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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 06:07 PM Original message |
Eastwood's CHANGELING and its depiction of treatment of women |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. Women are the subject of ridicule and stereotypes. They're routinely trivialized and marginalized. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. 14% is ridiculous! Argh! |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Don't get me started about Disney... |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 07:15 AM Response to Reply #9 |
31. The stories of Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty hark back to medieval times. |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 07:48 AM Response to Reply #9 |
35. "Walt Disney had some VERY serious issues with his mother" |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. How did he manage to shape and influence them? |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I don't always invoke the tag. |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Ahhhh... I'm slow this morning. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
54. Oh please; I worked as a Disney animation artist and have been |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
61. YES! I'm so glad someone else has noticed this, too. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
78. Disney got more politically correct in mid-late 90's with movies like Mulan |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Pretty much any movie with a female protagonist is tagged (derisively) as a chick movie |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. Regarding Disney..... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. I've always noticed that. And, in a non-Disney note, movies about inspiring teachers... |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 07:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Neither one of you realizes where fairy tales come from - |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Yes, I know. But why are these fairy tales perpetuated in 20th Century film? |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. I don't know, because they're classics maybe? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
65. Male characters are the default in kiddie lit. Disney perpetuates and normalizes that. nt |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. Yes, you've said that. |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
81. Just for the record, |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 03:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
27. watch any movie trailor |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. Years ago all a husband needed to send his wife to a mental institution |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. You might be mortified to know that it isn't that hard these days |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
38. i don't know about that. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. I've seen it with my own eyes |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
22. Even Mary Todd Lincoln |
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Maine-ah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #22 |
56. I didn't know that, so I of course googled |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I have always wondered about her? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #56 |
74. Plus, Robert was a total DICK. |
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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
58. and daughters were sent to homes for incorrigible girls if they misbehaved |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
3. I saw it recently and agree. But have things changed so much? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Women couldn't sit on juries in NYState until the '60s. That's why the movie is 12 Angry MEN. nt |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. not that much has changed and the clock has been turned back. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #3 |
48. Gee, the way I see it is this |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Incremental... Attitudes are rapidly changing among youth... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. It is the other way around |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I'm glad that has been your experience. It is as it should be. n/t |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. And so, |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. For what it is worth, Bluenorthwest... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Well we are in much argeement |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #48 |
63. Yes, I agree ... however, |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
6. I saw the real thing |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
7. Watch the Francis Farmer story |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Horrible thing to do to a human being. nt |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
8. The present can be scary too |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. You bring up an interesting point... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. and the medical tests for what is "normal" or "standard" are mostly on males. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
64. And most of the medicines create new problems for which they prescribe new medicines!!! |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. and people who are sensitive threaten the profit margin of the med pushers |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
67. My mother was told her migraine headaches were caused by a need for sex |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Guess I'll be quiet about my allergic reaction |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 02:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. But in a way you can't |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
73. not let him leave? WTF? |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
79. Actually, I am lucky.... |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
10. SPOILER |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 07:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
33. The movie was based on a true story. |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
11. Watch his "Bird" as well (as I have just finished doing) |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
59. Eastwood supported McCain in 2008, so he doesn't "get" all of it. |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. Good grief! I did not know that. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
17. I felt the same way after reading The Yellow Wallpaper. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
18. Thank you Mike03 for a really interesting thread. |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
24. A really good and eye opening expose |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
26. John Cassavetes' films about women are very important for this reason. |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 05:27 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. The Changeling is an excellent movie... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 05:33 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. i think though men can easily be treated the same way - made to look crazy, |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
77. One of Cassavettes movies deliberately depicts both sides of that coin |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #28 |
47. They used the court tramscripts word-for-word, too |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:10 AM Response to Reply #26 |
42. Good call... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Rowlands and Cassevetes are a great pair. nt |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 07:00 AM Response to Original message |
30. I must see this film ... |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
34. The term, hysterics or hysterical. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
46. That's right, madness is a female or female-derived thing. That's why I ... |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
36. I am a 50 year old woman |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #36 |
53. Yep, the imprisonment and force feeding scenes were intense |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #53 |
70. Women's rights are also starting to bite us on the butt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
66. I was just trying to think of the name of the movie about the Suffragettes . . . |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. 'Suffragists'. Not the diminutive, 'suffragettes'. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Thanks -- !!! Suffragists...!!! |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. I still screw it up sometimes. Perhaps because I love the song in Mary Poppins. nt |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
43. The court scenes were taken directly from the actual transcripts |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
80. Eastwood did two brilliant films this year... absolutely his best |
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