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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:32 PM
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A Movement Permeated by Fear and Driven by Greed
The movement that I refer to in the title of this post is the so-called Conservative Movement in the United States. But “conservative” is a misnomer. This movement is not really conservative at all. It would much better be described as the Fear-Greed Movement.

To call this movement conservative is to stand logic on its head. That is precisely the modus operandi of this movement – call everything by its opposite, in order to disguise their true intentions. They make a law designed to give corporate polluters free reign, and they call it the “Clear skies Act”. They invade and destroy a country, kill 5% of its people, and torture large numbers of them, all in the interest of bringing “democracy and freedom” to that country. And they call their efforts to prevent the American people from bringing lawsuits against corporations that screw them “tort reform”.

No, this movement is not conservative at all, in any traditional sense of the term. I am conservative in many respects. I have always preferred saving my money to spending it on things that I don’t need. I am careful to limit my car driving miles because I’m worried about polluting our planet. I believe in the rule of law, as did the framers of our Constitution – and therefore I believe that when our leaders flagrantly violate our laws they should be punished for it. And I believe that diplomacy should always be pursued aggressively in order to avoid war, rather than resorting to war as the primary means of solving our problems. All of these are conservative principles in the true sense of the word. Yet, in large part because I believe in these things, in today’s world I am considered very much the polar opposite of a conservative. Such is the Orwellian framework built by today’s so-called “Conservative” Movement.

Unfortunately, to the extent that this movement has influenced the attitudes and actions of our country – and it has done so to a very large extent – we have become a country permeated with fear and driven by greed.

The national elections of 2006 and 2008, as well as public opinion polls on a variety of subjects, show that the influence of the Conservative Movement on the American people is beginning to wane. But we should not lose sight of the fact that it is far from gone, and may very well make a resurgence. Its attitudes still influence large numbers of Americans, and far too many of its policies are still in place. The Conservative Movement is still pervasive in the United States, and we have a very long way to go to get back on the right track. A crucial first step in doing that is recognizing the Conservative Movement for what it really is, and what it has done to our country.


PERMEATED BY FEAR

There is voluminous evidence that this movement is permeated by fear and that this fear has driven much of U.S. policy: Obscene amounts of military spending; the highest incarceration rate in the world; discrimination against vulnerable minorities; inability to admit when they are wrong; and the spread of a phenomenon best described as “inverted quarantine”. Let’s consider some of this.


Obscene amounts of military spending

According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies, the U.S. spent $711 on its military in 2008, which amounted to nearly half of the military spending in the world:



When military spending is examined in more detail, it turns out that it is really much greater than this, equaling more than the remainder of our national budget. Instead of the 20% of our national budget that we are commonly told military spending comprises, it comes to 54% when we add in such things as military spending outside of the Department of Defense, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and payment on the military portion of our national debt. And that doesn’t even include the “foreign aid” that we provide to other countries, which largely consists of military assistance.

Why on earth does one nation that comprises 5% of the world’s population need to spend as much or more on its military than the rest of the world combined, and more than it spends on everything else combined? What do we have to be so fearful about? If conservatives want to claim that the United States is “the greatest force for good in the world”, then why can’t they work with the other nations of the world to promote an international system of law and order, rather than drive our own country bankrupt in an attempt to attain an invulnerable military machine?

Americans tolerate and even embrace this situation only because they have been conditioned to so fear the rest of the world that they think obscene amounts of military spending is the only way to defend ourselves. Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) explains the foolhardiness of this course of action:

I am working with a variety of thoughtful analysts to show how we can make very substantial cuts in the military budget without in any way diminishing the security we need… (Our) well-being is far more endangered by a proposal for substantial reductions in Medicare, Social Security or other important domestic areas than it would be by canceling weapons systems that have no justification from any threat we are likely to face… So those… who talk about the need for fiscal responsibility should be challenged to begin with the area where our spending has been the most irresponsible… our military budget. Both parties have for too long indulged the implicit notion that military spending is somehow irrelevant to reducing the deficit and have resisted applying to military spending the standards of efficiency that are applied to other programs. If we do not reduce the military budget, either we accustom ourselves to unending and increasing budget deficits, or we do severe harm to our ability to improve the quality of our lives through sensible public policy.

