Does anyone have any details about Texas nat guard being called out.

[angrycarpenter]

There is a story buzzing around the conservo-sphere about Obama ignoring "desperate pleas" for help from Texas to handle a demonstration on the Mexico side of the border and after Obama hadn't gotten back to them this morning they called out the guard and told the "lousy feds" that Texas would take care of Texas. I cannot find any info on this from anywhere and I was wondering if it was just a stunt or if there was some real emergency.

[Hello_Kitty]

1. Why should the Nat'l Guard handle a demonstration on the other side of the border?

[Ilsa]

3. Only to prevent an "invasion" of sorts. I haven't heard anything yet. nt

[angrycarpenter]

4. I think they wer scared that it would spill over to texas

I have no details. DU is the best place I have ever seen to dig up info.

[tammywammy]

28. There's been a high increase of violence on the border n/t

[Horse with no Name]

29. Too late. It already has. n/t

[rwheeler31]

2. It is Texas .

[ellaydubya]

17. Yes,.....meaning what?

Please explain because I am from Texas.

[lonestarnot]

5. Wait, Texas deployed the guard to Mexico?

[angrycarpenter]

8. To the border I think. nt

[Horse with no Name]

31. There are border patrol on our side

And Mexican troops on the other side.
As far as I know, there hasn't been any Texas National Guard deployed...yet.

[TBF]

6. They've worked on a plan apparently - this is all I could find on it

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/violence_23502___article.html/border_plan.html

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Sadly, from the article

"The most significant threat Texas faces is spillover violence from Mexico's drug cartels," Perry's homeland security director, Steve McCraw, told state senators at a hearing Wednesday. "You can never be too prepared."

This is true... but too late, the violence has been spilling over for now YEARS

[TBF]

13. Yeah, it has gotten more serious but you're right that it's been building

for awhile. Many rich Mexicans have already bought homes in Houston. Crime has been bad in the past year, but I'm not sure if it's due to the situation south, or simply a result of this economy. Maybe a bit of both.

[BlooInBloo]

7. Don't see anything on google news about it, so I suspect it's a hoax.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. I'm confused, but how exactly does Texas have jurisdiction in Mexican Sovereign

territory?

And assuming it happens, the opportunity for escalation is lots of fun

[TBF]

10. They don't - the efforts are on the border. n/t

[TheDebbieDee]

12. I'm sure that the Texas Nat'l Guard

would only be deployed to reinforce whatever security there is at the Texas-Mexico border.

[alexandria]

14. For what is worth i found this.

1) 100’s of PRO-DRUG CARTEL Mexicans were blocking the entrance to the United States, yesterday and today, banging cars, shouting and holding signs. 10 people were killed Wed. and 12 more yesterday at the border (5 of which were children!!!)
2) They aren’t sure … but they think the Drug Cartel is paying the demonstrators to do what they’re doing.
3) This will spill over into the States! Mr. Patrick, and the other State officials,. are convinced that road-side bombs and car bombs will make it across the border and WILL NOT allow that to happen!!
4) Mexico is breaking out in Civil War in the western part of the border and they expect it to spread the entire border with no end in sight.
5) The National Guard will be activated as the scenario worsens and is on Alert now and will remain so until (and IF) Washington does something to end the danger on the border (Yeah… like that’s gonna happen!).

http://www.sodahead.com/blog/44500/texas-national-guard-on-alert/

[Ilsa]

15. I haven't heard anything official. Just found these sites about it:

http://www.lockergnome.com/leftystrat/2009/02/21/texas-national-guard-on-high-alert/

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/83731

Texas State Senator, Dan Patrick, was on FoxNews this morning at 8:45am. He said he had some “breaking news to share”. Boy was it!!! The Texas State Legislature had been trying very hard to get the Obama Administration to respond to a critical situation on the Texas Border. The Administration had not gotten back with Texas as of last night. So the State of Texas told Washington D.C. basically they could go jump, and “we’ll take care of Texas!”. As of last night… the Texas National Guard has been put on High Alert!!! This is the first time in history! Texas tried, desperately to get Washington’s approval… but when they could not get it… they acted on their own. Which I say…. it’s about damn time!!! I personally applaud the guts it took to defy the Fed’s and act in our best interest! In case you are unaware of what the problems are …. Sen. Dan Patrick spelled it out nicely!

1) 100’s of PRO-DRUG CARTEL Mexicans were blocking the entrance to the United States, yesterday and today, banging cars, shouting and holding signs. 10 people were killed Wed. and 12 more yesterday at the border (5 of which were children!!!)
2) They aren’t sure … but they think the Drug Cartel is paying the demonstrators to do what they’re doing.
3) This will spill over into the States! Mr. Patrick, and the other State officials,. are convinced that road-side bombs and car bombs will make it across the border and WILL NOT allow that to happen!!
4) Mexico is breaking out in Civil War in the western part of the border and they expect it to spread the entire border with no end in sight.
5) The National Guard will be activated as the scenario worsens and is on Alert now and will remain so until (and IF) Washington does something to end the danger on the border (Yeah… like that’s gonna happen!).



