Hugo Chavez STILL SUPPORTS Iran's Ahmadinejad, Calls Protests "Unfounded Campaign"

[RollWithIt]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/world/AP/story/1102300.html

CARACAS, Venezuela -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is standing by his man in the Middle East, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, even as hundreds of thousands of ordinary Iranians took to the streets Wednesday for the fifth straight day to protest his claim to a landslide re-election.

Chavez belongs to a small circle of political oddfellows who support Ahmadinejad, including the King of Swaziland; Hamas, the militant Palestinian organization; and Hezbollah, the radical Lebanese group.

The Venezuelan government, "in the name of the people," hailed the "extraordinary democratic development" that resulted in Ahmadinejad's victory Friday, according to a foreign ministry statement.

"The Bolivarian government of Venezuela expresses its firm rejection of the ferocious and unfounded campaign to discredit, from abroad, that has been unleashed against Iran, with the objective of muddying the political climate of this brother country," said the statement issued late Tuesday. "We demand the immediate end to maneuvers to intimidate and destabilize the Islamic Revolution."

I guess all of these people are just a "maneuver to intimidate and destabilize the Islamic Revolution" from "outside forces." WTF Hugo?








And these police were just, well, whatever, FUCK YOU HUGO!

[Dave From Canada]

1. I think it's time Venezuelan's started their own Iranian type protests. King Hugo needs to go.

His rule by decree is getting tiresome.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

2. IT'S A MISTRANSLATION

Why do you hate democracy and Jesus?

[HughMoran]

10. lol

:)

[liberalmuse]

3. Many years ago...

I had such high hopes for Chavez. It's too bad he's turned into a colossal ASS.

[Selatius]

4. Who cares? What's important is what is happening inside Iran.

And I generally don't think the Miami Herald is exactly a neutral source either.

[RollWithIt]

5. I care

When politicians support the brutality in Iran, it matters to me. I'm sorry it doesn't matter to you. And as for the Miami Herald, that's my hometown paper of record. If you would like to challenge the accuracy of the quotes from the Venezuelan foreign ministry then I will be happy to retract the entire thread. As far as I can tell, there is no "editorial" content in the article. It's simply a quotation of Venezuelan foreign policy. Venezuelan foreign policy is directed by Hugo Chavez.

[Selatius]

6. With all due respect, Hugo has no leverage inside Iran.

As a person whose parents lived under a communist dictatorship, my sympathies go to Iranian protesters. Now, if Hugo were selling tanks, warplanes, and bombs to Iran or sending over riot police to help crush demonstrators in Iran, then I would be singing a different tune. However, as far as I know, Hugo, although I disagree with his Ministry's statement, has not gone that far. He offers words, offensive they may be. Talk is cheap. Always has been. Always will be.

Hugo Chavez has drifted beyond what I had hoped out of him, but that's another story, and I'm speaking as somebody that favors more left wing reforms. The point here is that as far as the Miami Herald goes, I found FAIR to be a more accurate source of information historically speaking than the Herald, but then again, it would be unfair to single out the Miami Herald if I also didn't single out all the networks in the US that really fell down on the job when it came to covering the 2002 coup that attempted to install a pro-corporate military dictatorship in Venezuela.

[RollWithIt]

7. Fair enough, and I respect your position, but don't we need a new kind of dialogue?

Part of what bothers me right now, about Chavez, is that what's coming out of his government since Obama has taken office is just more of the same carried over from the Bush years. Chavez's rhetoric, which is strong, just hasn't matched up to what he originally claimed he would make happen. I also find that his overall strategy doesn't make a lot of sense. As of now the only strong bargaining chip Venezuela has is oil. With Obama in office it stands to reason that the lifespan of oil as a central need of American society is reduced by at least a decade (most experts would place it at 20 years tops with the advent of cheap electricity over the next two decades.) So with a dying resource, why continue to alienate? Too much ideology, not enough common sense. I'll leave it at that. I do respect your opinion though.