Chalmers Johnson, in “The Sorrows of Empire”, explains the ultra-enthusiastic desire to lead other people into war as the Chicken Hawk effect:

They often feel the need to display a warrior’s culture, which they take to mean iron-fisted ruthlessness, since they are innocent of genuine combat. This effect was particularly marked in the second Iraq War of 2003, when many ideologically committed civilians staffing the Department of Defense, without the experience of military service, no less of warfare, dictated strategies, force levels, and war aims to the generals and admirals. Older, experienced senior officers denigrated them as “chicken hawks”.


Obscene incarceration rates

Just as we lead the world by far in military spending, so do we lead the world by far in incarceration rates. A report for 2005 showed an incarceration rate in the United States of 737 per 100,000 U.S. residents. That means that about 1% of all adults in our country were incarcerated at that time. Russia placed second in incarceration rate at 611 per 100,000. Incarceration rates per 100,000 for other industrialized democratic countries were far less than for the United States, including Australia (126), Canada (107), England/Wales (148), France (85) and Japan (62).

In June 1971, President Nixon called for a “War on drugs”. Then, beginning in 1973, the incarceration rate began a progressive increase, from 140 in 1972 to 742 in 2005, with an increase in the rate every single year.

How can conservatives claim the United States to be a beacon of freedom and democracy when it exhibits such obscene incarceration rates? Is our nation composed of such dangerous people that we really need such high incarceration rates to protect us? Or is this generated solely by fear?

Two clues to the answer to this question (if it isn’t already obvious) come from an examination of role of drug possession offenses, and the racial composition of our prisoners.

This article indicates that from 1980 to 2000, while our population increased by only 21.5%, drug-related incarceration increased by 988%. During that time period, the percent of our state prisoners who were incarcerated for drug offenses rose from 6.5% to 20.9%.

I emphasize incarceration for drug offenses because these are generally victimless crimes, and therefore there is a great deal of arbitrariness with regard to whom the laws are applied. In 1998, 36% of all drug offense incarcerations were for mere possession, rather than for sale or manufacture. In 2003 there were over 750,000 marijuana arrests. More than 90% of these were for mere possession of marijuana – a “crime” for which there were more arrests than all violent crimes combined.

The racial composition of incarceration for drug crimes demonstrates the racial bias of our drug laws and enforcement. Although white and black youth use and sell drugs at approximately the same rate, black and Latino youths are arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned for drug offenses at much higher rates than are whites. The end result of this racial bias is that in 2007 blacks were incarcerated at a rate of about six times that of whites, and one out of every 20 black men over the age of 18 in the United States were incarcerated.


Fear of homosexuals

The propensity of conservatives to fear homosexuals was most recently demonstrated by the passage of Proposition 8 in California, which attempted to outlaw same-sex marriage in that state.

In order to pass Proposition 8, the conservative elite mounted a massive propaganda campaign to convince people that failure to pass it would mean the destruction of marriage as an institution. Among other types of disinformation, the Proposition 8 proponents claimed that if the measure failed, churches would be forced to perform gay marriage under threat of being disallowed to perform any marriages at all if they refused.

It is difficult to imagine how people could really believe that the legalization of gay marriage would pose a threat to marriage as an institution. Yet, that is what the Conservative Movement has led many Americans to believe, and that is a major reason why homosexuals in our country today lack many of the rights that other Americans have.


Fear of admitting wrong

Our country, in the service of fear and greed, has done many terrible things in its history. I discussed these in a recent post, in which I note numerous incidents of U.S. overthrow of sovereign governments, imperialism and genocide.

Yet, a major characteristic of the Conservative Movement our country is the insistence that we never admit to doing anything wrong. They imply that to do so is traitorous. A good example that I have mentioned many times is when Senator Durbin received a barrage of indignation and outrage from conservatives because he had the temerity to expose on the floor of the U.S. Senate the torture of our detainees by our government.

This is just plain wrong. We can expect that our country will continue doing these things until it admits its wrongdoings of the past. I believe that a good definition of moral courage is the capacity to state things as they are rather than as you’d like them to be, even when it means admitting your own or your country’s past moral failings. This is something which today’s Conservative Movement has no stomach for whatsoever.

We have just experienced eight years of the most criminal presidential administration in our history. Recent polls show that most Americans are willing to face up to this, either through criminal prosecutions (38%) or an independent panel (24%). In all likelihood, the use of an independent panel whose findings were publicized would prepare the ground for criminal prosecutions by spreading even more outrage throughout our country.

