal door to the synagogue swung open and a small boy skipped across the courtyard. He looked puzzled at the three people who stood before him, two of whom were clearly not Iranian. He led us up some steps to the temple, where I slipped a skullcap on to my head. A lady came towards us, smiling. “Are you Jewish?” she asked.

“No,” I replied. “Sorry.”

My friend Annette and I went inside anyway, past a table of food laid out for Passover, and sat at the back as an elderly man read from the Torah in front of eight others.

I'd never have guessed that my first time inside a synagogue would be in Tehran, but Iran is full of surprises. It has a fundamentalist leadership that many in the West believe to be as nutty as a box of pistachios. But it also has a population of 65 million, most born after the 1979 Islamic Revolution (which culminated in the return from exile of Ayatollah Khomeini 30 years ago this month), and far removed from the dour and menacing stereotype often portrayed on the 10 o'clock news. The ordinary Iranian people are by far the friendliest and most welcoming I've met in more than 20 years of travelling.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/destinations/middle_east/article5768065.ece
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:21 AM
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1. They actually like us. Now that we've gotten rid of our stupid leader, they can do the same soon. n
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:29 AM
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2. Last weekend I visited the Jewelry District in L.A.
and the vast number of merchants were Iranian. They were extraordinarily courteous and expressed complete contentment living in the U.S. They said they had been treated well. On so many levels, that was good for me to hear.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:33 AM
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3. It is the M$M that tries to have Ahmadinejad stand for all Iranians
And succeeds too often.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:54 AM
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4. intelligence (spying) trade * commercial and weapons trade + historic precedence
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 11:04 AM by peacetalksforall
The history of cooperation between these two countries is decades old.
The history of cooperation between Moslems and Jews is centuries old - living side by side.

The Israelis and Iran are quite connected, but the leader of Iran mouths threats at Israel.
Israel wants to bomb and destroy Iran.

Do we overlook that fact that Israel is in the bag with all U.S. and international corporations about the control of the entire region? With a lot of hard work from Israel to make it so.

The lead up to war is about one world order and control of earth and people resources is the way to attain what they want. A certain portion of our rulers that they would be the ones to direct and own it - the resources and control.

Israel or the U.S. bombing Iran or vv could be worse for this world than the thefts that have caused the collapse of economies.

The Iranian people have some say with their leader, but much less for their religious leaders - the same situation as exists in this country.

Iran does not deserve to be bombed.

Yes, they are friendly, intelligent, value the same things we do - starting with safety for their children.

No one should accept the nuclear domination of the region in any bombin of Iran.

Remember, every day that the threats are thrown back and forth - people are getting rich.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 11:08 AM
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5. Just don't do anything to get stoned or, worse, to get your head chopped off.
And, by "stoned", I don't mean intoxication from inhaling burning herbs that happen to be illicit right now. :D
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zagging Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 11:11 AM
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7. I don't know
The author casually mentioned glassy eyed men smoking opium. Sounds rather common. Maybe the author should have qualified it a bit.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:33 PM
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9. Or get dragged behind a truck for a few miles on pavement; maybe hung for looking at a white girl...
...if you happen to be the wrong skin color. Or maybe tortured to death, and tied to a barbed wire fence to slowly bleed out and die.

Oh. Wait. That's shit that happens here in the U.S. all the fucking time...carry on.
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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:54 PM
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13. Those are criminal acts, done by individuals
Not gov't sanctioned legal punishments.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 11:10 AM
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6. Wow. Who da thunk it?
You cut through the bullshit propaganda here, and the constant, nationalistic attempts in the U.S. "media" to dehumanize an entire population, and you find that people tend to be the same all over the world.

Thanks for the article by the way... :)

One of my best friends was Iranian, and had to move back to Tehran a few years ago because of financial problems here. I've started to get worried about them since the incessant saber rattling by the ex-pres and our bloodthirsty "war means ratings" media.





