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optimal-tomato Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 01:08 AM
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Sarah Palin: Expressive Aphasiac?
Sufferers of this form of aphasia exhibit the common problem of agrammatism. For them, speech is difficult to initiate, non-fluent, labored, and halting... Language is reduced to disjointed words and sentence construction is poor, omitting function words and inflections (bound morphemes)...

While word comprehension is generally preserved, meaning interpretation dependent on syntax and phrase structure is substantially impaired. This can be demonstrated by using phrases with unusual structures. A typical Broca's aphasic patient will misinterpret "the dog is bitten by the man" by switching the subject and object. Patients who recover go on to say that they knew what they wanted to say but could not express themselves. Residual deficits will often be seen.


Emphasis mine.

Maybe that would explain the word salad that falls out when she opens her mouth. For example: "Our destiny to be reached by responsibly developing our natural resources. This land, blessed with clean air, water, wildlife, minerals, AND oil and gas. It's energy! God gave us energy."

Apparently Bob Woodruff has expressive aphasia... I'm just saying...
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 01:57 AM
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1. Histrionic Personality Disorder
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx17.htm">A pervasive pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, beginning by early adulthood...as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

Is uncomfortable in situations in which he or she is not the center of attention

Interaction with others is often characterized by inappropriate sexually seductive or provocative behavior

Displays rapidly shifting and shallow expression of emotions

Consistently uses physical appearance to draw attention to self

Has a style of speech that is excessively impressionistic and lacking in detail

Shows self-dramatization, theatricality, and exaggerated expression of emotion

Considers relationships to be more intimate than they actually are


With a side order of Narcissitic Personality Disorder:

Has a grandiose sense of self-importance...(expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes


Those who describe Palin as "unconventional" enable her--Palin is ALL ABOUT Palin. Except when she's called on her lack of logic, accountability, integrity, or competence, and in which case she blows off us "little people" as not having the capacity of comprehending her "higher calling."

:headbang:
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optimal-tomato Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 02:09 AM
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3. Histrionic Personality Disorder sounds 100% right.
It doesn't preclude expressive aphasia, but it explains a heck of a lot about her... unconventional behavior...
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 09:44 AM
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15. yes. this is it
throw in ADD while you're at it.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 02:03 AM
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2. And Terri Schiavo had a concussion. I saw teh videozz!!11 n/t
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 02:23 AM
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4. Uh no, not aphasia - just a ditzadoodle.
As someone who's run many an MSE, I can tell you she doesn't have aphasia. None of this fits, for starters - "speech is difficult to initiate, non-fluent, labored, and halting."


Bob Woodruff has aphasia because his brain was violated by shrapnel. Palin is just a ditzadoodle who lays on the "folksy" routine WAY too thick. She's trying to invoke fond memories of grandma in middle-aged, white, breadbasket America.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 03:15 AM
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5. ... or she could just be an idiot.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 03:24 AM
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6. Not even close to an accurate diagnosis, sorry.
Edited on Wed Jul-08-09 03:26 AM by Quantess
If anything, Palin's speech is more typical of a Wernicke's Aphasia, or Receptive Aphasia. "Word salad" is a characteristic of Wernicke's Aphasia. But, although we notice her incohesive ramblings, that does not mean she has aphasia.

Someone with Broca's Aphasia has intact comprehension, but has difficulty uttering more than a word at a time, or a short sentence.

Both types of aphasia are most commonly caused by stroke.

(I have a Masters in Speech Pathology.)
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 09:20 AM
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13. Is a Broca's brain ever inherited?
Or is it simply a stroke in the Broca area or nearby like the left frontal lobe?
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 12:44 PM
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21. No, Broca's aphasia is never inherited.
There is childhood aphasia, but if it is congenitally acquired, it is not Broca's.
The CVA would generally be in the left temporal lobe, near the motor cortex. Wernicke's is generally in the left temporal lobe, near the sensory cortex.
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 04:39 PM
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26. Okay, thanks.
I had often wondered about that.
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lbrtbell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 04:54 AM
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7. Untreated bipolar disorder
* Pressured, rapid speech that runs in circles

* Delusions of grandeur

* Erratic behavior
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:07 AM
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18. My husband said the same yesterday.
My argument was, that it would be odd for her to be undiagnosed and untreated, by the age she is. Can't imagine that her family or co-workers, or even she, would not have recognized the need for treatment by now.

OTOH, that may be part of the problem - that she's the elephant in the room no one is willing to talk about it.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 05:56 AM
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8. You guys all want to be armchair docs/shrinks and make it sound so complicated
when her problems with verbal expression can be summed up in five words:

"Didn't study in journalism school."
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 07:47 AM
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9. I think that she babbles to run out the clock...
...spending as much time as possible in answers so that she can avoid follow-ups that might pin her down.

I'm not sure that anyone could be very coherent with such an agenda. Obama, for example, isn't afraid of long pauses, and completes his sentences while nearly always addressing the point at hand.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 08:35 AM
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10. It's clearly Histrionic Personality Disorder
I know someone with HPD and she is EXACTLY like Psycho Sarah in behavior.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 08:47 AM
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11. I think in her case it's nothing more than that she's nuts
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 09:10 AM
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12. .