Yet, thus far there has been no serious talk by our government of criminal prosecutions of the Bush administration. It seems to me that the only thing holding them back is fear of the response by the Conservative Movement – which undoubtedly would be ugly.


Inverted quarantine

Andrew Szasz, in his book, “Shopping our Way to Safety – How we Changed from Protecting the Environment to Protecting Ourselves”, discusses the concept of “inverted quarantine”, which fearful people use to protect themselves against the unknown masses of other people. He describes the history of inverted quarantine:

It was, first, a way of dealing with social threat… One can trace the practice back… to the earliest fixed human settlements where walls were put up around the perimeter to control who entered… and to the rise of significant social inequalities, which required ways to separate ruling elites from everyone else…

In the industrial cities of the 19th Century, wealthy elites relied on inverted quarantine methods to put distance between themselves and masses of urban poor and working people. It is telling that at the time the poor, the homeless, the unkempt, the desperate, and the unruly were referred to as “the dangerous classes”…

Szasz then takes us up to the present time and explains why this is not a good thing:

Millions living in gated communities, tens of millions living in exurbia, tens of millions drinking bottled water… it is a phenomenon that is likely to have consequences…People who engage in these kinds of behaviors… intend only to take care of themselves and their loved ones. They do not mean to have some kind of larger impact on the world.

This is all reflected in the Conservative Movement’s idea of “freedom”. Freedom to them means the freedom of corporations that accept government subsidies and other help to pollute our air and water at their will. It means, in short, the freedom of the wealthy and the powerful to do whatever they want, regardless of the consequences to other people.


DRIVEN BY GREED

In a post from 2007 I posited 5 pillars of George Bush’s Republican Party: Economic Royalists; militarists; propagandists/destroyers of our First Amendment rights; crooks; and, the gullible. To relate that post to this one, it might be worth while to condense those five groups into two: The gullible are those who are permeated with fear. The other four categories are the leaders of the Conservative Movement. Their motivations are driven by greed, and they use fear to drive the gullible into submission and to go out and vote for them and their causes.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt explained this group at his 1936 Democratic Convention speech:

Out of this modern civilization economic royalists carved new dynasties. New kingdoms were built upon concentration of control over material things. Through new uses of corporations, banks and securities, new machinery of industry and agriculture, of labor and capital … the whole structure of modern life was impressed into this royal service…

The privileged princes of these new economic dynasties, thirsting for power, reached out for control over Government itself. They created a new despotism and wrapped it in the robes of legal sanction. In its service new mercenaries sought to regiment the people, their labor, and their property. And as a result the average man once more confronts the problem that faced the Minute Man…

And Al Gore, in his book, “The Assault on Reason”, described the process whereby the conservative leaders provide themselves cover and manipulate the masses in the cause of their greed-driven movement:

While the economic royalists provide the financial support for (the Republican) coalition, a group of ultraconservative religious leaders (who actually are primarily politicians) provide manpower and voter turnout. They serve a special purpose with their constant efforts to cloak the right wing faction’s political agenda in religious camouflage. Many of them also have their own media outlets and are part of the propagandist wing of the coalition…

Let’s consider some of their strategy and tactics:


Demonizing “Big Government”

The Conservative Movement finally began to recover from the astounding success of FDR’s New Deal, followed by the “Greatest sustained economic boom in U.S history”, in 1980, with the election of Ronald Reagan. The predominant characteristic of the “Reagan Revolution” was the demonizing of “Big Government”.

While this demonizing of “Big Government” was (and is) cloaked in ideological terms, in actuality it is primarily a big power play in the unending class warfare of the wealthy against everyone else.

It’s all really very simple. The elite leaders of the Conservative Movement (whom FDR referred to as “Economic Royalists”) hate more than anything when the American people arrange their government to provide the kind of benefits to themselves (the American people) that only government can provide. In other words, they hate it when government, recognizing their privileged position and the numerous advantages that they have derived from government action, regulates them to protect the American people against them, and taxes them to provide funds for needed government programs.

