For Those Who Hear "Hitler Was a Lefty"

[RandySF]

Glenn Beck and the crazies are scared to death and are doing their best to say Hitler, Nazism and neo-Naizs are a buch of "lefites". In the event you run across someone repeating that crap, I thought I would leave you the correct definition of National Socialism (Nazism) as was praticed in Germany. By the way, it seems perfectly decsribe a political party right here in America.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761560927/national_socialism.html

"National Socialism was similar in many respects to Italian fascism (see Fascism). The roots of National Socialism, however, were peculiarly German, grounded, for example, in the Prussian tradition of military authoritarianism and expansion; in the German romantic tradition of hostility to rationalism, liberalism, and democracy; in various racist doctrines according to which the Nordic peoples, as so-called pure Aryans, were not only physically superior to other races, but were the carriers of a superior morality and culture; and in certain philosophical traditions that idealized the state or exalted the superior individual and exempted such a person from conventional restraints."

[JuniperLea]

1. "...and exempted such a person from conventional restraints."

Sounds like a line from the Bush playbook.

[OneGrassRoot]

2. Anyone with a brain (and I realize that excludes much of their audience)...

wouldn't fall for this one. Racial and nationalistic supremacy is soooooooo a right-wing conservative issue.

They're exclusive, we're inclusive, big tent party and all.

Doesn't even begin to fit. But I'm sure they're gonna give it their best to make it stick this week, and it will with the dittoheads.

[inthebrain]

3. Hitler was such a lefty that the Republicans only choice was to run a Nazi Symp, Lindbergh against.

FDR.

In their world youda thunk that FDR was the Nazi Symp.

[kestrel91316]

4. If Hitler was a leftie, why in hell did he hate the communists and socialists

so much that he killed them just like the Jews? And why, if Hitler was a leftie, did Joe Stalin hate and fear him so much??

Sometimes the lack of coherent, logical thinking from the RW just boggles the mind.

[David__77]

8. He was, first and foremost, an anti-communist and a racist.

And these two things were, to him, inseparable and interrelated. Communism represented the death of the "volk"/race. No leftist there at all.

[Fuzz]

10. You didn't see this freeper post that explained that then:

The Muslims in WWII were part of Hitlers NAZI troops

NAZI equals :

National Socialist Party :

(”Progressives” like Obama & Hillary)

Progressives in the early 20th century were admitted radical Communists

Hillary recently said : “I am a Modern Progressive!”

Buy calling them a “liberal” upsets them terribly

The radical Socialist/Facist/Commies realize most Americans are too ignorant to know what a “Progressive” really was and is now

48 posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:41:48 PM by devolve ( . . . . Obama confiscated Teacher & Police Union pension funds? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2269205/posts


Hope that helps. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[rpannier]

13. Buy calling them a “liberal” upsets them terribly

A National Spelling Bee winner

[rpannier]

11. As I recall the famous words scrawled on the wall of a concentration camp began with

When they came for the Socialists I did nothing for I was not a Socialist

[aquart]

15. It's okay. They don't need it.

[Serenades]

5. Seriously

I don't know if I can take much more of this . . . I'm losing it.

[David__77]

6. He was a radical ecologist vegetarian.

He was definitely part of the "nature for its own sake crowd." That's exactly why I do not see "deep ecology" as a left-wing movement, but rather a right-wing one. Hitler's entire framework was fundamentally anti-humanist. That is not leftist or socialist in any sense. His collectivism was only a tool to enforce compliance to the state as a tool to exert his ideology.

[rpannier]

9. His vegetarianism was the result of stomach problems

He was not a vegetarian until he started getting stomach pains from eating meat

[Hippo_Tron]

7. Hitler was a lefty like the current Chinese Communist Party is communist

Just because National Socialism has the word "Socialism" in it doesn't mean that it's socialist.

[WeDidIt]

12. Liberals were thrown into concentration camps

Liberal Germans who would have otherwise been considered Aryan were killed by the Nazis.

So were Socialists and Communists.

[RandomThoughts]

14. That is complete double speak.

in various racist doctrines according to which the Nordic peoples, as so-called pure Aryans, were not only physically superior to other races, but were the carriers of a superior morality and culture; and in certain philosophical traditions that idealized the state or exalted the superior individual and exempted such a person from conventional restraints."


First off it makes that same stupid argument to get a people to claim self superiority, because once that is done, other groups can be treated as lessor people and not cared about.

But they make the claim of individual, and resisting conventional restraints. But their entire program was to create conformity to remove individual thought.

Liberalism, or the left, advocates for free thinking and diversity, not claiming one group is better but trying to find the best in every group. Freedom of expression, Freedom of speech, Freedom to be different is part of liberalism, and is against the authoritative states desire to conform and brainwash into one view that conforms to a type of seduction that lures a person to assume they are better, just so they can hurt others.


