It is Governor Bobby Jindhal...

[nadinbrzezinski]

that is the way this man likes to be addressed

Enough with this stupid game. ENOUGH

And I hardly agree with ahem the Governor, ok

Oh and thanks for the spelling correction

He's is hard to spell, like MINE is... for most folks... damn not even copy and paste got it right.

[thewiseguy]

1. Is he really that insecure?

Hey I have a foreign name and I do not ask people to call me Sam or John.

[Luminous Animal]

3. Who the fuck cares? He goes by Bobby - that is his name

Saying otherwise is playing on people's fears of the "other". Republicans have made themselves irrelevant playing that game.

[thewiseguy]

11. Read my fucking post again.

[Luminous Animal]

20. I fucking read it again...

You make some bizarre assumption about insecurity and you expect me to take you seriously?

DU is pathetic tonight.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. I wonder what got into the water at the drinking fountain

[Luminous Animal]

27. Idiotic tit for tat? I don't know but it is depressing.

[EFerrari]

52. I think this is why I won't teach any more.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Simpler than that, when in Rome... and Bobby is easy to pronounce

trust me, I am actually familiar with that problem

[thewiseguy]

7. Those are freaking excuses

People may have a hard time pronouncing my name the first time but then you learn it and move on.

I do not need to change my freaking name to blend it or be accepted by bigots.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Ever read of Ellis Island?

And he CALLS HIMSELF BOBBY... how hard is this for you to get?

[thewiseguy]

14. I do not care wtf he calls himself. His first name is Piyush.

Barack did not have to run away from his name and nor was he ashamed of it.

I have no respect for people who do so. Fuck him, I am calling him Piyush.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. And you are behaving like a fine Republican who uses that to scare and divide people

attack the man on the issues, and lord knows there is plenty in that speech

Playing games with a name is just the same crappy game republicans play

[thewiseguy]

18. Here is your problem. I see nothing wrong with his first name.

But you and Jindal apparently do.

He has to use his first name and should not be ashamed of it. So I am calling him Piyush and I would be damned if I am trying to attack him by that or make fun of his name.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. I don't see a problem either, but if he CHOOSES to use BOBBBY I am no-one

to question that decision

Your problem is that you want to emphasize the different

I know that POLITICALLY he probably chose Bobby... but I don;t know

Perhaps he was bugged as a kid

I don't know

He chooses to use Bobby... and I will NOT PLAY your stupid game.

There is plenty of meat in that speech he gave,. I don't need to go to the name, and neither do you

The fact that YOU choose to do that, speaks volumes about you

[thewiseguy]

23. You are the one who has a problem with his first name

You keep thinking that his name first name is apparently an issue and when people use it then it means that they are mocking Jindal for it.

Grow up and get a brain.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. He goes by bobby, hard to understand?

You don't get it do you? You wish to attack, the speech is enough to attack him on

And it is you who is having a problem on being called on this stupid game you are playing

Grow up... this is a NON FUCKING ISSUE

[Luminous Animal]

29. YOU are the one with the problem...

You are trying to play the same "fear of the other" game that the Republicans tried to play by consistently emphasizing Obama's middle name. People are not mocking Jindal, but pandering to bigots.

[thewiseguy]

35. You are the one with bigger problems if you think Jindal is very intelligent

The guy believes in creationism and you think he is very intelligent. What fossil records? Humans and dinosaurs coexisted!

Yes Jindal is very intelligent. :puke:

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. He's actually a rhodes scholar, believe it or not

magical thinking is a whole different matter, and creationism is exactly that

[Luminous Animal]

40. The majority of people in the U.S.

believe in god. From my point of view, there is not much difference in believing in god and believing in creationism.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. There are other forms of magical thinking as well

like the ever so popular history moves forwards and things always get better

Not limited to religion, but I get the point

[Hanse]

45. Believing in Creationism is factually wrong.

It's not a religious opinion, it's a misstatement of fact.