All of this, of course, cuts into their massive profits and wealth. Therefore, as the Reagan Revolution successfully propagandized the American people into believing that government is inherently their enemy, the New Deal was partially dismantled, and our country experienced nearly three decades of skyrocketing income inequality and wealth gap, culminating in perhaps the greatest income inequality we have ever experienced. Needles to say, the wealth created in the process has not even begun to “trickle down” to ordinary Americans, as was promised by the Reagan Revolutionaries.

That brings us to Bobby Jindal’s highly disingenuous speech of February 24, in response to President Obama’s speech on his stimulus package. Jindal’s attacks on so-called “Big Government” were nothing but pure Conservative Movement gobbledygook. He actually blamed “Big Government” for the disaster caused by Hurricane Katrina.

Did he forget that when the catastrophe occurred, the leader of the anti-Big Government Conservative Movement was “leading” our country? Did he forget that that “leader”, despite being warned about the consequences, had recently slashed government funding to rebuild the levees, which would have easily prevented the catastrophe? Did he forget that that “leader”, despite repeated warnings of what was happening, delayed federal emergency response by several days, as people died by the hundreds for want of government assistance? All of that information can be found in Dennis Kucinich’s 31st Article of Impeachment against George W. Bush.

No, I doubt that Bobby Jindal forgot all that. You just can’t judge all government based on the actions of the most negligent and incompetent government in U.S. history. If you do, you’re an idiot. If you know better, and yet pretend that negligent government is the same as all government, then you’re extremely disingenuous. Take your pick.


Profiteering

With “Big Government” out of the way, the profiteers are free to go to work. Actually, it is worse than that. During the Bush administration, government repeatedly worked hand-in-glove with their friends in the private sector to ensure immense profits for their friends. This is called fascism. One of many examples of this is the $ 8 billion that mysteriously “disappeared” under the watchful supervision of Dick Cheney’s good friend, Halliburton.

In New Orleans
As a matter of fact, cronyism was in abundant evidence during the Bush administration’s response to Katrina as well. As with the Bush inflicted destruction of Iraq, the Bush inflicted destruction of New Orleans proved to be a bonanza of profit for its friends, while pretended government efforts at reconstruction went for naught. Instead of sending help, the Bush administration sent a privatized army of military police to keep order. Jeremy Scahill, in his book “Blackwater – The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army”, describes some of the consequences of that:

The company (Blackwater USA) beat the federal government and most aid organizations to the scene as 150 heavily armed Blackwater troops dressed in full battle gear spread out into the chaos of New Orleans… All of them were heavily armed…. A possibly deadly incident involving hired guns underscored the dangers of private forces policing American streets… The security guard said their convoy came under fire from “black gangbangers”… The guard said he and his men were armed with AR-15s and Glocks and that they unleashed a barrage of bullets in the general direction of the alleged shooters on the overpass. “After that, all I heard was moaning and screaming, and the shooting stopped.”

No charges were ever brought against Blackwater for the civilian deaths in Iraq or in New Orleans.

The Military-Industrial-Congressional-Complex (MICC)
I noted in the beginning of this post that the American people have for a long time been driven by fear to support budget breaking, unnecessary, and counter-productive increases in “defense” spending. What drives this humongous waste and destruction? President Eisenhower warned us in his farewell address of January 1961 about this emerging problem:

We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions… We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations. This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience… We must not fail to comprehend its grave implications… In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

But Eisenhower didn’t provide either the first or the most urgent warning on this topic. In 1935, Major General Smedley Butler, the most decorated marine in U.S. history, warned the American people of the dangers of war profiteering, while acknowledging his role in it:

I spent thirty-three years and four months in active service… and during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession… my mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups…

I helped in the raping of half-a-dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. (gives a list of examples in which he participated)…During those years, I was rewarded with honors, medals, and promotion…

Unfortunately, this is an area in which the Conservative Movement has ingrained its attitudes into our nation’s consciousness, causing us to forget or to not take seriously enough the warnings of men like Butler and Eisenhower.

The Prison-Industrial Complex
As with our military, profiteers abound in the prison industry as well. And as with our military, those profiteers have plenty of money to lobbyists to advance their cause. Tara Herivel and Paul Wright assiduously document this process in their book, “Prison Profiteers – Who Makes Money from Mass Incarceration”. From the book jacket:

Beginning with the owners of private prison companies and extending through a whole range of esoteric industries… to the U.S. military (which relies on prison labor) and the politicians, lawyers, and bankers who structure deals to build new prisons, “Prison Profiteers” introduces us to a motley group of perversely motivated interests and shows us how they both profit from and perpetrate mass incarceration.

