Remember WATERGATE? We're living Worse Than Watergate, the Secret Government. When are the HEARINGS?

[omega minimo]

John Dean - Bush Administration worse than Watergate - The Secret Government of George W. Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f70B-gfKuxs

The Secret Government - Bill Moyers 1987
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sstDwKTCpM

'Worse Than Watergate'
Dean Book Cites Secret-Keeping at Bush White House
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1832635

Published on Friday, April 2, 2004 by NOW with Bill Moyers
Ex-Nixon Aide John Dean Tells Bill Moyers that Bush Should Be Impeached
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0402-16.htm

Worse Than Watergate: Former Nixon Counsel John Dean Says Bush Should Be Impeached
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/4/6/worse_than_watergate_former_nixon_counsel

Missing Weapons Of Mass Destruction:

Is Lying About The Reason For War An Impeachable Offense?
http://writ.corporate.findlaw.com/dean/20030606.html

KO and John Dean on FISA with Telecom Immunity- 6/20/08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHbB78kYSn8
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20080702.html

John Dean on FISA
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20080702.html
Barack Obama and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Amendments:
In Pledging to Work to Remove Retroactive Immunity for FISA Violations,
What Kind of Action Is Obama Contemplating?

[MarjorieG]

1. Watergate hearings happened because of media and public support. Not there yet.

[omega minimo]

2. Oh that's right, People will care WHEN IT AFFECTS THEM.

:rant:

[glowing]

3. You need an "I'm too young"..

[omega minimo]

4. Yes, they "don't remember".... they were too young or not born yet..........

Anyone alive and out of grade school then remembers Watergate; maybe even younger than that... the hearings were on all TV stations all summer long.

[glowing]

5. ok, so I clicked for your "don't remember" which would seem to suggest that

I was actually alive to have forgotten, but alas.. you said that is my category.

[omega minimo]

9. "Don't remember" is not an accusation that you forgot!

:spray:

"Don't remember" includes everyone too young, okay? Is it that odd?

[BuyingThyme]

6. I guess this will just be deleted, but...

Obama's view of the presidency thus far tends to support many if not most of Nixon's most serious crimes. FISA, FOIA, etc. were put in place for a reason.

[omega minimo]

8. OK. And we need Independent Counsel, Hearings, Investigations and them to quit messing around

changing the subject when the issue is CRIMES were committed.

FISA was violated. They admitted doing so. They were not impeached. Not "strategeric."

This MBA version of democracy ain't cuttin it, BT. We need something done NOW that is not just a continuation of the shell game.

Do YOU remember Watergate?




Thanks for your post. This is not the purge forum AFAIK. :toast:

[truedelphi]

29. The game plan of the Powers that Be has worked well

Eight years of life in a Neo Nazi regime, that was FAR FAR FAR Right, means that we accept without question a regime that is only FAR RIGHT.

[MADem]

7. I remember Watergate clearly. It took a helluva long time to get

shit moving...

[omega minimo]

10. Certainly not 8 years long ............... .................

[MADem]

12. Well, BushCo didn't start to stink straightaway, if you remember recent history.

Nine Wun Wun happened less than eight years ago. For a year or so after Nine Wun Wun, way too many people were in a state of patriotic fervor and abject fear.

The shit didn't start to really stink until well into his first term--much like Nixon, who managed to get reelected as well, despite a growing stench.

Bush, unlike Nixon, was better at destroying records.

[omega minimo]

13. lower stink threshold:

clear moronic unqualified campaign demeanor

VP search villain from Nixon Era chose hisself

illegal stolen election #1

first week in office telling Kyoto Accord and planet to Go Fuck Themselves

selected Daddy's Iraq War I general as Secretary of State :evilfrown: (later sent out to lie with pitchers!! to Congress and People about WMDs)

chose CEO of Alcoa as Treasury Secretary who came right out and said on Tee Vee "corporations warehouses are too full of stuff, we need to give people money to buy it"

WAAAAAaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before the LIHOP.


The fact that we had 2 stolen elections and a repeat of his daddy's illegal war and you're comparing the timeline to Nixon, is all the more reason for some common sense

MAD AS HELL AND NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :wtf:

[MADem]

15. Well, of course people weren't going to like his choices.

But selections, like elections, have consequences. You can be assured the GOP hates Obama's cabinet picks, too, if that's any consolation to you.