Like believing that 1 + 1 = 3.

It's quite stupid, and those who believe it are stupid.

[Luminous Animal]

53. Ahahaha!!!!

Believing in the trinity is a misstatement of fact.

Like believing that 1+1+1 = 1.

It is quite stupid and those who believe it are stupid.

[Hanse]

58. Belief or disbelief in the trinity is unproveable. Outside the realm of facts.

"It is quite stupid and those who believe it are stupid."

So that's all Catholics? Including "Bobby" Jindal?

:rofl:

[Luminous Animal]

64. No. That is you.

I've claimed all along that literal belief in the bible, belief in god and exorcism is not a sign of stupidity. I find all three equally preposterous but belief in any of them NOT a sign of stupidity.

[Hanse]

65. I'm catholic? Or I'm Jindal? Huh?

"I've claimed all along that literal belief in the bible, belief in god and exorcism is not a sign of stupidity."

According to the literal interpretation of the Bible, the world is 6,000 years old, the world is flat, and the value of pi is three.

What about that is not a sign of stupidity?

[Luminous Animal]

71. As I have stated...

In my opinion, belief in your examples is just as ridiculous as a belief in the god, miracles, angels, the devil, the divinity of Jesus, and the virginity of Mary and yet, each and every day, I interact with intelligent people who believe. Going by your logic, if Jindal is stupid, then so 85% of the U.S. population.

[Hanse]

74. You're saying 85% of Americans practice exorcisms?

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

[Luminous Animal]

79. No wonder why you have to resort

to calling people names. You've got nothing.

[Vehl]

30. i agree

anyone who adopts a name so he could "fit in", is seriously lacking in self confidence. not one we would want to have as a prospective president.


obama never hid/changed his name whereas Piyush not only changed his name but also converted :)
its his personal choice but it kinda lays his personality bare.



but then again..this is the guy who thinks "intelligent" design ought to be taught in schools....

[wickerwoman]

33. Probably 99% of the ESL students I taught picked "English" names

I told them they didn't have to and I tried to have the respect to learn their name and how to pronounce it. But most of them were sick of having to spell their name endlessly and having people draw a blank when they tried to introduce them. It doesn't automatically mean that someone is self-loathing. Plus, having a name like "Piyush" which is easy to intentionally or unintentionally interpret at Pish or Piss would probably provide extra incentive. I had a student whose Chinese name sounded like "Doodoo" or "Dodo" in English. Was I being cruel to suggest that she use an English nickname in business correspondence? There's a nickname from my name which I absolutely hate. If I ask somebody not to use it, I hope they would respect that.

[Vehl]

59. hmnn

would i be incorrect in hazarding a guess that the vast majority of students who changed their names in your class were from east Asia?


while i was in college; i encountered this problem all the time. my real name; although not as hard to pronounce as some other names are,is still not easy to pronounce. and yes..there were many instances when my friends would draw a blank when introducing me to another. But i never took the easy way out and always gave my name as it is. and yes..it was hard for people to pronounce but it did serve as a benchmark for me to asses who really bothered to get it right. and those who did; albeit after many a trial and error were in my mind valued higher than those who did not try.


i always try to pronounce the name of people i meet; and i actually enjoy it. in fact; if possible i ask what their name means (in many countries names have quite a lot of meaning/history behind it). By learning names we are learning world history :)


if a person is not even confident enough to use his/her own name; then they have to do a reality check pronto, because its going/is taking to take a big toll on their self-confidence.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. Believe it or not, in some areas of the country, even today

that may lead to problems getting work

Highly illegal, granted, but a reality even today

[EFerrari]

70. That was your decision and it was right for you, not necessarily right for others.

I went to my middle name when I was nine because no one could pronounce my first name and I was embarrassed for them. There was nothing wrong with my self confidence.