It turns out that locking up 2.3 million people isn’t cheap… “Prison Profiteers” traces the flow of capital from public to private hands, reveals how monies designated for the public good end up in the pockets of enterprises dedicated to keeping prison cells filled, and challenges us to see incarceration through completely different eyes.

And it’s not just the prison industry itself that benefits from mass incarceration and its associated “War on Drugs”. The pharmaceutical industry benefits immensely from making cheap drugs with known medicinal benefits like marijuana illegal. The alcohol industry benefits greatly from having marijuana being illegal – for reasons that are too obvious to state. And perhaps most important of all is the danger that numerous non-drug uses of the marijuana (hemp) plant pose to the profits of many American industries. These interests pay vast amounts of money to lobbyists to see that marijuana remains illegal and incarceration rates remain high.


CONCLUSION

The fear that permeates the Conservative Movement and the greed that drives it are of course not benign phenomena. The Conservative Movement has in many respects insinuated their attitudes into our nation – not to the extent that they would like, but more than enough to do great harm to the rest of us.

For example, the fear that engenders such outrages as the war racket is to a large extent self-sustainable, by virtue of the following formula:

Fear => Violence => Resentment => Blowback => More fear => Etc.

This formula can be related to the Iraq War. We invaded that country based on the fear generated by the evidence that the Bush administration manufactured. We also routinely tortured them, justifying that by the same fear. That caused great resentment in the Muslim world, which fueled the Iraq insurgency and produced thousands of recruits for al Qaeda. That in turn produced more fear and keeps the military machine right on rolling.

After 36 long years of the Reagan Revolution (with some respite during the Clinton years), in which income inequality and the national debt ballooned to record levels, the American people began voting the representatives of the Conservative Movement out of office in 2006, and even more so in 2008.

But we still have the Military Industrial Complex and many of the attitudes that foster it. The same thing applies to the Prison Industrial Complex. And we are still stuck with so many other attitudes and policies from the Conservative Movement.

To put an end to the greed and fear generated excesses of the Conservative Movement, we first need to recognize it for what it is. Then we need to take the money out of politics, so that our elected representatives will be subservient to the will of the American people rather than to the corporate interests that bankroll their campaigns. And then we need to demand that our government divorce itself from the greed and fear generated attitudes of the Conservative Movement.
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:45 PM
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1. K/R
The modern conservative is one of the greatest threat we have.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:00 PM
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2. Would I be correct in proffering that perhaps no man has ever been more hated than FDR was hated
Edited on Fri Feb-27-09 11:02 PM by indepat
by the Economic Royalists who surely have always numbered among their ranks some of the vilest human beings ever to walk on the face of this earth? But there I go waxing poetic again. PS Bravo. :D

Edited to remove superflous word.










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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 02:54 AM
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9. That could be
FDR apparently didn't mind much though. Here's a damn good quote from him:

Business and financial monopoly… class antagonism… war profiteering We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me – and I welcome their hatred.

http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/od2ndst.html

He seemed to take pride in their hatred. Good for him!
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:52 PM
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27. Wrong.............
I hate Lush Rimbaugh far more than anyone could have hated FDR!
I think HE is the antichrist! He's all over CNN tonight with his vile evil, pure evil, speech.
Great Saturday night !
Oh the State of the Black Union on cspan much better!
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:02 PM
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49. Was afraid my "vilest" moniker might have been a bit over the top so it's reassuring
to get ratification the term "vile" fits some of these loathsome cretins. :D
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:07 PM
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3. K & R
The upside is even my Republican, up until recently-Rush-listening brother isn't defending them anymore.
I used to consider him one of their core 23%.

He's still fearful and greedy though, he just doesn't trust his party to protect his interests anymore. I know I know, they never did, but finally after 29 years he gets that!

Excellent post, as usual TFC.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:41 AM
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13. Thank you glitch -- That's interesting about your brother
Once they start to lose their core 23%, their days may be limited. It will be real interesting to see what happens then. Maybe they will be replaced by a party to the left of the Democratic Party!

