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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:12 PM
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Shall I also tell you my sad stories?
I'm in Virginia attempting to reunite with my estranged daughters. They say they aren't ready. Meanwhile, my partner of 9 years back in Texas tells me one minute that she misses and loves me and the next day she says we're finished because she's lonely and cannot talk to me. In the process, I was planning to return to Texas next week and now that she's finished with me, I have no home to go back to.

How's that for sad?
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:13 PM
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1. Life's sure messy sometimes isn't it.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:19 PM
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4. That, my friend, is an understatement. n/t
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:49 PM
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9. You know, I think we all have our Jerry Springer moments. I know I've had enough
of my own. But it makes us human and I was told by my grandmother it builds character.. but I think I've had enough "building character" moments that I really don't need too many more.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:13 PM
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2. ...
:hug:

Very. I'm so sorry.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:18 PM
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3. Thanks Lyric. It's a hard thing to deal with but I will deal with it...somehow. n/t
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:23 PM
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5. Divorce sucks and that sounds like what you're going through
However, you still have a home in Texas and your partner will simply have to lump it for a few weeks while you make other arrangements. Ambivalence always happens during the process, so don't be too hard on her or yourself, but she really does owe it to you after 9 years to allow you time to find your own place. I suggest guilting her into it if there's too much drama.

As for your daughters, you might have to wait until they start having kids for them to get it. I hope they come around sooner than that, but it might still take that kind of time.

You still get to be sad, though. You're in two miserable situations at once.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:59 PM
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16. Thank you, Warpy. I'm trying and, yes, I am sad. But, I'll pass on the
pacifier mentioned on another thread with a similar title as this. I'm a big boy and, though I'm sad and heartbroken for now, I will come through it with the support of kind people like you and the others who've offered their comments on this thread.

Thanks to all of you for caring.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:24 PM
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6. That must be rough -- I've had a partner, a.k.a. "wife" -- bail on me..
..but I still had -- and have -- my kids...

Hang in there -- I can only pass along what others told me then: There *is* a yonder side, and somehow, it *does* get better...
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:44 PM
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7. oh man...
She's lonely but still loves you. There's hope.

With your daughters, they aren't ready but they didn't reject you outright. There's hope.

Relationships are soooo tough!
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:02 PM
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17. Thank you for that, dana_b. I do have hope that my daughters will
mature and as they do so perhaps they'll begin to understand and want to know me again. And, I am holding out hope that, once I get back to Texas, I can work on either reconciling my relationship with my partner (we are not married but I have often referred to her as my "wife" and she has called me her "husband". Common law reigns in Texas), or I will find a way to move on.

Again, thanks =).
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:47 PM
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8. sorry to hear that.
your partner sounds like a jerk. you deserve better.

as for your daughters, it sounds like they just need a little more time.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:22 PM
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22. Thank you, shireen. =) n/t
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:57 PM
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10. i'm sorry this stuff is happening to you.
hope things get better for you soon.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:56 PM
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15. Thank you very much, endless october. And a hearty welcome to DU! =) n/t
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:02 PM
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27. thanks!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:59 PM
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11. When I got divorced, the judge gave me complete custody of the oldest, her
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 02:07 PM by acmavm
father got the middle two, and we had to share custody of the youngest girl. Well, her daddy told the oldest that he would help pay off all her debts when he came back to visit his family (in a day). He told her to write checks to all her debtors and he'd put the money in the bank.

She wrote the checks (even though I told her never to trust the guy). He refused to give her the money and they started to bounce. So he told her unless I gave him complete custody of the youngest, she would go to prison. Well, we couldn't PROVE how it all came down so she came to me and to keep her out of jail, I signed the papers.

He spent the next few years telling them lies and making himself look like the victim of a scheming evil female. Years later they ALL found out that he was a cheat and a liar and a real nasty piece of work. They still love him, but they know the truth. Didn't help me all those years though.

POINT OF THIS POST: Kids are easily manipulated and they have to learn things the hard way. Eventually they may come around. Mine did. But that sure didn't help during all the lonely times, all the nights when all I wanted to do was see and talk to them.