I didn't see any other reference to it online.

[Horse with no Name]

30. I think the State Department is pretty official

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/pa/pa_3028.html
>>>snip
Mexican drug cartels are engaged in an increasingly violent conflict - both among themselves and with Mexican security services - for control of narcotics trafficking routes along the U.S.-Mexico border. In order to combat violence, the government of Mexico has deployed troops in various parts of the country. U.S. citizens should cooperate fully with official checkpoints when traveling on Mexican highways.

Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades. Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez. During some of these incidents, U.S. citizens have been trapped and temporarily prevented from leaving the area. The U.S. Mission in Mexico currently restricts non-essential travel to the state of Durango and all parts of the state of Coahuila south of Mexican Highways 25 and 22 and the Alamos River for U.S. government employees assigned to Mexico. This restriction was implemented in light of the recent increase in assaults, murders, and kidnappings in those two states. The situation in northern Mexico remains fluid; the location and timing of future armed engagements cannot be predicted.

A number of areas along the border are experiencing rapid growth in the rates of many types of crime. Robberies, homicides, petty thefts, and carjackings have all increased over the last year across Mexico generally, with notable spikes in Tijuana and northern Baja California. Ciudad Juarez, Tijuana and Nogales are among the cities which have recently experienced public shootouts during daylight hours in shopping centers and other public venues. Criminals have followed and harassed U.S. citizens traveling in their vehicles in border areas including Nuevo Laredo, Matamoros, and Tijuana.

The situation in Ciudad Juarez is of special concern. Mexican authorities report that more than 1,800 people have been killed in the city since January 2008. Additionally, this city of 1.6 million people experienced more than 17,000 car thefts and 1,650 carjackings in 2008. U.S. citizens should pay close attention to their surroundings while traveling in Ciudad Juarez, avoid isolated locations during late night and early morning hours, and remain alert to news reports. A recent series of muggings near the U.S. Consulate General in Ciudad Juarez targeted applicants for U.S. visas. Visa and other service seekers visiting the Consulate are encouraged to make arrangements to pay for those services using a non-cash method.

U.S. citizens are urged to be alert to safety and security concerns when visiting the border region. Criminals are armed with a wide array of sophisticated weapons. In some cases, assailants have worn full or partial police or military uniforms and have used vehicles that resemble police vehicles. While most crime victims are Mexican citizens, the uncertain security situation poses serious risks for U.S. citizens as well. U.S. citizen victims of crime in Mexico are urged to contact the consular section of the nearest U.S. consulate or Embassy for advice and assistance. Contact information is provided at the end of this message.

[Still Sensible]

16. Unequivocally pure bullshit

unless called up by the President for specific assignment, each and every National Guard unit reports to the office of the governor in each state. That was part of the dispute between Blanco and Bush in the wake of Katrina. Governors can and do activate their state National Guard units as necessary--most often this occurs in response to natural disasters such as floods, hurricanes and tornadoes. Of course the RW nutjobs count on the fact that most people don't understand (and God knows we haven't really taught civics in our schools for many decades).

From Wikipedia:


"Established under Title 10 and Title 32 of the U.S. Code, state National Guard serves as part of the first-line defense for the United States.<3> The state National Guard is divided up into units stationed in each of the 50 states and U.S. territories and operates under their respective state governor or territorial adjutant general <4>. The National Guard may be called up for active duty by state governors or territorial adjutant general to help respond to domestic emergencies and disasters, such as those caused by hurricanes, floods, and earthquakes.<4>"

[Ilsa]

20. Yeah, a state senator overstated to Fox News what is going on.

He talks about it as though there has been an over-running into Texas, and that they have already asked Obama for assistance and haven't gotten any. It is a lie.

[Horse with no Name]

32. Yes. In specific, Dan Patrick (on Faux news no less). Fueling the xenophobes

:eyes:
http://www.thecommentary.net/state-senator-dan-patrick-texas-national-guard-on-alert/

>>>snip
Texas State Senator, Dan Patrick, was on FoxNews this morning at 8:45am. He said he had some “breaking news to share”. Boy was it!!! The Texas State Legislature had been trying very hard to get the Obama Administration to respond to a critical situation on the Texas Border. The Administration had not gotten back with Texas as of last night. So the State of Texas told Washington D.C. basically they could go jump, and “we’ll take care of Texas!”. As of last night… the Texas National Guard has been put on High Alert!!! This is the first time in history! Texas tried, desperately to get Washington’s approval… but when they could not get it… they acted on their own. Which I say…. it’s about damn time!!! I personally applaud the guts it took to defy the Fed’s and act in our best interest! In case you are unaware of what the problems are …. Sen. Dan Patrick spelled it out nicely!

