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Sun Mar-01-09 01:07 AM
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Reading about him, he seemed so much more pragmatic and levelheaded than the Contract for America ideologues.
If Republicans can return to the old conservatism, or at least incorporate some aspects of it into their ideology, they might have more success. I would certainly respect them more.
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:10 AM
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1. George H. W. Bush, "what this country needs is another Pearl Harbor to unite the people" that's a |
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:11 AM
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2. I never said I liked him, I didn't like him, but I could respect him |
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There's a difference between liking someone and respecting someone.
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:13 AM
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3. George H. W. Bush, the real "deep-throat" |
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:14 AM
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4. you should read the book "American Dynasty" it's about the Bush clan, all of them |
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it was written by Kevin phillips and it's an excellent and informative read. 41 looks great compared to the idiot spawn of his and his harridan wife's loins but there are plenty of issues with him as well.
43----just like his Momma.
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:14 AM
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5. I have more respect for Bush, Sr. |
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than for other Republican presidents in recent history. He at least had the sense to break his campaign promise and raise taxes, to get our economy in shape.
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:14 AM
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6. Pragmatic and levelheaded in his CIA drugs/arms dealings, fer sure |
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To save their party the Repubs will need to look forward - not back.
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:17 AM
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They should study their history and see what went right and what went wrong |
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:30 AM
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14. Unfortunately, they'll assess 'right' and 'wrong' in terms of party, NOT country and NOT world. |
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There's partisanship ... and then there's GOP partisanshhip - a whole order of magnitude more of self-centered political myopia.
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:17 AM
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7. Read 'The Shock Doctrine' by Naomi Klein..... |
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You need to take the red pill.
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:17 AM
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8. another good book, a must read really. |
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:18 AM
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10. I don't think you understood my OP |
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I said I thought he was pragmatic, not an ideologue.
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Sun Mar-01-09 02:21 AM
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18. You will not be able to engage in an informed conversation |
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without KNOWING what these ppl/ideologies are all about.
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:18 AM
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9. Gotta give Poppy credit, he did put a lid on contra affair... using Ollie North as the goat |
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:20 AM
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11. Thus the threat of Ron Paul. |
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Edited on Sun Mar-01-09 01:20 AM by napoleon_in_rags
It would nice to see conservative climb out of the cesspool of hypocrisy and actually stand for something, but at the same time that represents the largest long term threat to the Democratic party. From a practical perspective, give me Rush Limbaugh, give me screaming about government spending after GWB spent more than any president in history, give me Rush's war on reality and the mobilization of intelligent folks across the spectrum against it brings. In many ways, that is what the times call for, deep questioning. In some ways we don't need that kind of intelligent debate right now, what we need is consolidation of the big tent on positive change. So no, in that sense I disagree with you.
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:22 AM
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12. I agree in the short term, we need Democratic unity and Republican disarray... |
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..but in the long term, we need two opposing parties.
If the Republicans can't get it together, we may see a new Progressive Party split off from the Democrats, and the Dems would swallow the GOP in the process.
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:29 AM
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13. I agree the people need viable political options. |
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Choice is really important. The key word right now is viable, which conservative opinion is not given the current situation. The truth be told, I hope we move beyond this whole dynamic in the future, to two different parties of truly fresh and relevant ideas. That would be wonderful for our country.
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:42 AM
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15. Actually, I think there could be a day when the conservative Dems/Blue Dogs |
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bolt the Party and hook up with the moderate Republican wing to take back that Party or reconstitute as an opposition party to liberal/progressive Democrats. Hopefully, the splinter Limbaugh-Dobson Party will become the isolated lunatic fringe that they deserve.
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:55 AM
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and if that happens, that would be good for the nation.
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Sun Mar-01-09 01:55 AM
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16. Everything He Did Was For The Profit Of The Bush Family |
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It was clear while he was President that the only thread that tied his actions together was cash for Bushes. For example, why else would he, as a Republican, veto de-regulation of the cable TV industry? Could it be because one son was a Director of a cable TV outfit at the time?
And so forth.
It was single-minded and unrelenting.
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Sun Mar-01-09 02:26 AM
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19. remember what he said to Mary McGrory |
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He said to her: "If the American people knew what we have done, they would chase us down the street and kill us."
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