[Selatius]

8. He's thinking short-term. In 20 years, he'll probably be dead anyway or in retirement.

Chavez' government has run into budget deficits ever since the oil market massively crashed into the basement. He has been scrambling to try to find ways to pay for his social programs or risk running out of money trying to get people to buy Venezuelan government bonds. At that point, he could either raise taxes or cut programs, or he could do like Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe and simply print money. In Zimbabwe, because of the government foolishly printing money to pay for things, inflation has soared beyond 10,000%. It's worse than the hyperinflation seen under the Weimar Republic before Hitler came to power.

The only good news on the oil front for Hugo is that it is creeping back up to about 70 bucks per barrel of oil. He needed about 50 to 60 bucks per barrel to break even with his spending.

[camera obscura]

9. This is a mistranslation. Just as his actions to get rid of labor unions are mistranslated.

It's a culture gap, dammit! LEAVE HUGO ALONE!

[RollWithIt]

14. How is it mistranslated?

Confused. Could you point out the mistranslation. Please post the original release and compare it to the translation. lol!@ :-)

[camera obscura]

39. I'm just kidding... I just expect people to use that excuse so I thought I'd jump in first.

[RollWithIt]

43. Ah, gotcha.... Well, still no followup from Venezuela, no comment

I guess Hugo's silence after his supportive statement speaks volumes?

[provis99]

11. Chavez is warning Western powers not to get involved; you deliberately misunderstood

I checked the Foreign Ministry news releases, and none criticizes the Iranian protesters. There is a release which warns the US and European powers not to meddle in Iranian internal affairs. That's a whole different statement than the slanted version you push with your pictures. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[RollWithIt]

15. Ok, could you please post a link from the foreign ministry debunking what the Herald story quotes...

Lets make this about truth. Is the Herald story lying? If so, post a link. Then I will publicly link to this thread and apologize for my actions in error.

[RoyGBiv]

49. Oh, that's it, is it?

Or, put another way, Mr. Chavez's government is issuing statements implicitly blaming powers "abroad" of fomenting the demonstrations, just as the Ahmadinejad government has been trying to do.

No, he's not criticizing the protesters directly. He's undermining their reasons for protesting as invalid.

Someone should be ashamed here, and it's not the person who posted the news story about it.

[HughMoran]

12. IT'S A MISANTHROPE!!!

:rofl:

[AngryAmish]

13. As we knoiw, this is a mistranslation since nobody in Miami can speak Spanish

What he actually said, if you look at the source documents, is that he stands behind the will of the people of Iran. He knows firsthand how dangerous a coup can be. Since he was freely elected, and reelected, then the importance of free elections is paramount. Because he was freely elected, repeatedly and for life. The people of Iran should be as free as the people of Venezuela.

[RollWithIt]

16. Post a link, lol

Please! You say let me look at the source documents. Let me see them. Wait, Venezuelans are as free as Iranians. Damnit. All too confusing.

[Flaneur]

38. Here you go:

http://www.mre.gob.ve/Noticias/ Look for the communicado of June 16. Or just read it in Spanish here:

El Gobierno de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela, a nombre del pueblo de Venezuela, ratifica su reconocimiento al pueblo y al gobierno de la República Islámica de Irán por la extraordinaria jornada democrática que protagonizaron el pasado viernes 12 de junio, cuando tuvieron lugar unas elecciones presidenciales que registraron niveles históricos de participación popular y resultaron en la reelección del Presidente Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

El gobierno bolivariano de Venezuela manifiesta su más firme rechazo a la feroz e infundada campaña de descrédito que, desde el exterior, se ha desatado contra las instituciones de la República Islámica de Irán, con el objetivo de enturbiar el clima político de ese hermano país. Desde Venezuela, denunciamos estos actos de injerencia en los asuntos internos de la República Islámica de Irán, al tiempo que exigimos el cese inmediato de estas maniobras de intimidación y desestabilización contra la Revolución Islámica.

El pueblo y el gobierno de de Venezuela albergamos la certeza de que el pueblo iraní sabrá solucionar sus asuntos internos y continuará la senda de la Revolución Islámica.


The gist: The Venezuelan government congratulates Iran on its elections, which resulted in a victory for Ahmedinajad. The Venezuelan government rejects the "ferocious and unfounded campaign of discrediting" of the elections from the exterior. Venezuela denounces these acts of interference in Iranian affairs. Venezuela is certain the Iranian people will resolve their own internal affairs continue the path of the Islamic Revolution.