Maybe the GOP senses what's going on. But instead of changing for the better, they're just acting desperate -- as manifested in Jindal's sorry speech.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:05 AM
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14. Yeah, I was shocked at his recent reversals. If even he gets it they are in trouble.
Although to be honest he does lie so I don't know if he truly gets it or just realizes that he looks ridiculous defending them and doesn't want to go there anymore. Justification fatigue.

Either way, if the Republicans don't pull up I think they will crash very soon. If they do they'll have to stage a spectacular comeback for anyone to believe any voting results they're able to fabricate.

Interesting times.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:57 PM
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4. Thanks for another great post.
Recommending.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:05 AM
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16. Thank you
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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:59 PM
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5. You nailed it friend. That is ALL conservatism is.
And I don't say this lightly, and after MANY years of thought (I voted for Goldwater). We MUST destroy conservatism forever.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:14 PM
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17. That's quite a distance to travel
From Goldwater to your current position.

It's good to hear about someone with a mind open to change. I try to do the same.
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:59 PM
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6. Spot on! K&R... n/t
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:11 AM
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7. Sounds about right to me.
:thumbsup:

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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:21 AM
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8. A very well done summary. I suggest it could also be
that greed is what permeates the conservative movement and fear is the engine they use to obtain and retain power.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:23 PM
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18. I don't think we see things very much differently in that respect
I agree that greed permeates the movement too. But I see the greed part as coming mostly from the elites at the top. The greed is what motivates them to get and maintain power, wealth, and control. To those ends they spread fear among their followers, in order to keep them in line, get their votes, etc.
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No.23 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:02 AM
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10. May we have the balls to do what this conservative did...
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 03:06 AM by No.23
when he realized that his "Party had left him."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-14/sorry-dad-i-was-fired/

If we ever come to the same realization about our Party.

Party loyalty only has meaning... if your Party is loyal to you.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:39 PM
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24. Definitely
Parties change with time. The Party of Lincoln was worthy of the highest admiration. But is descended into the depths of hell since then, disgracing itself into virtual extinction (I hope). We have no obligation to be loyal to a Party, except to the extent that it earns our loyalty.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:43 AM
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11. Just So!
I don't know what to call this party, it has so many facets, all of them fractured.

All I know is it's toxic to everything America was founded for.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:02 PM
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26. Yes
I've sometimes puzzled over the question of why it is that virtually every Republican Congressperson (Lincoln Chafee being a notable exception before he got voted out) routinely takes positions that are agaisnt the interests of the American people. And yet they maintained power for so long. What kind of system facilitates something like that?
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Jambalaya Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:58 PM
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45. The Devil you know
What kind of system facilitates positions against the interests of the American people?

How about systematically buying up the media outlets for the last quarter century? And we thought the airwaves belonged to the public,right?

Oh,and a little other thing called rigging the elections via electronic voting might have something to do with it,too,don't you think?
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:41 AM
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12. What conservative really means is one who aspires to
Conserve our our rights & liberties
Conserve our resources and environment
Conserve our constitution & rule of law
Conserve the value of our currency
Conserve the legacy of our children


The wackjobs who stole the word conservative, liberal, socialism, freedom and liberty are criminals to all that is decent and are best described by their words and actions as fascist bigoted bullies.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:10 AM
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15. Out Fucking Standing post
Appealing to the worst fears and lowest instincts is all they know. Oh, I forgot rigging elections.
They're running around waving their arms like bureaucrats trying to look busy. They really have nothing to offer, and most of us know it. It's the hangover from their latest attempt at imposing fascism. They have been exposed for failure. The lies are catching up to them. Their propaganda organs are still powerful but losing the audience daily.
The idea that tax cuts are necessary to wage war is so fucking off the hook. War profiteering is a crime and these people are criminals that have to be locked up for a long time. I prefer to see them horse whipped, but that's just me. I'm one of the many who had to fight a war to satisfy their greed and blood lust.
At least no Viet Cong climbed in anyone's bedroom window here in the United States on my watch.


Off topic: Does anyone know why Donald Rumsfeld has to take a bus?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:41 PM
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30. Thank you -- And looking forward to the day when they are made to account for their many crimes
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:30 PM
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19. Dead on correct assessment.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:31 PM
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20. Good job, Time For Change~
They use "conseratives" like they use all their Orwellian names.."Liberal media", "Clear Sky Initiatives", "Family Values", "War for Peace"..ect, ect, ect.