[Vehl]

80. ok

well i was talking about people who change their names in order to fit in. i agree there are people who change it so others could pronounce it easily.


but my (mean? :P ) reasoning is that as english is not my first language and i pronounce their names perfectly; it would not hurt them to try pronounce mine :). after all...i dont get annoyed when they mispronounce mine. im more of a "bowl of fruit" person than the outdated "mixing pot" one.

[EFerrari]

85. English isn't my first language either.

:)

[Vehl]

87. :)

[wickerwoman]

78. Like I said,

I have total respect for people who choose not to change their names and I always make the effort to learn someone's real name and how to pronounce it.

I also have respect for people who don't want to listen to their name being butchered by well-meaning but clueless foreigners who have never tried to pronounce a Chinese "zh" or "q" in their lives. It's a lot easier to ask someone to call you "Jane" than to have to spell "Zhu Qinyi" fifty thousand times and keep reminding them that "Zhu" is your family name and have to keep repeating it until said foreigner can tell the difference between "zh" "z" and "j" in Chinese.

Plus some names in one language are absurd or offensive in another. If my Chinese name was "Nazi" (which is a real and not totally unusual Chinese name) I would consider picking a more attractive one to use in foreign business transactions. "Nick" in Arabic means "asshole". If that were your name and you routinely did business in the Middle East, would you choose another name or would you deal with endless giggling and guffawing every time you introduced yourself? If my name meant "shit" in Chinese, I would ask people to call me something else. And I don't think it would make me a sellout or ashamed of my heritage.

[Vehl]

86. of course

people with such names as the ones you listed above would need other names..obviously. i was talking in general though as i had a lot of east Asian classmates who had perfectly normal east Asian names but were constantly feeling embarrassed about even voicing it. In many cases they would simply say "call me Kim/etc/ etc". and i would have to ask for their "real name" maybe more than once before they would even tell it. and in most cases their names did not have any wired/funny meaning in english so i would assume the only reason they did not volunteer their real name is cos they are embarrassed to stand out. i could tell that they really appreciated the fact that i called them by their real names and practiced till i got the pronunciation right.

btw your post reminded me of the English 2A professor i had. he insisted that every student use his/her real name unless they "really" want to use a different one. because he repeatedly stressed in class that having a foreign name, however hard it maybe to pronounce is not a bad thing; a lot of students who went with nicknames in other classes used their real names in his class.

[wickerwoman]

89. Thanks!

Another thing is that in some cultures it's not at all uncommon for people to have several different names for different contexts. Traditionally Chinese people might have a family nickname, like Meimei, a nickname that they use with coworkers and neighbors, like Lao Gao, a name that they use as government officials or in business, and a name that they use on their artistic works and calligraphy. So it's much less of a big deal for Chinese people to have an English name that's clearly for use in business contexts because they already have several Chinese names (and may have different names from their minority group plus their Mandarin name).

Parents spend as much time and effort choosing meaningful and attractive English names for their kids as they do choosing their Chinese name. I was called in to consult in a number of cases and there was no talking these parents out of picking an English name for their newborn. They took it as axiomatic that their child would need a name he or she could use with foreigners and which would be easy to understand, recognize and find attractive.

I spent a lot of time and consulted a lot of native speakers before picking my Chinese name "Xiao Mai" which means "little grain of wheat". It kind of annoys me when people put no thought into picking the name... just grab the first one on the list of common baby names. Giving yourself a new name is a great chance to show respect for your new second culture and to feel that you have really been accepted. You don't have to give up your first culture or be ashamed of it to embrace a second one.

In any case, I think the most important thing is that if someone asks you to call them something that you respect it and not make assumptions about someone else's level of comfort with their ethnicity(s).

[Luminous Animal]

22. His name is Bobby. That is what he calls himself.

Fuck you and your appeal to bigots.

[Skittles]

94. it's a person's personal preference what they want to be called

end of story

[SmileyRose]

2. I like to be called Princess Amanda

I just decided one day to stop going by Roseanne or Rose and picked "Princess Amanda" out of thin air.