1) 100’s of PRO-DRUG CARTEL Mexicans were blocking the entrance to the United States, yesterday and today, banging cars, shouting and holding signs. 10 people were killed Wed. and 12 more yesterday at the border (5 of which were children!!!)
2) They aren’t sure … but they think the Drug Cartel is paying the demonstrators to do what they’re doing.
3) This will spill over into the States! Mr. Patrick, and the other State officials,. are convinced that road-side bombs and car bombs will make it across the border and WILL NOT allow that to happen!!
4) Mexico is breaking out in Civil War in the western part of the border and they expect it to spread the entire border with no end in sight.
5) The National Guard will be activated as the scenario worsens and is on Alert now and will remain so until (and IF) Washington does something to end the danger on the border (Yeah… like that’s gonna happen!).

FoxNews has yet to put this on their website which absolutely ticks me off!!!! I will post it IF they get the stones to do what’s right!

For now… here’s a link that will take you to a story on Feb. 12th that will help explain a lot.
>>>> CLICK HERE!

Let’s pray it doesn’t come to this…. but in reality… Texas could be in a Civil War (actually it would be an international incident) with Mexico very soon if this isn’t quelled. Just so you folks know…. the four Militia Groups that are here in Texas will be put on alert this evening. This has gotten REAL, REALLY FAST!

God help us… as we do what is necessary.

[rocktivity]

35. Well, if it's the Texas governor who releases the national guard

why hasn't Patrick turned to him? Because he doesn't know US Presidents don't run the National Guard, or because he thought it was more important to undermine Obama?

:crazy:
rocktivity

[Ilsa]

18. Someone overstating the threat level: Here's a little something out

of McAllen - Reynosa border cities:

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/violence_23502___article.html/border_plan.html

As protests and gunfire erupted last week across Reynosa, Hidalgo County authorities stood prepared at the international bridges, ready for any possibility.

With mobile command units connected to statewide intelligence centers and dozens of officers armed to confront potential threats, law enforcement officials responded to Tuesday's violence like they never have before.

The incident prompted state officials to enact for the first time a border-wide emergency plan developed to address threats from Mexico's ongoing war against its entrenched drug cartels.

Dubbed the "Operation Border Star Contingency Plan," Gov. Rick Perry's office drafted the policy with local, state and federal law enforcement agencies last year to prepare for the possibility of violence spilling over into the United States.

"The most significant threat Texas faces is spillover violence from Mexico's drug cartels," Perry's homeland security director, Steve McCraw, told state senators at a hearing Wednesday. "You can never be too prepared."

SNIP

The protests Tuesday at border crossings in cities such as Reynosa, Nuevo Laredo and Ciudad Juarez drew thousands of demonstrators but remained relatively calm. A separate Mexican army raid on a suspected Gulf Cartel safe house led to a shootout that killed at least six later that day.

The violence remained confined to the Mexican side of the border, but the incident provided a good test run for the lowest levels of the Border Star contingency plan, said Katherine Cesinger, a spokeswoman for the governor.

SNIP

At each increasing threat level, different local, state and federal authorities will be called in to establish order, they said. In the direst situations, the governor could dispatch the Texas Army National Guard to help maintain the peace.

[Ilsa]

19. The Laredo Morning Times has an online poll asking if TNG troops should

be sent to the border:

http://www.lmtonline.com/

[jwirr]

21. So they are saying President Obama would not send troops. Aren't

the border patrol federal?

[NYC_SKP]

22. Google News Search. You HAVE to read this from FOX!!! Candy bars coming out of Glenn Beck's butt?

The only results were from fox who had Sen Patrick on Glen Beck. But check out this part of the conversation:

What Happens to the U.S. if Mexico Collapses?

PATRICK: We have 19 border crossings with Mexico. Number two, Texas - we should be calling out our national guard. We should be calling out Texas guard. We should be beefing up our sheriffs on the border. We should be beefing up our Department of Public Safety on the border.

BECK: It would be nice if candy bars came out of my butt, too.

PATRICK: We need to do all of those things and we need to do them now.

BECK: And I can eat all day. But they're not going to come out of my butt. So why are we talking about that? The government is not going to do it.

PATRICK: Glenn - Glenn, it will be done if we have leadership, if we have leadership here in this state and if we have leadership in the country.

BECK: Hang on -

PATRICK: And at some point, leaders will emerge, Glenn.

