Which is the bigger affront to gay rights? DADT or marriage inequality

[Cant trust em]

The point of this isn't to pit one against the other, but just a show of opinion. I hope this doesn't piss people off.

[sailor65]

1. If you stand by the position that none are free

until all are free, then you have to concede that both are equal affronts. The poll is invalidated.

[BlooInBloo]

17. (shrug) By that standard, nobody anywhere is free....

And hence the word "free" has literally no meaning, per that standard.

Idiotically parsimonious concept of "free" invalidated.

[sailor65]

26. You're trying to quantify a qualitative expression....

That doesn't work. I used that expression in my post because over the years I have seen it used as an illustration of GLBT situations by GLBT people. As a Quantitative analysis, of course it means nothing, but that's not the spirit in which it's used or impresses its meaning.

And I noticed your contribution downthread, where you basically state the same thing I did with a few extra asterisks thrown in?!?


:-) Peace

[Skittles]

2. they are equally disgusting and pointless

[Starry Messenger]

3. They are both an affront.

They are both awful.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

4. Flamebait push poll -- they're equal

[dorkulon]

6. Don't really see how it's a push poll.

The proof being I can't tell which one the OP is "pushing."

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

8. Well, it forces one to say one is worse than the other

I don't think the OP gives a shit about either, personally.

[dorkulon]

11. True, there should be a "both" option. /nt

[Cant trust em]

15. You're right. Sorry, but it won't let me edit the post now. nt

[Cant trust em]

14. You sure do jump to conclusions quickly.

[cherokeeprogressive]

5. My gay daughter will never join the military, but DOES want to get married.

I stand with HER.

[dorkulon]

9. What if she didn't want to get married, but wanted to join the military?

Just sayin'.

[cherokeeprogressive]

12. There is that and I understand your point.

It's a tough call. I know her though, and we've discussed this at length. I'll have to stand where she stands.

[Selatius]

7. Is this the Oppression Olympics we're playing here? nt

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

10. Apparently

This never ends well.

[demmiblue]

13. Part and parcel

I don't think that one can separate the two.

:shrug:

[MadMaddie]

16. Both

These are tax paying Americans contributing in various ways to America.

[Toasterlad]

18. It's All the Same Thing.

The perception that gay people are less than straight people. Everything stems from that.

[BlooInBloo]

19. If "bigger" means something along the along the lines of "directly affects more people"...

then clearly marriage. If bigger means something like "intrinsically morally worse", then it's a tie, along with every other wrong thing in existence - since, considered *solely* as wrong states of affairs, they're all equal, i.e. *wrong*.

What the measure is, depends in part upon the units of measure chosen.

[cherokeeprogressive]

20. I don't understand the animosity toward the OP.

In my time reading and posting here, I've seen general disdain for those who would join the military, I've seen their motives questioned, I've seen them called wannabe killers and thugs. I've read the oft-stated notion that the only people who would join the military in the first place were those whose station in life offered them no other choice, to wit oppressed "brown people" and underedumacated white trailer trash. I've seen them called cannon fodder who fell for lies told them by recruiters.

I don't know the poster, don't know his or her motives. Why this question brings such bad feelings given what I've read more than a few DU'ers post re US servicemen and women escapes me.

I must admit, I've only had skin in this game for the last six months. Maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm absolutely stupid. I'll admit to being ignorant. Ignorant is merely unlearned. I'm not ashamed of that. Either way, I'd like for someone to tell me what was wrong with the question. I've seen worse.

I replied earlier that I'd stand with my gay daughter. I still will. I know her feelings on this very question as we've discussed it at length. Marriage equality for her is the more important issue. Maybe SHE'S naive, having only come out in December. Who am I to say?

Can someone tighten me up on why the animosity here?

[dorkulon]

21. A theory

I'm guessing it has to do with the current debate about DADT, and the perception that this may be some subtle attack, either on the side of those defending Obama or those growing frustrated with his foot-dragging.

The question itself is fairly thought-provoking, and I don't really see an agenda behind it, but for a lot of people a neutral statement is like a Rorschach test; they see whatever they want in it. Sort of like how a conservative sees the NY Times as a pinko rag and liberals see it as a conveyance for right-wing propaganda.

[Fearless]

22. Marraiage inequality. At least DADT was passed as a way to compromise...

With a genuine attempt to help GLBTQers. Granted it's usefulness is now outdated. Still, I see marriage as more important than the armed forces. Just me though.

[bigwillq]

23. Where's the option for both?

:shrug:

[Cant trust em]

24. I wish they would widen the window where you could edit posts.

Does that answer the question?

[cherokeeprogressive]

25. I do too. But in this case, I'm thinking that you'd edit your question just because you were

bullied into doing so.

I don't think it was a bad poll. And here I am, the parent of a gay teenager.

Time after time I see people bullied here because of something they've said. Big tent? Sure, as long as your sleeping bag is the same color as mine...

[Cant trust em]

28. Some of the polls are limiting, so I don't mind adding something that I missed

But you do have a point on the tent.

[Cresent City Kid]

27. Two branches from the same tree

These issues and opposition to hate crime legislation come from the unwillingness to have the government say offically that it's okay to be gay.