On a genuinely serious note. What a crying ass shame we've made immigrants to this country feel like they have to change their names to be accepted. I realize there is a long history of this, and I'll be one of the gladest when no one who comes here feels like they have to "americanize" their names.

[Luminous Animal]

6. Yeah? It's a crying shame that Republicans

felt that they could play to people's fears by emphasizing Obama's middle name.

It is a tragedy when Democrats do the same.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Sure Princess Amanda, and that is exactly what is going on

but I will not change him at this point

[remedy1]

5. Actually, it's Jindal. Not Jhindhal.

Are you playing a game?

[Luminous Animal]

9. Maybe the same kind of game that you are playing. (n/t)

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. No, spelling error on my part, will correct it momentarily

[Hanse]

10. He's properly addressed as Dumbfuck McShitforbrains.

If he wants to be treated with respect he shouldn't behave like such a worthless fuck.

[eleny]

15. Well, that settles the issue for me

[Luminous Animal]

24. Actually, he is a very intelligent human being...

And given that, it would probably be best to attack his ideas rather than calling him names. It makes you look like an idiot.

[thewiseguy]

28. Since when believing in Exorcism is considered intelligent?

Maybe that is considered intelligent wherever you come from. :wtf:

[Luminous Animal]

I think believing in god is ridiculous...

but hey! A lot of intelligent people disagree with me.

[Hanse]

38. Do you think intelligent people hold exorcisms?

Do you think intelligent people ignore the difference between believing in religion, and holding exorcisms?

[Luminous Animal]

46. I don't think that intelligent people could believe in god.

But they do. I live, work, love, and hang out with them every day. In my eyes, their is only a hairs breadth of difference between believing in god and believing in exorcisms.

[Hanse]

32. I am attacking him for his ideas.

I have trouble imagining people stupider than McShitforbrains, except for maybe people who respect his intelligence.

[Luminous Animal]

49. No you are not.

And I am smarter than you so I know the difference between calling him names and attacking his ideology. My cat agrees with me.

[Hanse]

55. "I am smarter than you "

I haven't seen you demonstrate any evidence of that, between your defense of Jindal, Creationists, and so on.

[Luminous Animal]

66. I am smarter than you because

I will fight politics on a political playing field. Resorting to calling names is a failed Republican strategy.

[Hanse]

76. Isn't "I'm smarter than you are" a bit of a failed playground strategy?

[Waiting For Everyman]

72. Yes, I was overcome by his intellect tonight.

The sheer brilliance was too much for mere mortals.

:rofl:

[Roadless]

93. eh way too politically correct

nm

[devilgrrl]

17. Marcia Marcia Marcia

:silly:

[ConsAreLiars]

26. He's just conforming to the long established Republican tradition of lying about everything

they talk about. He's trying to one-up the rest of the contenders by showing he is even capable of lying about his own name and getting a pass from the masses and even gullible Dems. I think pointing out the actual facts is always helpful, even when they don't like it and start squealing.

(edit to fix typo)

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. No, he is an immigrant

you run on that name in the depths of Louisiana, go ahead, try it.

Take a history book on Ellis Island and realize this is what most likely is going on

I don't know for sure, and this is a non issue. Now the speech... boy the speech is so meaty...

[Hanse]

34. So you admit he's trying to appease racists.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Like so many generations of immigrants who choose to use English

names to fit better

And your point is?

Damn it, pick a fucking history book?

Perhaps as an IMMIGRANT MYSELF I get it

I didn't have to choose an English name since mine was close enough for guv'ment work... but I get it.

There are regions of the country where immigrants can keep using their names, no problemo, but there are regions where even today, not advisable

[Hanse]

50. How many immigrants seek to represent those racists?

Oh, btw. Despite his "hard to spell" six letter phonetic name, Jindal's a natural born citizen. Not an immigrant.

That's why some particularly stupid people want him to run for president.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. He is second generation, the son of immigrants

pick up a history book or two... may help

[remedy1]

51. "Bobby" is not an immigrant, as far as we know...

