You know this isn't just going to be War with Iran but WWIII

[lovuian]

I've been watching the foreign news and Israel expects Syria to attack the Golan

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/844754.html

Israel's political and military leadership has been preparing in recent weeks for the possibility of a Syrian attack on the Golan Heights that will start as a result of a "miscalculation" on the part of the Syrians, who may assume that Israel intends to attack them.

Israel, however, has delivered a calming message, and has no plans to attack its northern neighbor.

According to information Israel received, the Syrians are concerned that the United States will carry out an attack against Iran's nuclear installations in the summer, and in parallel Israel would strike Syria and Lebanon
more...
I'm sure Syria will totally believe Israel

but it will be interested to see how many countries rally to Iran's call

is Russia and China North Korea Egypt Saudia Arabia and Venuzuela as well as others just going to sit back and watch Iran and Iraq go down...???

I know what its like to be a German watching the army stroll into Austria and then Belgium while everybody just watches...

April 6 oo40 Operation Bite from the rumours commences

All we can do right now is pray for sanity
Can you imagine the American soldier going to war with this Man in office
its so sad

[havocmom]

1. Doesn't Iran have a mutual defense pact with Russia?

And China likes them for the oil.

bush would be just the uniter to make allies out of the bear and the dragon.

[Kagemusha]

3. Mutual defense pact? Uh, um, NO.

Iran has been a client of Russia's arms exports. This isn't Austria/Hungary and Russia in WWI. It is not. Drive the thought from your mind, please.

Though IMHO war with Iran's still dumb.

[lovuian]

5. I will drive it out of my mind I hope your right

So you think this will be just Iran and America no other countries???

[Kagemusha]

8. That's more likely than not

No one wants to join with America and no one has any commitment to Iran. I'm not counting Iran's friends in Iraq as "a country" but... well, that's the single scariest retaliation scenario. The Shiite South exploding.

[Dan]

10. Not true...

I wish that I had the source, but China and Iran have a contractual agreement as it relates to Iranian oil. This contract or agreement was entered into about two to three years ago, after we invaded IRAQ. I would not be so sure about what the military ties might be.

[Kagemusha]

13. I meant military commitment, if it wasn't obvious.

Even if China had a military agreement, what's it gonna do? Airlift an army over Afghanistan? Over India? It's not viable.

OTOH, Iran is mountainious, which just by itself makes it a much different target than Iraq...

[Dan]

17. ask for payment on our national credit card

[hang a left]

21. what's the diff?

[Kagemusha]

26. ...It's harder to invade, seize and hold, than Iraq.

So lack of foreign armies to defend Iran does not make it easy prey for the Iraq treatment.

[Leopolds Ghost]

42. Huh? Iran and Syria have a mutual defense pact.

Of course this is more to protect Syria, who has no power to resist invasion by any of its neighbors.

I doubt they would initiate hostilities against us, knowing it would be a death sentence for the Syrian gov't. UNLESS they attacked Israel on Iran's behest, and I imagine they'd only do that if they were being invaded by the US anyway. Call it "Mutual Assured Invasion."

If we invaded Iran, though, we might have to invade Syria "on general principle"

In which case, sure, Syria would have no incentive NOT to move all its retreating forces into the Golan and the Mountains of Lebanon.

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[enid602]

12. BRIC

There is an alliance; it's called BRIC, for Brazil, Russia, India and China. It accounts for almost 2/3 of the world's population. It's stated intention is to counter American hegemony, and it has shown interest in protecting Iran. Google BRIC. It's another one of those things that exists on the internet, but has never been mentioned by the MSM. I guess if one doesn't see it on TV, it doesn't exist.

[Individualist]

14. Iran is an observer with the Shanghai Cooperation Organization

"The SCO, an Intergovernmental organization whose working languages are Chinese and Russian, was founded in Shanghai on June 15, 2001 by China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgystan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HD18Ad02.html

I'd be very surprised if Russia and China remain uninvolved when the cabal orders an attack on Iran.