It is exactly Greed, Fear, and pathetic cowardice that motivates their endless Big Lie Machine..catapulted by the US corporatemediawhores.
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Jambalaya Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 12:15 AM
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46. Orwell's Ghost
The article below is an EXCELLENT,recent piece,right on time and right on target!

(The website,Global Research.ca is a treasure trove of MANY thought provoking pieces,on many subjects,btw.}

Orwellian Doublethink: "Nationalize the banks." "Free Markets."
The language of deception


by Prof. Michael Hudson


Global Research, February 23, 2009


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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 02:16 PM
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21. Excellent post
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 02:29 PM by ooglymoogly
Pugs are the most radical pile of malignant shit that ever plagued man; No avenue for theft from the taxpayer and the treasury is overlooked. They have been robbing this country BLIND since its inception;
They have tried and many instances succeeded in dragging "We the People" back into the dark ages while they themselves remain above the law wallowing in stolen wealth; They have been chipping at the greatness of this country for as long as this country has been called the United States. Their alter is not to any god but to usurious banking and culminating, since the 30's, into the high alter for these thugs, the Privately owned Federal Reserve; Destroying people, peoples, economies, and countries at will with the weapons of interest rates, wars, famine and greed. They are the horsemen of the Apocalypse.
Who could have ever imagined a simpleton turnip truck could hold so many misguided followers; With such a treacherous platform to fall from; So many out and out crooks and murderous thugs; So many easily misguided idiots; All, All selling their souls for a truckload of glittering promises that never come true; Never, never realizing they have been and are being fleeced.

While sailing under many flags of many facades; At this time in the history of this country they call themselves Republicans; All hopelessly shallow, shape shifting at the drop of a crooked hat and calling themselves and their policies to steal everything in sight, whatever the voter wants to hear. They are all at once everything to all men and nothing to anyone but themselves.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 02:59 PM
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22. Talk about being through
You must be a pro.
this is a great post and naturally I will K&R it.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:19 PM
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42. Thank you -- I'm not really
But I wish I had more time to work on this kind of stuff.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:13 PM
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23. Orwellian they are! Indeed!
TfC--thank you AGAIN for another outstanding post.

I want to print this out so I can read it, underline, keep for reference, ponder, appreciate for excellent thinking, and for answers to my own outrage at their ---well, because they are so incomprehensible to me. Totally out of my world view.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:17 PM
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41. Thank you Blanche -- I'm glad it did some good
:)
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 05:41 PM
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25. Ghost of Eisenhower n/t
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:53 PM
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28. Right on. They say they aren't afraid as they fearfully stock up on ammo and buy gold. . . nt
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Jambalaya Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 12:22 AM
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47. The fear starts here


U.S. Army To Buy $6 Million Of Riot Equipment
The U.S. Army is to invest $6 million in riot equipment, a fact that has furthered fears that troops will be used inside the U.S. in order to quell any civil unrest resulting from the ongoing economic crisis.


Numerex Unveils Hybrid Tag Includes Active RFID, GPS, Satellite and Sensors
Numerex, an Atlanta-based provider of fixed and mobile machine-to-machine wireless solutions and network services, and RFID systems supplier Savi Technology have unveiled an intelligent hybrid tag that combines active RFID, satellite communications and Global Positioning System (GPS) technologies

Warning for the West as crisis spills onto streets
The slump that has swept through developed nations like the UK, the eurozone and the United States is hitting the world's emerging economies with a speed and ferocity that has shocked even the most pessimistic analysts.


Ray Guns From Raytheon in Yachting Magazine
What has Raytheon, the USA company that made radar equipment for yachts, got in common with sci-fi riot control?

(All above titles from Blacklisted News website.)
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 07:56 PM
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29. when sex energy winds up in the logical /numbers side of the brain
it is satisfied in terms of certitude and magnitude, according to a theory i can't remember the name of.

the need for certainty creates a need to avoid uncertainty. that reduces the threshold at which uncertainty becomes fear.

the numbers side is satisfied with more, bigger, faster, etc..... greed

how does sex energy get into the left/logical/numbers side of the brain?

well, the left side of the brain is connected to the right hand.

so we're screwed cause everyone does it. with the wrong hand.

