Buchanan: (Pelosi's trip) "She's set the women's movement back

[babylonsister]

50 years, this was a fashion show, running her own separate foreign policy", blah blah blah. I really can't believe how ignorant this guy is.

[aquart]

1. Not ignorant. A deliberate tool.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

2. OMG, He's getting hysterical.

Nancy really brings our their true colors. MKJ

[bagrman]

3. Classic Repuke double speek,

[DURHAM D]

4. He is not ignorant - he has a problem with women.

I just love it when people who know absolutely nothing about women have something to say about the women's movement.

[rfranklin]

14. Calling Phyllis Schafly...she's the real expert on women....

and the women's movement.

[DURHAM D]

29. Her gay son knows more about it then she does.

I was forced to have dinner with her back in the late 70s (with 6 other people) and she is as she seems - a very sick woman.

[Maestro]

38. Don't forget Linda Chavez

Mrs "I wanted to be the labor secretary and I don't like unions to boot." And that is just one of her many misgivings.

[gollygee]

5. Oh yeah, he's an expert on the women's movement

LOL

[liberal N proud]

6. How does a woman showing that diplomacy beat bombs hurt women?

WTF?
These criminals are getting desperate now.

[gratuitous]

7. That must be why Congress' approval rating jumped 7 points this week

Buchanan, crawl back under your rock. It's a sunny day and your primitive little brain pan is getting overheated.

[Solly Mack]

8. snort

Cause he cares so deeply about women...

[Buzz Clik]

9. Set the women's movement back 50 years? Relative to ... him? That would be 1825.

[peekaloo]

10. Good gawd. A subject he's so very well versed in........

:sarcasm:

Puberty was cruel to ol' Pat, his voice never fully changed and he's still scared of women.

:rofl:

[madokie]

16. yep his little prunes never dropped did they

I guess that explains why he's all dick

[City Lights]

11. Pat wishes that were so.

But it's not.

Pat should really stick to discussing movements with which he has first hand knowledge - BMs.

[MADem]

12. What horseshit., Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if she was carrying water for BushCo.

She'd be the perfect emissary to say, ask Assad the Younger to pass on a message from the Monkey to the Supreme Leader of Iran.

It wouldn't surprise me if she was also doing some backdoor diplomacy on her swing through the region, AUTHORIZED by the administration, and 'plausible deniability' was in effect to misdirect any assumptions. After all, Condi is just hapless in the diplomacy arena--she's failed in the region, that's the consensus from the leadership over there.

That BushCo crew is so fucking unwelcome in that region that King Abdullah cancelled his state dinner here that's been planned for a year, because he doesn't want any 'guilt by association.'

[rosesaylavee]

18. Wouldn't surprise me...

but hope that she also had a little something else to communicate if she was carrying their water. We little people won't know will we?

[MADem]

27. Oh, I've no doubt that if she were carrying water, she was also doing her OWN fact-finding and

discussions, and that information will be helpful to the Democratic nominee, no matter who he, or she, may end up being.

It's common, though, to use unlikely diplomats when the shit gets ugly. Jesse Jackson has done it, so have many others.

The trick is not to 'associate' yourself with the remarks. There's no give-and-take, it's just that you repeat what you are told, without any major degree of commentary associated with the statements. You go, you sit down, and you say "George told me to ask you to call the Supreme Leader and tell him if he doesn't do 'X', that bullshit story he planted in the Russkie press will come true and the bombing starts at midnight. Could you manage that? Great, thanks. Now, let's talk about trade potential and perhaps a bit of mil-to-mil exchange after the 08 elections. We'll need concessions, and to move slowly, but it's past time you played a greater role in the region...."

At other times, a letter is delivered--like the old days.

Hell, not all that long ago, Ronnie Reagan sent a cake and a Bible (an AUTOGRAPHED Bible--geez, like he WROTE the damned thing!!! Love and Kisses, Ronnie??) to the Ayatullah Khomeini. Of course, he did that in SECRET, and hid it from Congress and the American people.

Sometimes, though, it's just easier to hide in plain sight--do a lot of public domestic carping about a member of the opposition--it allays suspicion and enables diplomacy to take place without a lot of press speculation that can interfere with delicate negotiations. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,962858,00.html

[babylonsister]

25. Wow. I can't imagine Pelosi 'carrying water' for this admin, at all.

She has as much disdain for them as we do, if not more. And why would she be getting so much heat from the admin if she was doing their bidding?

[MADem]

30. Believe me, it happens ALL THE TIME.

The reason for the heat, as I said, is 'plausible deniability.' Bush CANNOT talk to Assad, even if he wants to. Condi has FAILED as SECSTATE, as I said above. But he can easily send a message through Madame Speaker, while sending out his bozos to trash-talk her so that no one would suspect that this is what was happening. And Nancy wouldn't have any problem with it, for two reasons.