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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:26 PM
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8. I was friends with an Iranian in the late 1970s.
He was a terrific guy. His family had sent him here for college. His father had a government clerical position of some sort, not an important one, for he had little money. I met my friend when he took a part time job at the factory I worked at - said he had to help pay for his living expenses or his family couldn't afford his education here. I guess we became friends because I sought him out to learn about his country and to make him feel more welcome, and he hadn't met many progressive Americans who welcomed him to the south.

He invited me to his place for dinner one night. He lived in a communal setting, a large apartment with about half a dozen other Iranian students. They were all delightfully warm, friendly, and welcoming to me. We had a wonderful time over dinner, discussing the Shah (they all hated him and how he was propped up by the US government). They told me a lot about the despotism of the Shah. We discussed what they were studying, most of them with an eye to helping their country when they returned (I remember one of the women was studying to become an engineer). Discussing all sorts of things that college students everywhere discuss.

But one of the most fascinating things we discussed was their Americanization. None of them was very much a 'practicing' Muslim. The women had discarded their head coverings. They drank, partied,lived just about like any American college kids. But they all acknowledged that they would have to clean up their acts when they returned home, mostly because their parents wouldn't approve. They didn't see it as hypocritical, more like sowing their oats while they could, while they were young and carefree. Before they had to go back home and get serious about saving their beloved country.

The food they served reminded me of the stuff we threw together back in my own 'commune' days. A big pot of rice with meat (they tried to convince me how much better the dish was with mutton), and herbs that were new to me then, and seemed quite exotic. A few vegetables were thrown in, including okra. We had a great discussion about how much we had in common, the people in Iran and in the southern US because we all loved okra! Wine, laughs, a warm, fun, enlightening evening.

A few weeks later I had a call from my friend. He was going home and called me to say goodbye. I had been watching the Iranian Revolution on tv, showing the huge numbers of people - millions of people out in the streets, demanding an end to the Shah. I knew immediately why he was going, and he confirmed that he simply had to be part of it. He had to get out there on the streets, with his people, and be part of bringing down the Shah, and helping to install a democratic government.

Well, he went. I never heard from him again.

I thought of him so often in the next few weeks and months, watching the people's revolution of Iran succeed so beautifully and bloodlessly. The revolution WAS televised. The people won.

Then watching in amazement and horror as the Ayatollah returned, stepping down the airplane steps like some god in his robes.

Next thing you know the reactionary religious element had somehow managed to co opt everything the people had accomplished. They swooped in and took over. There was some resistance, and then there were arrests, many of the students who had been most outspoken were arrested; some were killed. The most revolutionary elements were mostly done away with (though I would venture to say some of them may have been co-opted, and possibly some became some of the more moderate voices in the government). Still, the counter revolution of the religious nuts was successful.

I have cried for what might have been. Should have been. And I often think of my evening with those wonderful, friendly, politically aware, hopeful kids who were so fond of the US.

Wat


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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:40 PM
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10. My first girlfriend's dad delivered the Shah's babies.
Your story sounds a bit like mine. She was from Tehran. Mid 70's. I will always remember her brother. He was absolutely amazing. He was more like the all-American boy than most all-American boys I've seen. He was a prolific soccer player. Full of energy. Positive. I've never seen anyone who could open a beer bottle with his EYE. I kid you not. These kids were world travelers. She now lives in the US and is teaching English in a private school.

They're different. And that is why people in this country have a hard time accepting them. Their language is guttural. That further separates us. I'll never forget those irritating phone conversations she would have when her father called her at 3am. She was the most lively woman I've ever known. The last time I saw her she was on her way to a bar, trailed by a caravan of men in a half dozen cars. I'll never forget it. She was attractive.

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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:50 PM
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11. I correspond on-line with an Iranian musician. He is the kindest, warmest
most courteous person I have ever encountered.

I remember when I was in 7th Grade. The Iran hostage situation was going on. The Mickey Mouse "Hey, Iran!" flipping the bird T-shirt was popular, the "Bomb Iran" song that John McCain thought was so amusing was on the radio, and everyone was saying we should invade.