[lovuian]

4. I have a feeling that Iran has set up its buddies and China is

one of them... I personally think Iran is really not the one the New World Order wants its China

By controlling China's ability to get fuel they will control them

I have watched China when they blew that satellite up they were sending a signal to Bush

W know what your up to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5idxAbrx1ds

[EVDebs]

2. By 2031 the world's oil is tapped out anyway. No mahdi what happens !

http://www.earth-policy.org/Books/PB2/Contents.htm Read 'learning from china' part of Ch 1

[lovuian]

7. So the army who has the most oil wins by 2031

otherwise nobody wins

[Glorfindel]

9. Nobody "wins" anyway...senseless idiots

I detest the insane theocrats in Iran even more (if that's possible!) than I do the monstrous kleptocracy in charge of the USA at this point in time. If only they could obliterate each other, and leave everyone else untouched. Too good to ask for, I know.

[EVDebs]

11. DING DING DING, We have a WINNER !

The classic zero sum game. And our illustrious Herr Bush and Herr Ahmadinejhad in true zealotry that proves nothing but their own stupidity march on.

[Leopolds Ghost]

43. Idiots? No, Americans. He who dies with the most toys (oil) wins.

Typical philosophy even among all the upwardly mobile liberals I know.

Why do you think they're still driving around like there's no tomorrow,
spouting lines like: "Where I live, it's necessary" and "you think I'd
let my kid walk to soccer practice?" and "I've got too much stuff I have
to buy to cut down on fuel consumption." These are the LEFTIES mind you..

[Warren Stupidity]

15. Venuzuela ?

"is Russia and China North Korea Egypt Saudia Arabia and Venuzuela as well as others just going to sit back and watch Iran and Iraq go down...???"

Yes they is. First, North Korea Egypt Saudia Arabia and Venezuela have nothing much in the way of effective military force that they can use against us, so whatever they might want to do, they will do nothing. Russia and China could cause serious trouble, but they won't. They will instead prefer to watch us bleed ourselves dry and wreck our army on a fool's errand in asia.

[Kelly Rupert]

16. I won't hold my breath.

For the last three years, there's been someone crying wolf every single day.

[Cascadian]

18. This is what will happen if Iran is attacked....

1. Increased hostility towards the U.S. and West. Increased terrorist activity worldwide.

2. Iran will send troops streaming into Iraq to "liberate" their Shia brothers. Thus, attacking U.S. forces on the ground.

3. U.S. forces in Iraq will suffer heavy casualties. Thus increasing the spectre of conscription, or a draft if you will.

4. Russia and China will move closer and quickly towards forging a military and political alliance to counter the West. Naturally they will condemn the attack on Iran.

5. Israel may be drawn into the conflict along with Syria.

6. Iran will face heavy civilian casualties as a result of the bombing and potential radioactive fallout from the ruins of the nuclear facilities. Neighboring countries will also feel the effects of the fallout.

7. The situation could also prove a major factor in the 2008 elections. Also, could further destabilize the unity of the United States.


Anybody else want to add to this?

John

[lovuian]

19. America's Army busy keeping Shites and Sunnis and Kurds

under control will now be fighting a war with Millions and more missiles

Now remember these people are fighting for their country and their oil wells

Navy carriers plus French carrier and British are in place

but hopefully they won't get caught in the strait of Hormuz

Its almost as if Bush is out to destroy Americas Military

I hope not thats our children out there

and ANY WEAKNESS Russia and China will pounce on as well as others

[bdamomma]

23. in regards to your list

I really think Bush wants to systemically wants to weaken our military, remember he is a religious wingnut! and he believes in end times. Thus destroying our country, weakening the environment, and our people and people across the world. He is very dangerous.