The fact of the matter is that even those of us who were furious at Bush for stealing the election from Gore said "Well, if nothing happens, even though we're bullshit, we'll probably be OK. After all, Clinton left us with peace, prosperity and a surplus. You'd have to be a real idiot to fuck that up!"

He was a real idiot and he fucked that up. But it didn't become entirely apparent at the national level for some time. Check the man's approval ratings--they were freakishly and undeservingly high.

The fact of the matter is that Bush, like Nixon, managed to get reelected right before the shit hit the fan. Bush's credibility started taking a nosedive, even among the right-leaning centrists who gave him the benefit of the doubt, in his second, not his first, term. By the time he left office, only the twenty percent or so of diehard nutcases were with him. Rather like Nixon. The only difference is, Nixon got shown the door sooner. Bush was able to leave under his own steam.

[omega minimo]

17. He wasn't "reelected" and was never elected. The media enabled his bogus ratings.

All of which INSULATED the criminal behavior that in another era would have been addressed legally, appropriately and SANELY.

[MADem]

18. Fine. He did a second term, and his ratings tanked AFTER that term started.

You have a nice day, now.

[omega minimo]

20. OK you're right if we're talking perception management and then there's

reality..................... :hi:

[csziggy]

23. And there are still facts coming out that were not public at the time

I remember when the actual tapes were released, years after Noxin resigned. People were aghast that a President could be so crude. Tapes are still being released from that era and every time a new batch comes out, more things that were not known before are discovered.

I don't expect to live long enough to find out all the shit Bush/Cheney did to our country. I just want enough to come out to destroy that part of the Republican political machine and discredit the entire cadre. And enough so that the people will insist that our government be more accountable. I probably won't live long enough for that, either.

[MADem]

25. The Billy Graham tapes were the ones that floored me! NT

[omega minimo]

26. Nixon's Oval Office language a shocker. Then Cheney to Leahy "Go fuck yourself" on the Senate floor!

:evilfrown: :puke:

[omega minimo]

27. .

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Watergate was in another country for me

but I know the history ... damn you Dr. CHEEK! (thank you I love you)

[omega minimo]

14. What did it look like from where you were?

What was your impression of how the whole country was absorbed in the "reality TV"?

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. I was a young kid... but the news covered watergate every night

After all what happened in the US directly affected Mexico. So every newscast had at least ten minutes of it... and yes I watched it with Dad at the time, one of my early memories, that and Soccer on Sundays.

Of course this is also a time when news were heavily controlled in Mexico, after all Echeverria was NOT a nice man.

I still remember dad telling us to watch what we said on the phone...

[omega minimo]

19. Thanks NB I always appreciate your perspective, very much............

:hug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Oh you welcome, it was interesting to hear the adults though

I mean Echeverria was a local version of BUSHCO, and students went ahem missing... remember he ordered the 1968 massacre at Tlatelolco, and got the dedazo due to that... I know local politics. Anyhow, adults used to whisper that someday perhaps Luis would pay too. Here is a piece of trivia, Luis may actually stand trial for the crimes of '68... so there is hope that Bushco will as well. It just may take a long time.

[wiggs]

22. It's orders of magnitude huger than Watergate. It's the story of the century

that's being soft-peddled by almost everyone. All known in 2003.

[omega minimo]

24. Yup. Huger.

:hi:

[KharmaTrain]

28. The Hearings Have Already Begun...Where You Been?

There were Senate hearings yesterday with some damning testimony...including Zelikow all but putting the blame right on cheney's doorstep.

There are other investigations going on as well...surely not sexy enough for the corporate media to latch onto, but they're happening nonetheless.

Until January 20th, there was a huge shield of executive privilidge that prevented any real investigation...some of that cloud has now been lifted. We still don't have a fully operation DOJ...one that is still trying to clean the stench of the Monica Goodlings. On top of that there's an economy that's in freefall and two endless wars to confront.

Each day more revelations are coming forward and the push for greater accountability is underway. The fact this torture story is bigger than ever says its not going away. Justice doesn't move fast, but it can move thoroughly.

[truedelphi]

30. Zelikow really surprised the heck out of me.

He was quite ... Crystal ... CLEAR ... about who was to blame.

And he doesn't seem to fear Mr Cheney at all.

I wonder if soemwhere along the way he figured out the truth of the event whose truth seeking commission he was the head of. Maybe Zelikow does know where all the bodies are buried!

[omega minimo]

31. Where are the hearings on every channel of free network TV like back then? THAT

would be something and THAT would be the history lesson the OP mentioned.


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