BECK: Oh, my god. It's a candy bar. It's not going to happen, Dan.

PATRICK: Leaders will emerge, Glenn.

BECK: You know what? I'm going to do this -

PATRICK: It will happen.

BECK: I'm going to do this - I'm going to eat chocolate for the next week, in hopes that I can make candy bars come into my pants. You keep trying to find a leader that is actually going to clean up the border. I bet I make candy bars in my shorts faster than you can find a leader.

:rofl:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494984,00.html

[angrycarpenter]

25. That proves it, he is certifably insane.

That may be the most koo-koo:crazy:thing he has ever said.

[NYC_SKP]

27. I did a double-take, thought it was the Onion, but nope, it happened.

Glen seems to have a thing for butts and chocolate...

[blogslut]

23. Here you go

From the Dallas Morning News, no less. A very good overview of the situation. There are protests on the Mexico side of the border but the troops the citizens are protesting are Mexican troops. Some claim that drug cartels are behind the protests. Others say the people protesting have legitimate reasons. Good article from a brief scan:

link: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/021909dnintprotests.3de2f33.html

[Warpy]

24. I've heard mention that three border crossings

are pretty much shut down except for people with work passes going back and forth.

The political situation in Mexico, especially up near the border where drug gangs are battling it out for prime territory, is getting worse by the day.

It's why I'm cooling my heels here for one more damn year.

[Horse with no Name]

34. I hear you

It's why we postponed our trip this December. I heeded the travel advisories that were initiated under PRESIDENT BUSH.
The republicans do know, of course, that this isn't a new thing going on?:eyes:

[Warpy]

37. Republicans think the western hemisphere ends

five miles past the Mexican border.

[El Supremo]

26. I just came back from El Paso

Saw the demonstrators on the Juarez side Tuesday.

The Mexican authorities are not accomplishing anything. There have been over 1800 killed in Juarez since Jan. 2008.

I could see our Army from Ft. Bliss doing something. Not just the Texas National Guard. This is a SERIOUS situation. And OUR stupid drug culture is to blame.

Off my high horse now.

[No.23]

33. May I suggest...

that it's not our drug culture that shares the bulk of the culpability.

Instead, it's the racist and unjust "war against drugs."

[Horse with no Name]

36. Posse Comitatus--if the Army gets involved on this side of the border

To deploy the Army to a foreign country, we would have to declare war on Mexico.

I don't think either is going to happen.

[No.23]

38. PC is effectively dead.

http://www.standeyo.com/NEWS/06_USA/061031.Bush.martial.law.html

Bush made sure of that.

With the Democrats' complicity.

[merh]

40. I don't think you are correct about the Posse Comitatus

Congress could order the military to the border under the US Constitution.

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

What is wrong is putting this on Obama's back alone - it is Congress that has the authority to call forth the military, pursuant to the Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/warandtreaty.htm

[No.23]

41. Did you read...

the link that I included?

http://www.standeyo.com/NEWS/06_USA/061031.Bush.martial.law.html

Or do would you appreciate some more corroborating links that support the proposition that Bush and the Dems effectively castrated PC?

I'll be happy to oblige, but it will have to be tomorrow.

[merh]

42. I don't care what Bush did relative to PC

the Constitution is clear.

And I don't go to links posted by newbies, I don't trust them. Don't take it personal, but goodness knows where you could be sending me or what trash I may pick up.

The Constitution is VERY CLEAR and should be followed.

[No.23]

43. Cool. Happy to respect your biases.

Even if they impact newbies who include links.

But in fairness to accuracy, it's not what Bush did to PC.

It's what Bush did with the Dems' support.

But then again, I completely understand why you would use my newbie status to avoid reading a link that spells that out.

Cheers!

[merh]

44. I don't care what Bush did with the support of the dems.

Now do you feel better.

The Constitution is clear and you have not posted a thing in your reply that comes close to countering my post. The constitution makes it clear, congress can call upon the military to protect the borders against a possible invasion. PC has nothing to do with that constitutional power.

[No.23]

45. Since you don't explicitly care about how the Dems supported Bush...

in castrating PC, can I guess that you had no problem, therefore, giving the Democratic Party your support this past national election?

Since I am clear that you don't care how the Dems supported Bush in castrating PC, that is.

[merh]

46. It would appear that you are the one that doesn't support the dems.

Your posts make me wonder why you are here. You do know the rules about supporting dems, don't you?

And PC has nothing at all to do with the use of the military to repel invasions - a constitutional power assigned to congress. You may want to try to stick to the discussion at hand.

[galileoreloaded]

39. Chilling video. Graphic in Mexican news style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jag1RMi2E4

[lonestarnot]

47. San don donia!