[Toots]

30. Actually I don't think Bush* is at all religious

He does not attend church services and he refused to allow admittance to his own or at least the Methodist minister from the area in Texas where he supposedly lives. He is as much a fake Christian as he is a fake everything..

[tiptoe]

31. a "new world order" does not need (want) a strong, competitive USA. nt

[AZBlue]

20. Why are so many on DU so focused on war with Iran? Why do so many want it??

They must - they just keep talking about it, planning it, figuring all the what-if's, etc. Why aren't they instead focusing on ways to PREVENT it?? I don't understand this.

[Warren Stupidity]

22. We don't want it but we are fascinated by the train wreck in progress

Really, this is the most colossal multi-car collision since WWII. How can we not be fascinated?

[AZBlue]

34. Which only ensures the biggest train wreck possible.

I have to admit, I find that outlook a little sickening.

[Warren Stupidity]

41. Yeah just like on the highway.

All those damn fool rubberneckers. And then when it is your turn you slow down and take a look too.

Being fascinated by disasters does not cause disasters.

[bdamomma]

24. prevention and diplomatic talks is the only way to stop this

confrontation. They talk about regime change in Iran, we should have regime change here, we are sliding into the abyss now.

[H2O Man]

25. True.

We are moving towards a violent conflict that the world can not afford.

[bdamomma]

32. but I wonder if the Brits and Iran can come to some resolution

to defuse this situation, if it will show our thuggish regime, that talking helps, and not bombs.

[frogcycle]

27. bs

stating an opinion of what appears to be the case does not mean approval

that is like the limbaughs saying we want the terrorists to win just because we say the "war" is not working

[AZBlue]

35. But what are you doing to prevent the war?

[Lil Missy]

29. Prevent it? How do you propose we do that with a mad man in charge?

Logic, good reasoning and common sense do not apply to the bush/cheney admin. They are crazy bastards, and perfectly willing to start another war, even knowing it cannot be won.

[AZBlue]

36. So we take away their power to do so.

They may have tried to take over this country, but they've done a piss-poor job of it and haven't succeeded. Unless we all give up and let them have it...

[Done]

33. In-peach bush...that's the only way to stop it.

[KoKo]

40. Most of us posting about Iran have participated in "Anti-Iraq Invasion Marches"

and at this point are exasperated at WHY the MSCorporate Media never reports the ISSUES. And, because WE KNOW they are SELLING IRAN BOMBING to COVER THEIR CRIMES!!!!!!

[cali]

28. I can't wait untill April 7th

when there hasn't been an attack on Iran. All those who are so sure that the US will bomb Iran, will suddenly melt away- just as they have on all the other announced dates for an attack.

And yes, it will be disasterous if we do attack Iran, but I don't think you'll see the Russians and Chinese jumping in.

[Leopolds Ghost]

44. Unfortunately, although I am very worried about an attack on Iran, I think you'll be right

All these fake dates promulgated by (among others) Seymour Hersh makes me
wonder whose kool-aid people are sipping and where these dates originated.

With foriegn intelligence sources, perhaps? Or is there the very real
danger that we are being "psyched" into this war, knowing we are on the
lookout for it, with a series of false alarms, the net effect is to get
people used to the IDEA of war with Iran so that when it finally comes,
nothing can be done or said to stop it, that has not been said or done?

[Parche]

37. Wargames

Sounds like the PC game Civilization!!

[Rex]

38. I hope just the fact that it would be WWIII, trumps

the three stupid men who could make it all possible.

[Leopolds Ghost]

45. Didn't you hear? We're already in WWIII

This would be WWIV, according to Gingrich and the neo-cons and neoliberal investors who see it as a global chess game that doesn't affect their interests.

[KoKo]

39. It's the Bush Excuse to Cover CRIMES..against America and HUMANITY!

so to Cover That...they will BOMB!!! BOMB!!! and compliant Media will comply with "America is at War" we Must SUPPORT our P-Resident because in "Time of War" Media is under "obligations."

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