[berni_mccoy]

46. Google Translation

The Government of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, on behalf of the people of Venezuela ratifies its appreciation to the people and government of the Islamic Republic of Iran by the extraordinary democratic protests last Friday, June 12, when presidential elections were held which recorded historic levels of popular participation and resulted in the reelection of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The Bolivarian government of Venezuela expresses its firm opposition to the vicious and unfounded campaign to discredit it, from outside, has been unleashed against the institutions of the Islamic Republic of Iran, to roil the political climate of that brotherly country. From Venezuela, we denounce these acts of interference in the internal affairs of the Islamic Republic of Iran, while demanding an immediate halt to the intimidation and destabilization against the Islamic Revolution.

The people and government of Venezuela we have the certainty that the Iranian people will know how to solve its internal affairs and will continue the path of the Islamic Revolution.

[EFerrari]

17. Tyler Bridges is the Judith Miller of the MIami Herald. n/t

[RollWithIt]

18. All I ask is that someone debunk the article itself...

Provide a link debunking the translation!

[EFerrari]

24. Did, yesterday and for too long.

Do you see Tyler "let me sell you some bridges" quoting Chavez backing Ahmadinejad?

You don't. Because he isn't.

lol

[RollWithIt]

25. Ok, I'll make this really clear, LINK TO IT.... DEBUNK THE ARTICLE ITSELF!

The one I originally posted. Sigh.

[EFerrari]

27. I'll make this even clearer: Bridges alleges Chavez back Ahmadinejad.

But he can't produce even a single quotation to back that up. Capiche?

[RollWithIt]

29. Direct translation to Venezuelan statement

Government ratifies recognition to the Iranian town by reelection of Ahmadineyad

The Government Bolivariano of Venezuela rejected the ferocious and groundless campaign of discredit that since the outside has been untied against the institutions of the Islamic Republic of Iran, with the objective to cloud the political climate of that brother country.



The Government Bolivariano of Venezuela, through a communiqué emanated of the Chancellery, expressed its recognition to the Iranian town by the historic electoral day developed last June 12, which threw as a result the reelection of the current president of Iran, Mahmud Ahmadineyad.

Likewise, it rejected the ferocious and groundless campaign of discredit that since the outside has been untied against the institutions of the Islamic Republic of Iran, with the objective to cloud the political climate of that brother country.







That is from your own link below.

[EFerrari]

32. That's only a part of the whole. And it recognizes the official results

it doesn't "continue to back" Ahmadinejad. Did you read the post of mine from yesterday that I linked to?

[RollWithIt]

33. ok, whatever

You're full of it. Final statement. Nice try though.

[EFerrari]

35. Actually, YOU are full of it. Look at the last sentence of the

statement:

Comunicado

El Gobierno de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela, a nombre del pueblo de Venezuela, ratifica su reconocimiento al pueblo y al gobierno de la República Islámica de Irán por la extraordinaria jornada democrática que protagonizaron el pasado viernes 12 de junio, cuando tuvieron lugar unas elecciones presidenciales que registraron niveles históricos de participación popular y resultaron en la reelección del presidente Mahmud Ahmadineyad.

El Gobierno Bolivariano de Venezuela manifiesta su más firme rechazo a la feroz e infundada campaña de descrédito que desde el exterior se ha desatado contra las instituciones de la República Islámica de Irán, con el objetivo de enturbiar el clima político de ese hermano país.

Desde Venezuela denunciamos estos actos de injerencia en los asuntos internos de la República Islámica de Irán, al tiempo que exigimos el cese inmediato de estas maniobras de intimidación y desestabilización contra la Revolución Islámica.

El pueblo y el gobierno de Venezuela albergamos la certeza de que el pueblo iraní sabrá solucionar sus asuntos internos y continuará la senda de la Revolución Islámica.

Caracas, 16 de junio de 2009

El pueblo y el gobierno de Venezuela albergamos la certeza de que el pueblo iraní sabrá solucionar sus asuntos internos y continuará la senda de la Revolución Islámica.