On the topic of Norse religion.

A brief article on Norse Religion.
http://www.visitnorway.com/en/Articles/Theme/About-Norway/History/Religion-in-Norway/

Thoughts on early Norse paganism
Within Jewish Muslim Christian beliefs, pagan or polytheistic religions, like that of the early Norse culture is actually fallen angels pretending to be Gods. With the same view of Roman and Greek deities. In this there is a natural disagreement between the two beliefs. Simply put pagan religions are in contrast to the monotheism of Jewish Muslim Christian beliefs.

Hitlers attachment to old pagan beliefs, would be seen wrong by Christians, Jews and Muslims, who's leaders speak of the idea that multi deities are fallen angels falsely claiming to be Gods.

The conflict of the beliefs of paganism and monotheism is pretty well explained in this article.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Polytheism

However there are some beliefs that the Norse myths are actually another way of telling the battle between God and the good angels, verses the fallen angels, but more in the idea of order and chaos, not good and evil. (However old Norse myths could not see the victory of Good(or order) in the end like newer beliefs have seen.)

Along with many other polytheistic religions, this mythology lacks the good-evil dualism of the Middle Eastern tradition. ... Thor, and the giants are not so much fundamentally evil, as rude, boisterous, and uncivilized. The dualism that exists is not evil vs good, but order vs chaos. The gods represent order and structure whereas the giants and the monsters represent chaos and disorder.
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Norse_mythology_-_Cosmology/id/596690

You can see the same classing of good forces, verses giants, demons, snakes, and the bad forces, just defined as order and chaos not good and bad, possibly because of the difficulty in understanding the paradoxes of such things like how some bad things happen to good people.


Edit: In my view, authoritative autocratic governments do not create order even though they are full of structure, instead they create tension that leads to people desiring freedom and that creates chaos because of oppression. Until moderate forms of government can govern with justice.

[RoyGBiv]

16. They think they're on to something new ...

I was wandering through Barnes and Nobel the other day, and on an end-cap near the history section was a blazing red and black book bearing a title the indicated it was supposed to be some "academic" argument about how national socialism and modern liberalism were the same thing. I dared not touch it for fear of the residue left by those who picked up the book because they were attracted to the concept.

I did complain about a modern political polemic being left in the history section, right next to the Kennedy brother's garbage book _The South Was Right_.

George Orwell (wearing his journalistic hat) wrote commentary on this stupidity 50 years ago.

One of the problems, though, is that very few people understand what was meant by using the terms "national socialism" together in that manner, and the argument gets derailed by a lack of understanding from all parties.

[struggle4progress]

17. Hitler was a lying power-hungry megalomaniac who built a party from street thugs and

authoritarian WWI veterans. The tactics of the party included techniques such as starting riots and then complaining about the lack of law and order. In its early days, the party diligently recruited all manner of locally-respected people to go out and push their favorite ideas as the ideas of the party; and as the party consolidated power, it dropped these idiotic pawns. The original core of the party was not only anti-Marxist (a view which may have had some popularity in some German circles after the 1919 Spartacists' insurrection) and anti-semitic (building support in existing volkish Wotan societies) but also anti-monarchist (another view which may have had some popularity in some German circles after the Armistice): presumably the anti-monarchists disappeared forever in various purges, such as the Night of the Long Knives, since the Nazi state was essentially a new monarchy. The Reichstag fire, which the Nazis themselves set, was officially blamed on the Communists and used as a pretext for repression. Although the party explicitly identified itself by name as a "Workers Party," it promptly outlawed trade unions after seizing power.

So Hitler was no "lefty" according to my understanding of events -- but rather than arguing about some vague and meaningless term such as "lefty," it might be more productive to examine the history in detail.

[ljm2002]

18. As usual, the Republicans and the rabid right...

...seek to muddy the waters, therefore making it impossible to have an informed discourse on any of this stuff. It works very well, and that is why they do it. It precludes thinking about actual issues; rather, it distracts with shallow "analysis" of movements by concentrating on a single word that the Nazis used in their party's name -- no doubt they, too, were playing the game of muddying the waters to make their party appear to be something it wasn't.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, these people read "1984" not as a warning but as a how-to manual. The right wing is using these tactics worldwide, and they know how to play into people's distrust of authority in a way that undermines all chance at having meaningful terms and therefore having any meaningful political discussion.

Bastards.

[-..__...]

19. Sure looks like he's a lefty to me...

at least in this pic...



:smoke:

[applegrove]

20. Didn't know GOP types were stilly trying to spread that faulty meme. Years

ago they were on the mixed boards claming Hitler wasn't wright wing.