Just keep plugging along. Don't ever stop trying to see them. Because no matter that they refuse to see you now. If you give up, they will hold that against you.

edit: I called my oldest 'stupid'. I shouldn't have done that. I feel bad. It was how she acted. And I think maybe I still am resentful of what she cost me. But I love her with all my heart and I feel terrible for calling her that. Although take my word, she can be the BIGGEST moran you ever came across at times.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:50 PM
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13. Wow, that's messed up about him playing games that way. My ex-wife and
I split because her father hated that I wouldn't go to work for him after clocking out of my day job and because I had long hair (at the time) and because I had lived with his daughter before we got married, which to him was mortal sin and gave tarnished his family name. The ex and I had a disagreement one day about our oldest daughter rocking back an forth, standing up on a dining room chair. I first told her to stop that she might tip over and get hurt. She was two and a half years. She looked at me, smiled, and rocked it again. I told her again, more firmly this time, to stop. She challenged me again. Then, I raised my voice. That's when my ex-wife jumped in, to scold me for raising my voice. That led to our first real argument in 5 years. She suggested she take the girls to her parents house to give us both time to calm down, which I agreed was the best thing to do. Once there, her father began driving the wedge that ended our marriage. He told her that if she stayed with me, she would get nothing in is will. No land. No business. No house. No cash. He then told her that if she didn't get in her car and follow him back home, he would dis-own her. That got her attention because he had already done that to one of his sons. She failed to stand up to him.

Backing up a bit... At the time we were living in an apartment that he leased in his name because the one we had formerly lived in burned to the ground along with our dog and everything else we owned. So, next day after he ordered her to go to his house, he called me and said I could either vacate the premises immediately or he would have me evicted. I suspected at the time that that would be a blemish on my credit record and my grandmother offered me a room in her house, so I left. He did everything he could after that to make my life miserable and to keep me from seeing my daughters or talk to my wife. Eventually, we went to divorce court and guess who was right there beside her as she studied her feet? You guessed, Mr. Control Freak. Later we had a custody hearing and by that time I had moved back to Texas (this all happened here in VA). Since they were girls and I was making a new life in Texas, I agreed that she should have custody on the condition that I get my visitation rights, which were granted. All I had to do was give her notice that I was coming to see them. I got to see them two times. The last time I saw them, the oldest was 4 and the youngest was 2 1/2. The whole process of losing my family caused me to enter a deep depression and during those couple of years I didn't even want to see my parents to explain to them, or anyone else, what had happened. After I saw them a second time, I learned that my ex-wife was seeing someone else and it was serious. Until then, I had some hope she'd come to her senses and tell her dad to fuck off. But I realized it was never going to happen and I went off the ddep end and disappeared for awhile.

When I finally showed up at Mom and Dad's, Mom handed me a handful of court papers that essentially said that my ex had remarried and he had petitioned the court to adopt my daughters. I had never even thought of such a scenario, after all I was still a semi-clueless 20-something. The adoption was granted and my parental rights were terminated. My initial response was to fight it retroactively. I enlisted a lawyer both here in VA and in TX and, after a time, was told by them that I didn't have a chance and the only way I could see my daughters is with their consent, which I asked for and did not get. I resolved then to wait. I sent cards and letters through the years but never got a response. My oldest turned 18 in August and that meant I could finally attempt to contact her in person.

My partner in Texas, whom I'd spent nearly 9 years with at this point was supportive at first, even helping me with arrangements. Then I came to Virginia, where an old friend from those days long ago happened to have room for me and supported what I was doing. I finally saw my daughter face-to-face for the first time just two nights ago. She didn't really say anything, but I handed her a letter I had written in which I had included all means to contact me. I asked her to read it and, if she wanted to, to contact me. An hour later, I her from her adoptive father for the first time. He was very cool and understanding and he passed the message from her to me that she was just not ready to deal with such a development. We had a nice and productive conversation for about 15 minutes and he assured me that both my daughters, even the younger one who is 16 years old, know what's going on and have my address and phone number and that he also has it. I told him I respected their feelings and that I would wait as long as I have to for them to be ready enough to contact me. It was a very pleasant conversation.

Though I'm sad that it'll take more time, the pain and hearache I've carried all these years has been somewhat relieved. At least it won't weigh so heavily on me anymore.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:11 PM
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19. I am so sorry. I imagine that the ex-FIL played on the fact that you
'abandoned' your daughters. I really hope that this new 'step dad' is as nice as you say, because his acceptance of you will go along way towards showing your girls that you are not a bad guy.

