Should the Bush Administration and the RNC ultimately be charged with RICO violations?

[tom_paine]

Consider:

The US Attorneys scandal, it now appears, provides a conduit into the dark heart of the criminal network that has been dismantling our nation from within, doing as the Soviets before them and replacing all key positions with Republic Party Comrades, your Loyal Bushies.

Here are just a few of the neon arrows pointing to an organization which is openly unAmerican in it's intent to violate the Founding Father's most basic tenet (one of 'em, anyway), which is that the law shall be as evenhanded as humanly possible, and not bending to the whims of a Royal or One-Party Control:

Joseph P. Rich @ DOJ- Civil Rights blows whistle on naked Loyal Bushie attempt to use Civil Rights Division as a bludgeon to poor minorities while at the same time turning a blind eye to many Loyal Bushie infractions on those same people, the poor and those who can't fight back. Back to pre-1964 with us.

JUST LIKE SOVIET RUSSIA.

The Abramoff USA replacement.
The tobacco case tanking.
Oh, and here's a new on in LBN. Loyal Bushie Jeffrey Taylor purposely tanks case which allows $100,000,000 in stolen US Public Treasury dollars to go back to the LOYAL BUSHIE TAX THIEF who stole it in the first place AND HAD ALREADY ADMITTED GUILT IN COURT!

Loyal Bushie operation MO...fits it to a tee. Means. Motive. Opportunity.

I wonder how many of the 100+ RICO Predicates describe the operation in the Loyal Bushies on multiple fronts to subvert and reverse the original purpose of DOJ, the way a Mafia organization bores into a union and corrupts and reverses it's original intent and purpose?

THAT is what is at the heart of Attorneygate: Trying to alter the Justice System and turn it into a Loyal Bushie organization, like the Soviets and so many other countries, all of whom were tyrannies, have done.

This is the tip of a MEGA-HUGE scandal that connects a series of smaller scandals into a larger-picture that is borderline treasonous.

So...I ask you DU: If the investigations warrant it, should the Busheviks and the current leadership at the RNC, gwb43.com and the rest, be indicted as a RICO organization(s)?

TO AVOID ALL POSSIBILITY OF CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT I AM ASKING HERE: This thread does NOT advocate making the Republic Party illegal or any other nonsense. That would be vile, totalitarian and WHOLLY unAmerican. All this thread is suggesting is that the criminals who have committed RICO violations should be investigated, indicted, and convicted if the evidence warrants it. This by default will give the honest Republicans a chance to resume the now vacated leadership positions by default, just as if anyone got convicted of a felony, no matter what party they belonged to, they'd be fired and their job now open. I say again. This thread does NOT advocate making the Republic Party illegal or any other nonsense.

The Eagle needs BOTH wings to fly!

PS any relevant information from legal and law enforcement professionals who actually KNOW what and how RICO works would be GREATLY APPRECIATED.

[leftofthedial]

1. I believe we have reached the point at which

it should be illegal to be a repuke

[tom_paine]

2. No. STRONGLY disagree. That is exactly the kind of thinking we must avoid.

"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Do you really think because the RW is currently lead by manifestly corrupt leaders that entirely invalidates RW ideals, even if we disagree with them?

I don't. That is just as bad as Freepers saying that liberalism should be extinguished and or it's political power wholly suppressed. NEITHER liberalism NOR conservatism (not to be confused with Loyal Bushies, who are Authoritarians) should be outlawed.

Both extremes that speak that idea and are serious about it are WRONG WRONG WRONG, in my opinion.

[Syrinx]

3. just stepping in to...

Strongly agree with this post. I hate and fear authoritarianism, whether from the right or left.

I remember some time ago that I posted a poll that asked "which event is most likely to occur?" And the choices included MIHOP proven, LIHOP proven, and the Republican Party being busted under RICO statutes. There were other choices, but I don't remember what they were.

[leftofthedial]

4. yes

RW "ideals," taken to their logical conclusion, will destroy the planet and the species.

BUT that's not what I said in my post. The GOP is clearly now an organized criminal enterprise. I didn't say ban conservative thought (if indeed that is not an oxymoron). I said ban the repuke party, which is nothing more than a crime gang.

[tom_paine]

6. What about the millions of honest Republicans out there?

They aren't part of the Bush gang. We might think they are gullible suckers paralyzed by fear and hisorical ignorance making them easily malleable by evil people.