"The Venezuelan people and government affirm that the Iranian people will know how to best resolve their internal affairs and will continue on the path of their Islamic revolution."

There is no siding with Ahmedinejad in that statement. There is siding with the wishes of the Iranian people.

Seriously, learn to read. And learn to spot propaganda so you're not played by hacks like Tyler Bridges.

[Greyhound]

48. But when the hacks propagate a lie that I agree with, it makes me feel good

to have my misconception verified.
;)

[EFerrari]

22. 6/2/09 Tyler Bridges admits he's a liar

On his blog today, soon-to-be unemployed LatAm hack Tyler Bridges (after all, he works for McClatchy) screams the title "Venezuela: economic squeeze begins".

Begins, Tyler? Begins?

B-b-b-b-but you and your merry band of helpers at The Miami Herald said Venezuela was in economic trouble in 2003.... and 2004.... and 2005..... and 2006.... and 2007..... and 2008...how come the squeeze you've been reporting all this time is only just starting? You must have been lying to the world and misleading them for years on end if you're now saying the squeeze has just started.

Ah, right, wait a minute....you're going for it now cos now you're linking other people saying the same thing, right? In the link you provide to an equally silly FP report, we get to hear:

"Unless crude oil prices continue to rebound and stay relatively high, we should expect substantially lower oil output from Venezuela in the coming years because of a lack of investment and possibly political instability."

Which is kinda cool to hear on the very same day that PDVSA announces a U$13Bn investment program for 2009! And to drive home the asinine nature of this analysis, the FP report thinks that it is revealing some hidden oracle-like truth when it says

"Venezuela is looking more and more like an "oil republic."

Oh for f***'s sake! Venezuela has been a full-on no-doubts oil republic for longer than most anyone can remember and will be an oil state long after Chavez's time is up. This Vincent Lauerman is actually getting paid to write this? And Bridges thinks it's worthy of linkage to prove a point? Stupid, stupid, stupid.

So, Tyler Bridges, you win this week's coveted award. You're even stupid enough to link IKN on your page, so do your readers a favour and remove the link.....after all, the last thing you'll want them to read is a bit of truth. Here's your prize, dumbass:



Labels: PdVSA, tyler bridges, Venezuela

http://incakolanews.blogspot.com/2009/06/tyler-bridges-admits-hes-liar.html

Here's Evo Morales, Just Eatin' Some Lunch Again FOR IRAN



Y'all remember that last month Bolivia, along with Venezuela, cut off diplomatic ties to Israel after some wingnut "center-left" Israeli prime minister decided the best way to "make peace" would be to raze Gaza, blow up a bunch of schools and hospitals and kill many hundreds of kids and grandmas, right? Now if we lived in a reasonable world, that would seem like a pretty sane, even understated, reaction. But we live in a world where the Uribe's get their Freedom Medals and the Kissinger's get their Nobel Prizes, so hey.

Anyway did you know that the bloody invasion and slaughter wasn't even the REAL REASON for the diplomatic breakdown? According to McClatchy correspondent (and longtime Miami Herald douchenozzle) Tyler Bridges, Bolivia "broke relations with Israel to protest the Gaza invasion -- even though Israel doesn't have an ambassador in Bolivia -- in apparent solidarity with Iran, an implacable foe of Israel."

There you go. It was all to impress you, Iran, for Valentine 's. Because, you know, Iran hasn't had diplomatic relations with Israel since Ayatollah Khomeini. But whatever, "solidarity," right? And it's Tyler fucking Bridges, so no need to document that or anything.

This bizarre and almost certainly false non-sequitur is all part of an even longer piece with "Iran" and "U.S. Backyard" in the headline, so you can only imagine...


Tags:

* Evo Morales
* Iran
* McClatchy
* Tyler Bridges



http://www.borev.net/2009/02/heres_evo_morales_just_eatin_s.html

Demon Cows Plot Our Demise



Sorry I got it so wrong last week. It is not the Iranian tractors we should be so worried about "meddling" in Bolivia but Iranian diary factories, and hospitals, and cement plants, oh my! Just read one of Tyler Bridges heart stopping paragraphs describing the terrorist operation:


In the meantime, some 90 Bolivians are building the Iranian-financed milk factory in Achacachi, a town two hours west of La Paz, the capital.