Parents or grandparents who lie about a parent are doing them no favor. There are millions of really bad parents out there who don't give a damn about their kids, and that is psychologically devastating. For a parent/grandparent to badmouth the missing parent is heaping a lot of unhappiness and grief on a kid that already has more than enough to deal with.

I sincerely hope that things work out and that you can start building a relationship with your kids someday. I know what the middle of the night is like. Those dark times when you're lying there worried about all the 'what ifs' that they might be facing in life.

At least they have a decent step parent. I'd tell you some of the stories of what my girls had to go through when Romeo got back into the world of dating. Some are an absolute hoot! They were pretty fucked up for a while with the revolving floozies that they'd run into in the mornings. But we laugh about it now.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:21 PM
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21. Thank you for pulling for me, acmavm. It means a lot. n/t
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:37 PM
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24. I feel for any parent who gets the short end of the stick. And I have to say,
it seems like you didn't get a break from anyone.

Stay strong and hope for the best.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:13 PM
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12. Sounds like your life is in transition.
Your partner in Texas must fear your attempts to reconnect with your daughters. You don't give any history, but is there animus between your daughters and the partner in Texas?

Your daughters have become estranged for a reason, and we don't know what that reason is, but in matters of estrangement between parents and their adult children, I tend to place more burden on the parents.

I'd say you need to find a support group. Try GLBT listings.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:56 PM
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14. No, my daughters don't know her. As for the estrangement, I
explained that in my post #13. I'm not sure what's at the core of my partner's problem except that she's pissed because she thinks I could have done all this from Texas (wrong!) and she feels like I've wasted the past 4 months of our lives together. She's heaping all of it on me and being selfish as hell.

My daughters are now 16 and 18. I can see their point of view as far as having to deal with this sort of development where a 45 year old man shows up after years and says "Hey, I'm your biological father. Let's be friends." Perhaps when they are a little older and more mature they will be ready to forge a relationship with me.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:05 PM
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18. No matter what the reasons behind the estrangement, the kids have their own life.
They are understandably reticent to allow someone from the long ago past to reenter their world. You can imagine them thinking "so what's the hurry all of the sudden now?!"

I think you have to give them a lot of time and a lot of room.

If your relationship in Texas means something to you, then you'd better be listening to the signals your partner is sending you. You are not going to fix your relationship with your daughters in the near term, but you could destroy what's left of your relationship with your S.O. thinking you might.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:18 PM
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20. You're absolutely right. I'll give them the time and the room now that
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 04:23 PM by Subdivisions
I've done what I knew I had to do, which was make contact in person. As for my S/O in Texas, I'm going back to deal with that within the next couple of weeks. (I'm staying in VA for a bit longer in case my daughter(s) have a quick change of heart, knowing that I'll be leaving soon. If they don't, I'll wait in Texas.)

Thanks for sharing and caring, TO.

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:47 PM
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25. And now, Bill Withers with some appropriate music ...
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:51 PM
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26. Love it! Thanks =) n/t
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:28 PM
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23. When I was younger, I thought that
life would get easier as I got older... :-) you and I know it is all a series of very tough choices. My late husband always said, "don't look back, you'll only trip yourself doing it." The pain of lost years will never go away and somehow we must learn to live with it politely. Give your daughters all the time they need.. I gave up a daughter and finally when she had a child of her own- she was ready(she was 35)!

If your partner in Texas is insecure or lacking in some way, it is her responsibility to communicate that. Anger at you is not appropriate. Every situation is different, as is every person. You my dear, have one life and you must make it a good one dispite your troubles! I don't think any of us should allow disrespect, grief or irrational stuff from anyone, even partners. Hang in there, be stoic, find someone out there who really needs your time and give it to them.
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greenbird Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:17 PM
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28. I lost my father when I was 4 1/2
and I have spent my whole life wishing that he would magically reappear - and I'm 56! I wish I could talk to your daughters. I would tell them this: Sit down, talk, listen, pay attention, learn. What a gift to have your father actually physically appear and want to see you. From my perspective, what an incredible gift.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:30 PM
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31. Thank you, greenbird, and a warm, if belated, welcome to DU =) n/t
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:21 PM
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29. This is why God created cheap whiskey, cigarettes and country music.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:29 PM
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30. Amen to that, rug, amen to that.... n/t
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