And what about the "good Republicans" who voted Dem in the last election? They helped us take back America, because they were principled enough and smart enough to vote against their party but FOR their country.

I know you didn't suggest banning conservative thought, I never said you did. What I said was that your suggestion reminded me of the other extreme, which happens to be banning liberal thought or wholly removing liberal political power.

Can you tell me that you honestly believe that making the Republican Party illegal wouldn't have the same effect as wholly removing conservative political power for at least a decade?

You said: RW "ideals," taken to their logical conclusion, will destroy the planet and the species.

That may be true. But LW ideals, in a system where LW power is unopposed and unmoderated, probably would ALSO destroy the planet and the species, just differently than unchecked RW Power. I know you probably can't see how "your side" could ever cause such a thing, but that is exactly what makes it that much more likely, because you believe it to be impossible.

That is why I will continue to believe in Checks and Balances, having one side watchdog the other and keep one side from every fully getting it's way, thus steering a more middle course. Is it perfect? Hell no, but it's pretty damned good, faults and flaws included.

[leftofthedial]

7. negligence is not an alibi

when crimes against humanity are committed.

You're wrong about LW ideals.

Oh. and "honest republicans" is an oxymoron for sure.

[tom_paine]

8. We will have to agree to disagree. You are far too extremist and absolutist for me.

Please don't take what I say as a sign of disrepect. I respect your opinion and your right to have them. And I reiterate the fact that your own blindness to the possibility of your corruption by power(I am using the rhetorical "you", this is not a personal attack) makes it that much more likely if ever you gained real power over others.

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

[rock]

9. I absolutely agree

Many decent Republican voters are "gullible suckers" (whom I pity). However, the Republican politicians are of different sort and if they've broken the law should be punished (duh).

[marions ghost]

14. Does anyone know

what "conservative thought" is anymore? After the corruption of this era, who in their right minds would want to be associated with "conservative thought?" It seems to me this is an obsolete concept not too useful today. You can't separate the thought from the party. You can't separate the philosophy from the action based on that philosophy. Anyway it's an illusion to think that one side "balances" the other. The whole 'us vs them' bipolar dichotomy is now in question.

As for "good Republicans" --are we talking about the ones who voted twice for GWB? Do they really fall in the category of "good?" Do we not hold them largely responsible for the mess we are in in the first place? We are not talking about the gullible here--we are talking about the informed and reasonably intelligent supporters who clearly knew what they were doing. The only good Republican is one who actually feels guilty IMO.

Oh sure, let the R party continue. But NO political party should have the power they have had. Let us hope that "conservative political power" is dead in the water for a long, long time.

It's defunct.

[cassiepriam]

10. I used to agree with you. But not any more. Repugs are criminals.

Either committing crimes or supporting those who do.
Repugs are supporting the rape, murder,torture of innocents,
the theft of the American treasury and crime after crime
against the American people.

Their so called philosophy is just a cover for criminal activity.

[Prophet 451]

5. I'm torn

On the one hand, why not charge them under RICO? This lot have committed so many crimes that one more or less isn't going to make much difference. On the other hand, while illegal and unethical, I doubt what they've done falls under the letter of the RICO act (although it clearly falls under the spirit of it).

Then again, if Jack Thompson can ask for Penny Arcade to be charged under RICO (yes of course I'm serious), anything is possible.

[mmonk]

11. Anything at this point. I'm tiring of all this.

[Richard Steele]

12. A-yup. nm

[marions ghost]

13. OK I am a novice in legal matters

--but I thought there was a technicality where you can't charge the govt with RICO.

You/we need a legal opinion to say for certain, but my guess is that it's not applicable in this case.

It seems to me that there are NO protections in the US allowing us to remove a government that has run amok. Whatever protections there were have been systematically neutralized and abused. The only thing we can do is support the opposition and hope they can gain enough power to overcome the hijackers. The system as it is now is not strong enough to take down these people by clever legal strategies.

The best hope we have is disseminating the truth behind this evil and corrupt regime--and exposing the corruption that exists at every level of govt. The whole system needs to be discredited and then revamped for the 21st century. Obviously it's NOT working (or shall we say, it's not working for the people). The Dark Night of the Bushites has proved that beyond a shadow of doubt.

[tom_paine]

15. I don't know: Calling all DU Lawyers! Please help!

Anyone know if the govt. can't be charged with RICO (of course, the RNC Leadersdhip and gwb43.con/Smartech aren't the govt.)?