sorry to lighten up a great post.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:49 PM
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31. K & R Excellent post TFC
So interesting how this "Conservative" Movement, first twisted reality by misnaming itself, and using words describing the exact opposite of it's actions. Also interesting how these actions that would be illegal for an individual to perform become legal for the group in power. There has to be a psychological reason this works in large groups, some kind of trick, but I can't put my finger on it.
This is why an educated populace is crucial to maintain a free society, for even a free press requires comprehension. America has to understand our own ideals, actual history and structure of government, cultural differences, and psychology. Not to mention recognizing a misuse of the english language!!
When the truth is told about the last administration, it may spur a national identity 'crisis' (catharsis). What is America in the 21st Century? We will have an opportunity for a new vision of ourselves. We can replace greed and fear with trust, awareness and cooperation.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:02 PM
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32. Thank you windoe -- Actually, what this group has done is not legal at all --
It just seems legal because nobody is prosecuting them for their crimes.

Regarding their use of words that describe the exact opposite of what they do, have you ever read "People of the Lie" by M. Scott Peck? It was one of the interesting books I've ever read. He's a psychiatrist. He equates "People of the Lie" with evil. They almost never tell the truth about anything, and when they do, it's only to throw someone else off the track.

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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:29 PM
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35. OMG I remember that book.
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 09:30 PM by windoe
Seems now to be prophetic in a way. I had that book in the 90s, nomatter what you call them, 'evil' or psychotic personality disorder, it is all the same. I was just thinking about this book recently, and wishing I could take another look at it. I remember him describing these psychotic people as being nearly untreatable.
Since then I have seen articles saying 18% of our population (US? World?) are sociopaths, and that they too often rise to power because of their lack of conscience, ruthlessness and others fear of them. Interesting this number was Bush's approximate approval rating near the end. If we could only screen them out before putting them in positions of power.
If we don't prosecute Bush/Cheney for war crimes, we will be enabling this disease to just perpetuate itself and reappear in a new form with the same agenda. To not prosecute is to remain in this limbo of illusion, and to pretend we are a just society. I really hope it happens.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:54 PM
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39. 18% sounds high to me, but you could be right
I read a book on Political Ponerology, which discusses issues that are very similar to what you discuss here. I did a couple of posts on the material from the book:

How societies regress to become pathocracies:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3141216

The role of ideology in the development of evil regimes (pathocracies):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3123278

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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:37 PM
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44. Thanks for the links
I am still searching for the article that said 18% are psychopaths, 'Is Bush a Psychopath?' written by a psychologist, but there are SO many links for Bush + psychopath!! This would take time.
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Jambalaya Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:35 PM
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36. Mark Crispin Miller and the Power of Words
About four years ago,Mark C. Miller wrote a book entitled "Cruel and Unusual:Bush and Cheney's New World Order."
It is superb!

As a Professor of media,Miller knows a thing or two about verbal seduction.He also wrote the bestseller the Bush(Dys)Lexicon.

He has become quite vocal in "Stolen Elections" articles,and is frequently referred to in Larisa Alexandronova posts.

Here's a link:

Amazon.com: Cruel and Unusual: Bush/Cheney's New World Order: Mark ...Cruel and Unusual makes a compelling case by providing massive amounts of ... Cruel and Unusual is one of the most energetic and dire criticisms of the Bush ...
www.amazon.com/Cruel-Unusual-Cheneys-World-Order/dp/0393059170 - 310k - Cached - Similar pages
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:48 PM
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38. I read the Bush Dyslexicon
Aslo one of MCM's books on the stolen election of 2004. He really has Bush's number.
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Jambalaya Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:04 PM
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33. Synchronicity of syllables
Is it ANY wonder that Conservative begins with the word CON? I can think of quite a few other words that start with CON.

Congress
Congressman=(putting the CON in Congress)
Convict
Truth or Consequences
Iran Contra
Compassionate Conservative
Condoleeza Rice.............................These are but a few of the TOP CONS that come to mind,right off the top of my head.

There are far more clever minds than mine at DU that can think of some other,I'm sure.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:07 PM
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34. >>Fear of admitting wrong
I believe I have pulled out the heart of the matter. Just add on "one set of rules for us, another for you."
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:48 PM
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37. I'm happy to rec this great post
thanks so much
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tnlurker Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:55 PM
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40. k&r
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:35 PM
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43. Excellent post
Well written and researched.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 08:21 AM
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48. kick
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