My 7th Grade history teacher showed a film in class one day. It was a documentary about an Iranian family restoring an ancient mosque out in the remote desert. It focussed on the special deep-blue colored glazed tiles used to decorate the mosque's onion dome. It was a fascinating film. Gentle, beautiful and inspiring. It showed us an Iranian people who were peace-loving, admirers and creators of beauty, and who were light-years from the images of strident, shouting, enraged radicals that we always saw in the news.

I think my history teacher was very wise.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:51 PM
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12. My fiance is half Iranian.
His relatives are fucking hilarious. They referred to President #43 as "the Bush fucker". People are people all over. Marjane Satrapi's "Persepolis" is good reading/watching if anyone is interested in a shapshot of recent Iranian history.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=persepolis&aq=0&oq=persep

Most of the film adaptation of her book is at youtube.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:00 PM
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17. Yes to "Persepolis". Notice once again that socialism,
preferably democratic and not oppressive communism, was the potential viable answer that was not allowed...
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:00 PM
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18. Dupe,
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 02:00 PM by Ghost Dog
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:57 PM
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14. Catch Rick Steves' Iran on PBS if you can.
It's very eye-opening. The Seattle station is rebroadcasting it this week.

Preview at http://www.ricksteves.com/iran/
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:10 PM
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15. I worked for a gentleman from Tehran for several years
After every task I completed for him, big or small, he told me "thank you so much for all you do. You're doing a great job."
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:13 PM
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16. Golly. They're people. News flash.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:14 PM
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19. Nice people, and as per the IAEA they're not producing weapons grade uranium either.
Hmm, who should I believe, the neocons and Israeli war hawks or the IAEA?

Iran not producing weapon-grade uranium: IAEA

Atul Aneja

DUBAI: Iran has not converted the low-grade uranium that it has produced into weapon-grade uranium, inspectors belonging to the International Atomic Energy Agency have said.

The Austrian Press Agency quoted an IAEA expert as saying that the uranium substances that Iran has produced at its Natanz enrichment facility have been carefully recorded and remote cameras have been installed to supervise part of the stockpile.

“If the Iranians intend to transport these uranium substances to a secret location for further processing, agency’s inspectors will find out,” he said.

The expert added that “so far, Iran has carried out good cooperation with us in relevant verifications”.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/2009/02/22/stories/2009022253751300.htm

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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:21 PM
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20. I went to the world cup game between Iran and the US
My seats were right in the middle of a crowd from Teheran. I was struck by two thoughts. Man, Iranian women are gorgeous, absolutely stunning and friendly. And Iranian men were polite, friendly, warm, and searching out for contact with the west. My Michael Jordan t-shirt was quickly swapped for a HUGE iranian flag (and a shirt of Iran's top player).


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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:33 PM
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21. Yes, but we have to bomb them, because if they are our friends, we have to make enemies of them.
Like we have done with the Iraqis and like we apparently intend to do with Pakistanis. :sarcasm:
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argyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 03:05 PM
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22. A dear friend of mine,now deceased,told me,"I've never met a rude Iranian."He worked for an Iranian
family for years. He helped them get their business going from scratch. It was originally him,the owner,and the owner's uncle. They now employ about 40 people full time.

In so doing he became a member of their extended family, And I had the pleasure of meeting them and being a part of their gatherings a few times. Grace,wit,and intelligence abounded. I'd have liked to have seen more of them but Darrell was in Seattle,and I visited about once every two years.

Darrell died of lung cancer in 2005.It was a hard way for such a thoroughly decent guy to go. For several months he was too sick to work.He filed for for,and received,Social Security benefits,but in those months he was no longer able to work Hassan continued to pay him full salary as a gift,nothing taken out,no tax credit for him,and his wife Gilda would stop by at least twice a week,with delicious Iranian dishes,to make sure he was eating properly.

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