He was allegedly born in Louisiana, (although he hasn't produced his birth certificate yet.)

His name is not "Bobby" that is a nickname.

This whole Piyush = racist is ridiculous. If he wants to go by "Bobby", fine... but using his given name is fine too.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. He's the SON OF IMMIGRANTS and I will attack him on issues

not made up bullshit by people on line that simply refuse to see how they look like republicans

HMMM I wonder...

[remedy1]

68. "Made up bullshit?"

What is made up?

(Other than his name?)

I have a very good friend who was born and raised in Mumbai. He lives in the US and uses his given name. What's the big deal?

When I call him by name am I a racist?

This is a stupendously silly discussion...

[nadinbrzezinski]

75. Kid, you are either new to politics or you don't get it, so let me splain it this to you

you are making an issue of something that gives others the same kind of WEDGE ISSUE they love to use against us

Whether you intend this in a racist way or not matters little

You want to give the republicans, who spent six months using HUSEIN to scare the people the weapon of look them dems are damn racists?

It is called framing... use the google, learn something while you are at it

And the name is a low hanging fruit, perhaps, but one that should stay in the branch. It is a non-issue. He wants to call himself bobby, I ain't taking that bait.

Now go ahead and call him on ISSUES, like the Feds are bad, we saw that during Katrina, red tape and all... never mind the Republicans RAN the whole response, if you can call it that.

Now I went, bobby how stupid can you be? That was a REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED FEMA!

[remedy1]

81. First of all...

I'm not a "kid". Don't patronize me, nor think you have to "splain" anything.

Hussein is Barack Obama's name. I know full well what the assholes were doing with it, and Obama refused to knuckle under to their bullshit, nor did he repudiate his given name.

Using Jindal's given name means nothing other than using his given name. The hue and cry around here regarding it is hilarious considering the insults hurled everyday at various rethug asshats...

Get it, honey?

[nadinbrzezinski]

83. Yes honey, you want to give them things that they can use

framing, google it up CHILD

[Hanse]

82. So, you're arguing that what gets said on DU matters?

"You want to give the republicans, who spent six months using HUSEIN to scare the people the weapon of look them dems are damn racists?"

Dumb hillbilly racists were "scared" of Hussein because they figured it meant he was some sort of terrorist Iraqi dictator.

1. People who address Jindal by his first name are not trying to associate any negative connotations to the name.

2. There are no famous evil dictators named "Piyush."

3. These same dumb racists are Jindal's key constituents.

"It is called framing... use the google, learn something while you are at it"

So you're saying you're just a poseur.

[nadinbrzezinski]

84. that would be you, the poseur part

and yes, what is said in liberal blogs, that includes DU... at times matters

Or are you missing CNN's spots on the web, for example?

They have highlighted posts from here, Koss and of course also the folks at Free Republic

In fact, it matters more and more, or are you missing the entry of web sites (like oh Twitter) to the news?

Or perhaps you believe the intertubes don't matter, like they didn't oh seven or eight years ago.

[Luminous Animal]

42. No. Trying to survive in a racist world.

In Louisiana for fucks sake!

Thanks for nothing for spreading bigotry.

[Hanse]

67. Trying to survive in a racist world? He's endorsing a racist world.

He's a republican.

[ConsAreLiars]

43. No. he is not an immigrant.

He was born in Baton Rouge. If his speech tonight led you to believe he was an immigrant, then that either proves he is better at deceiving otherwise sensible Dems or that you are far more easily deceived than you might suspect.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. He's the son of immigrants, he made that clear as well

that said, as the kid of immigrants, the need to fit in, forget the home tongue and even abandon some of the home culture is part for the course, going back many generations of immigrants

Now if the pattern holds true for the family, his kids will want to learn their grand parents tongue, and even go visit the home country

Hell, they may even grow up to be Democrats

:-)

That is the part of the pattern that has not held true. Most immigrants and their kids are dems

[specimenfred1984]

57. yeah, I tried to fit into my neighborhood too so I called myself...