A few miles away, workers maneuvered wheelbarrows full of wet cement while others hammered away at the half-constructed factory.

Johny Zegarra, the crew foreman, said an Iranian representative had visited the construction site four times over the past month.


Good God, what next! Roofs? Then how will our satellites be able to see what happens inside?

But you know what's worse? Iran's investments are "only a fraction" of what the Venezuelans are pouring in. These Hugomaniacs are even trying to purchase the "hard hitting" paper La Razón, so hard hitting it even fabricates stories.

Even worse, Tyler Bridges doesn't have the patriotic balls to tell the American people that Venezuela's investments are only a fraction of the BILLIONS Evo's Israel hating government receives from selling natural gas to Brazil and Argentina. Clearly we ought to bomb all these countries until they learn to accept only good'ol US investments.

hat tip BoRev
Posted by El Duderino at 3:04 PM
Labels: Fearmongering, Iran, Tyler Bridges

http://casa-del-duderino.blogspot.com/2009/02/demon-cows-plot-our-demise.html

[RollWithIt]

23. Wow, that's a really long linking, care to actually address what the Venezuelan Foreign Ministry....

said on Tuesday? Or in other words, actually address my ORIGINAL POST?

[EFerrari]

26. Oh, I am. Tyler Bridges is a laughingstock.

And I already did this yesterday. If you want me to do it again, you'll have to pay me. lol

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5868209&mesg_id=5870503

[RollWithIt]

28. You don't understand Spanish do you?

Because what you are linking to proves my case.

Translation:

Government ratifies recognition to the Iranian town by reelection of Ahmadineyad

The Government Bolivariano of Venezuela rejected the ferocious and groundless campaign of discredit that since the outside has been untied against the institutions of the Islamic Republic of Iran, with the objective to cloud the political climate of that brother country.



The Government Bolivariano of Venezuela, through a communiqué emanated of the Chancellery, expressed its recognition to the Iranian town by the historic electoral day developed last June 12, which through as a result the reelection of the current president of Iran, Mahmud Ahmadineyad.

Likewise, it rejected the ferocious and groundless campaign of discredit that since the outside has been untied against the institutions of the Islamic Republic of Iran, with the objective to cloud the political climate of that brother country.













Sigh

[EFerrari]

30. Yes, I do and no, it doesn't.

Look at the closing statement. His position oouldn't be clearer.

It's all right, RollWithIt. If you want to bash Hugo Chavez, I will still love you and DU.

[AngryAmish]

41. You know, everyone is laughing at you

[EFerrari]

42. Lol. And that's supposed to what? I can read Spanish

and I know what kind of source Tyler Bridges is. Carry on!

[Prometheus Bound]

19. Russia: "..we welcome the newly elected president of that state (Iran)."

paragraph 11

[devilgrrl]

20. See the guy with the cane in the last picture? That's Hugo Chavez. He's wearing a wig.

He's able to be in two places at one time.

:popcorn:

[Prometheus Bound]

31. Oh, he's a meanie, that one.

But what do you expect from a commie, dictator, thug, and all-round, general-purpose bad guy?

I just sit here wringing my hands in worry and fury about what he'll do next.

[EFerrari]

34. THE CHENIS LIVES!

:rofl:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. What Would You Expect From A Fellow Piece Of Shit Dictator.

Fuck chavez.

[JI7]

36. Chavez is wrong on this but he isn't a dictator, he was elected by the people

[Bodhi BloodWave]

37. While i in general like most of OMC's posts

he has a slight blind spot when it comes to Chavez, and considering this closing statement "The Venezuelan people and government affirm that the Iranian people will know how to best resolve their internal affairs and will continue on the path of their Islamic revolution." i would have to agree with him

[BestCenter]

40. Chavez isn't a dictator, he just happens to support one. (n/t)

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

47. Yeah he was elected just like Ahmadinejad.

[tiny elvis]

44. pictures

Why aren't the police beating green people?

[AntiFascist]

45. and Chavez is supposed to be a Leftest?! n/t