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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 03:58 PM
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How Republicans were systematically converted to Nazism.


We all saw it happen. We’ve spent our entire adult lives watching the mass-media talking heads explain the differences between the American Left and the American Right.

We’ve been told that the Democrats tend to lean to the left and the Republicans tend to lean to the right. We’ve been told that the further you go to the left, the closer you get to communism; the further you go to the right, the closer you get to fascism.

But what I’ve come to understand that none of this is true. It’s a trick. A collective fallacy. An snowballing equivocation. The whole left-right debate, I’ve come to understand, is little more than a means by which a small group of powerful people have managed not only to take control of the Republican Party, but to remake it in their own image.

They managed to conflate two completely unrelated factions of two completely unrelated political specra, and then cross-pit one faction against the other to their own benefit.

One spectrum, or “track,” spans from liberalism on the left to conservatism on the right. The other spectrum, or “track,” spans from communism on the left to fascism on the right. We’re all familiar with both tracks, but we don’t seem to be cognizant of the fact that they don’t even intersect, let alone share left and or right tendencies.

We’ve been asked to believe that the terms left and right can be applied equally across both tracks. But in American politics, the latter track doesn’t even exist. You can’t get there from here. We debate neither communism nor fascism. Well, not until September 11, 2001. That’s when the Republican Party jumped tracks.

Let’s take, umm, TORTURE for instance. In American politics, torture has always been unacceptable, forbidden, criminal, evil. Liberals have always understood torture to be grossly antithetical to our basic standards of human decency. Conservatives have always understood torture to be grossly antithetical to their basic standards of limited government.

So how is it that almost all so-called conservatives now support torture in one form or another? Well, for one thing, they’re not really conservatives. They’re Republicans. And, for another thing, they’ve spent their entire adult lives being conditioned to support not the Constitution, but their political leaders.

It’s the same deal with SECRECY. Liberals have always understood secret government to be antithetical to our vision of Constitutional democracy. And Conservatives have always understood secret government to be antithetical to their vision of Constitutional democracy. But Republicans no longer hesitate to support secret government when they believe it serves the agenda of their leaders. Why? Because their leaders tell them to. They are authoritarians.

The extreme left, the ever-dangerous opponent of the Republican Party, doesn’t even exist. Nothing even close. Never has. There is no organized group on the American left which supports the kind of torture and secrecy which is currently being practiced on the American right. There is no organized group on the American left which supports the kind of torture and secrecy which was and is practiced on the far “left” in places like the Soviet Union and China.

The American track, the track most Democrats and all liberals still believe in, is built high atop standards of decency. The Republican track, the track most or all Republicans now support, is built according to the bidding of their leaders.

Republicans have literally been conditioned to hate the American track. They have literally been conditioned to hate America.

But how do their leaders keep them on track? Well, they convince them that their opponents are riding the other end of the same track. They’re socialists. Marxists. Commies!

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.









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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 04:10 PM
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1. K&R
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 04:13 PM
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2. Corporatism is fascism . . . and that's what the GOP has been bought to
protect and produce over the past decades . . . !!
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 05:25 PM
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5. Sorry, but no.
Corporatism is a fascist philosophy that has nothing to do with the neo-mercantalist, anti-union, hyper individualistic philosophy of today's Republicans. Fascism is about subserviating the individual to the state; corporatism is the belief that the nation is like one body that everyone is a part of and should sacrifice themselves to the welfare of.

Republicans' greed-first philosophy is about completely abandoning social responsibility and getting your cut--damn the consequences. They're both wrong; they're both right wing--but they're two completely different beasts. If anything, fascists at least had a more responsible policy when it came to looking out for working families (assuming you're not a Jew, Gypsy, commie, Catholic, or other hated minority du jour).
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 08:09 PM
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6. It sounds like you're saying they're basically the same, but
the Republicans are in it for the short term and the traditional Nazis were in it for keeps. Is that right?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:14 PM
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7. No, I'm saying there's fundamental differences between Nazis & the GOP
It's not a difference of degree (as you said, short term vs "for keeps"). There are zillions of differences between nazis & Republicans. When Republicans start rounding up their political enemies into concentration camps, I'll concede some critical similarities. In the meantime, I reiterate that the uber-capitalists, Ayn-Randian individualists, and knee-jerk small government knuckleheads of the GOP are nothing at all like the command economy, goose stepping, Big Brother, state interventionists of the National Socialists.

The root of this comparison sprouts from a misunderstanding of what "corporatism" is. A couple of years ago someone on the web started up this meme by passing along a bogus Mussolini quote about corporatism and wrongly implied that it had something to do with the enormous political clout corporations have in politics today. Corporatism as a philosophy would be decidedly anti-corporation as the mega transnational conglomerates of today see the world. Don't get the two confused with each other--they're entirely distinct flavors of right wing wickedness.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:31 PM
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9. I have problems with arguments which are based in or on
how successful the fascists in question are. Just because one Nazi faction was not as successful as another, or just because they didn't employ the same strategies, doesn't mean they're Nazis to a lesser degree. As long as they give it their best shot, I'm willing to give them credit.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:39 AM
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10. When corporations buy government you have fascism . . .
Corporations aren't "anti-union" . . . ??

The GOP is owned by corporations - as our government is.

And, sadly, some part of the Democratic Party, as well.

And I am using fascist in the sense of totalitarian --

Again -- we've been being warned of this buying of government for decades --

Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Etymology|Definitions|Historical...|Core tenets
Fascism is a radical, authoritarian, corporatist and nationalist political ideology. Historians and political scientists disagree on a precise definition, however; some would omit one or more of the preceding themes, while...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism - 434k - Cached

Corporatism.org
Corporatism.org. Hosted Sites. Rob's Blog. Lass Doch. Django test site. Trac Instance. Interesting Sites. Django Project. Pinax Project ...www.corporatism.org - Cached
corporatist: Definition from Answers.com
corporatist ( ) adj. Of, relating to, or being a corporative state or system. ... to Mussolini: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is ...www.answers.com/topic/corporatism - 179k - Cached


It's the Corporate State, Stupid
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of ... The structure of fascism is corporatism, or the corporate state. ...www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7260.htm - Cached

PublicEye.org - Fascism: Corporatism v. Corporations
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of ... Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State--a synthesis and ...www.publiceye.org/fascist/corporatism.html - Cached

Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics ...
Fascism is to be distinguished from interventionism, or the mixed economy. ... Fascism embodied corporatism, in which political representation was based on ...www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html - Cached



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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 04:26 PM
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3. Are you quoting something or is this your writing? Link?? n/t
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 05:17 PM
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4. I stole the last paragraph from a German guy.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:17 PM
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8. They became "what they hated". Natural reaction to an obsession.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:02 AM
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11. Where I come from Republicans and Nazi's were the same thing.
My Grandfather was a second generation descendant of German immigrants who lived in an extended community. He was also a rock solid converted Roosevelt Democrat. During the first World War there was a concerted effort in his immediate family to break ties with German influence especially the German language. In the 1920's and 1930's many of his relatives were strong supporters of the German American Bundt as well as the Republican Party. Walking down the street in the 1940's during the second World War some family members complained to my Grandfather about his son (my uncle) bombing relatives in the Fatherland in the 8th Army Air Force. He made a promise to those people at that time and they stayed clear of him from that day. I was taught at an early age that Republicans even when they did not acknowledge Nazi sympathy are the same thing. That connection hit home to be true especially during the lesser Bush administration.
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