Jennifer, Michelle, Lisa, Kimberly, Amy, Michael, James, David, John. It didn't work, I still looked like a Bobby!

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. So will call you specimefred1984

your handle

Name is not the issue, is his ideology

Get it?

[specimenfred1984]

61. Nope, still don't git nuthin

I'm frum the South, we just call everybody Bobby.

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Ok bobby... I'm not one to question that

bobby

[ConsAreLiars]

73. I hope you understand that the "what happened at Ellis Island" excuse for his name-shame or your

own experiences are simply irrelevant to his situation. I think a closer comparison would be to the self-denial and irrational shame that led more than a few closeted gays to join in homophobic organizations like the Republican Party. What he has done is very similar what that group has done, although maybe not quite as utterly soul-destroying. It reflects a pathological character weakness and defect. Obama overcame that weakness in college. Jindal, never.

(edit: Bad keyboard, Bad!)

[nadinbrzezinski]

77. And you are still making this non-issue an issue

[ConsAreLiars]

88. Well, I think the fact that he is a pathological and chronic liar, and has been throughout his whole

life is not a non-issue. I agree that lying about his name is the least of them, but it does say something about his character and experience when it comes to the practice of lying, denying his identity and trying to pass to gain some advantage.

(edit typo)

[nadinbrzezinski]

96. Get a frigging clue, he started using the name at the age of four

you don't know people who do that?

I do.

A cousin of mine, does not like the name she was given by mom, well all in the family call her by her chosen name, excpet my mother who gets special dispensantion I guess since she helped change her diapers at one point

Doesn't mean she is lying in her professional career, or in her psrsonal relationships

Buy a clue on the way out

This is a non-issue

Attack the man on issues and lord knows there enough to do that with

[pampango]

91. Much support for your efforts here, nadinbrzezinski.

Obama went by "Barry" for much of his life. Personally I am glad that he went back to "Barack" as an adult and for his political career, but if he was still "Barry", I would accept that as his choice and I'd still vote for him.

I remember some rednecks said during the campaign that they just couldn't vote for a president named "Barack Obama". It just didn't have a "presidential" sound to it. (Left unspoken was that they wouldn't vote for a Black.)

When I lived overseas, people had a hard time with my name because it was strange to them. I didn't change it, but if I had, it would have been my decision and none of their business. I would not have wanted anyone to tell me whether I should have changed it or kept it.

For us to tell Jindal what first name he should use is just narrow-minded. I learned quickly as a teacher that each person has the right to decide whether they want to go by their formal name, a middle name, or a nickname. And if they pronounce their name in an "unusual" way, it is still the "right" way to pronounce their name.

Let's go after Jindal for his policies and statements like we would any other repub politician and leave his name alone.

[nadinbrzezinski]

97. On barack;s name I had fun with a local fundy

it is so unchristian

You mean the meaning is baruch, which is blessed, that is unchristian

Jaws flapping

[Vehl]

37. "fitting in"

Bobby jindal must have really wanted to "fit in". one sees this type of behavior in certain second generation kids.i might be wrong about this; but i think his religious conversion and namechange have everything to do with this lack of confidence in ones own background

[yorgatron]

44. you can call him whatever you like

I call him "asshat"

[vanderBeth]

48. I agree with you

As someone who who doesn't use their given name, it's just petty.

[Waiting For Everyman]

69. No, you're wrong. It's "the D team".

[DainBramaged]

90. It's Booby Jizzdoll and don't you forget it

:rofl:

[opihimoimoi]

92. LOL......SlumDog Republican

[Marrah_G]

95. Makes us no better then those still using Obama's middle name.

It's shining a spotlight on his "diffrentness". It is wrong and we as a group, should know better. We need to stop sinking to their level and walk the walk not just talk the talk.