Patriotism, that quaint concept, and the REAL thing, not the false thing--the simple love of country and the desire for your country and people to be safe and secure--would be the first thing that motivated Madame Speaker to assist. It totally trumps politics.

The second motivator is the fact that if George says RIGHT, everyone paying attention goes LEFT. If he doesn't like you, you must be doing something right. It's a win-win for her.

[babylonsister]

33. I still don't buy it, but we're entitled to differences. I just don't see

Pelosi doing anything to enhance this admin; it's easier for me to believe she took the bull by the horns and went over there because she saw the need for someone to do so.

[frogcycle]

37. if the bushco crowd had an iota of patriotism I'd believe that n/t

[MADem]

41. It wouldn't be Monkey's idea. It would be Daddy's. Like how Poppy told him to dump Rummy and hire

his pal Gates.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. It must be hard on Pat's knuckles - dragging them around all the time.

[onecent]

15. They REALLY ARE afraid of Nancy, aren't they? Can she run for President of

the US. Oh how I wish. Someone please answer Because I really don't know.

[Eurobabe]

19. Don't see why not?

She's a Congresscritter.

[onethatcares]

20. I just read on another board, she's a felon

due to creating her own diplomacy without the consent of the shrub. When the hell did that law pass?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

26. What other board might that be? Good thing you got their talking point in here, though!

:hi: MKJ

[onethatcares]

45. that would be at the

bassfishing homepage website, politics subdivision. A whole bunch of right wingers(or one in the basement that tries to be everyone else) that think this war and king* are the bestest ever. Hell, they even think the federal deficit is a great thing.

[bluerum]

34. Phhhhhht.

[frogcycle]

36. unlike dennis hastert overtly trying to bypass clinton

[Canuckistanian]

17. Misogynists like Buchanan hate to see women show some competence

In his mind, they're supposed to screw up. Then a man comes in to fix things.

This is upsetting his "natural order".

[Annces]

21. Geenie is out of the bottle

All misogynists should move to another country.

[shain from kane]

28. Would I be a misogynist if I dreamed of Jeanie?

[Annces]

35. No

Looking at pics of her, she reminds me of Patricia Arquette in Medium, a modern version of I dream of Jeannie.

[shain from kane]

22. Mama quit breastfeeding him at age 2 when he showed his fierce teeth. Mad at women since.

[TerdlowSmedley]

23. And exactly WHAT does Pat Buchanan, of all freakin' people, know

about the women's movement? Any of you progressive gals out there pick ol' Pat Buchanan as your mentor, vis a vis feminism? Not me.

[kwolf68]

24. Ole Pat

Doesn't he have his culture war to get back to?

[buddinganarchist]

31. She is doing what Bush should have done.

Deplomacy works and we know it.

[babylonsister]

32. That's a fact, and welcome to DU, buddinganarchist!

:hi:

[buddinganarchist]

39. Hello Sister

Give me a hug beautiful. smile.

Anarchism for America. Yeaaaaaaaa.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

44. It's interesting that you cheer anarchism and diplomacy in the same breath.

MKJ

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

46. anarchy, edit time way past. Anyway, welcome, I'm sure you'll liven things up here.

:hi: MKJ

[tsuki]

40. He's a misogynist. Always has been. He just doesn't call

women feminazis like his pal Lush.

[bridgit]

42. Buchanan's politics peaked in the 30's it would seem, nothing either he...

or his strange sister have had to say has come anywhere near what's been going on *if* he were a talking head that would be one thing, but he's just yammering endlessly

[porphyrian]

43. Yeah, fucking buchanan speaks for the women's movement.

:eyes:

[AX10]

47. Buchannan wants to put women back into the kitchen.

That is conservativism.

[Cha]

48. Anything-that Loser Liar says is

automatically disregarded and the exact opposite proves to be true.

So Nancy Pelosi has set the "Woman's Movement" 50 years ahead(Ha Ha)..as if there needed to be one. Get over it, dudes..Women are Strong.

[anitar1]

49. He's another one who needs to retire. n/t

[WinkyDink]

50. Buchanan is just a more literate Hannity and O'Reilly.

[Nikia]

51. Why do any one woman's actions set back the woman's movement?

I don't think that she did anything wrong, but even if she had her foreign policy actions shouldn't have any affect on the woman's movement.
I hate it when people make statments regarding some woman setting back the women's movement or some black person setting back the civil rights movement by doing something that has nothing to do with either movement, but just by being a woman or by being black or any other minority group and doing something that someone disapproves of.