:headbang:
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 09:41 AM
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14. Nope. Just plain old bat-shit crazy.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 10:21 AM
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16. many normal people speak haltingly, oral communication is notoriously ungrammatical
written communication is a better indicator of this types of organic problems. it's perfectly normal to have false starts in oral communication as the speaker finishes formulating a thought, or in any event can't go back and edit the first part of the sentence.

this problem is exaccerbated by conflicting thoughts racing through ones head, which happens notably when one is lying. hence it is an occupational hazard for politicians. ask them a question and they'll instantly think of several answers, such as: the truth, the position they want to share with one set of donors, the position they want in the media, the position they share with their advisors, and the lie they told the last time they were asked that question. this makes a coherent utterance a challenge.

palin developed a speech pattern indicative of too much coaching, which evidently she took simply by listening to rush limbaugh and foxpropaganda all day. she's absorbed talking points and regurgitates them but has little experience in blending them coherently. i'm not convinced that she couldn't learn how, with experience and proper training, but evidently she has no patience for this sort of thing.
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firehorse Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 10:45 AM
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17. Sounds like Bush
Edited on Wed Jul-08-09 10:46 AM by firehorse
No wonder republicans like her:

"Language is reduced to disjointed words and sentence construction is poor, omitting function words and inflections (bound morphemes)..."
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:22 AM
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19. She should have prepared her remarks ahead of time and had someone
read through it and help her get it right so that she made more sense. But we know that she's too narcissistic for that.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:49 AM
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20. Speech patterns offer window into psychiatric disorders
http://record.wustl.edu/archive/1997/10-09-97/5200.html

Carol North, M.D., an associate professor of psychiatry and lead author of a paper in a recent issue of Comprehensive Psychiatry.---

It's a scene typical of daytime talk shows, America's showcase for dysfunctional living. The woman who fell for her jailed pen pal is talking at length with no obvious purpose. The host prods for details of the romance, but every answer is exasperatingly vague. "I just love him. He's so nice to me. I like to get his letters. I like to see the mailman."

Shows like this might not seem intellectually stimulating, but listen closely to those arguments, taunts and teary confessions and you might hear a perfect illustration of a breakthrough in psychiatry. School of Medicine researchers have discovered that people with certain psychiatric disorders also have distinctive language patterns that seem to reflect fundamental problems in thinking. The speakers use vague words and usually meander through conversations as if unable to focus on the main point.

These odd speech patterns, common on daytime talk shows, provide direct evidence that many people with antisocial personality disorder and somatization disorder (once called hysteria) also have imbalances in the brain.

<snip>

People with somatization disorder, almost always women, have never-ending complaints -- ranging from vomiting to paralysis --that can't be linked to physical illness. People with antisocial personality disorder might lie, steal and commit vandalism in childhood and progress to more serious offenses such as burglary and dealing drugs. Both disorders also seem to encourage poor decisions in friends, mates and lifestyles. A woman who marries a known wife-beater may well have one of the disorders, North said.

<snip>

She trained the psychiatrists to keep score of different speech patterns, including vagueness and meandering sentences. A subject would earn "vague points" by saying something like "Clinton's a good guy. He does good things." If asked about the weather, a meanderer might mention his dog, his breakfast and his dentist before getting to the humidity.

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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WCV-4CR9004-59&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=951713842&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=c33aa8ad440790957c728b52be5d55ba

Nonpsychotic thought disorder: Objective clinical identification of somatization and antisocial personality in language patterns

Abstract

This report describes a new method of using language patterns to identify somatization and antisocial personality (ASPD) disorders in clinical practice. A set of definitions describing characteristic speech patterns was developed to identify “nonpsychotic thought disorder” (NPTD). Speech patterns of subjects with somatization disorder and/or ASPD were compared with those of controls. Blind raters assessed audiotaped samples of speech obtained through openended interviews for instances of elements of NPTD. Women with somatization or ASPD had significantly more NPTD speech responses than controls, and women with both disorders showed the greatest amount. Antisocial men did not demonstrate more NPTD than controls, nor was somatization in men associated with NPTD. Clinical attention to speech patterns in patients may help alert clinicians to these disorders in women and serve as indicators for screening for these disorders. More study is needed to develop psychometric properties of the instruments on larger samples, and to identify speech indicators of personality disorder in men. It is likely that other personality disorders, e.g., borderline personality disorder, can be identified through speech patterns, and they deserve study with these methods.

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An "impressionistic style of speech" means that the person way of speaking tends to be strong on emotion / dramatics, but very low on details/reasons/specifics.
They seem to think in images, impressions. They can't seem to break them down or analyse them.

So, research shows that there are anomalies in the speech patterns of people with Personality Disorders....

The reading I'm finding on HPD (more common in women) emphasizes shifting loyalties in order to impress whomever the HPD person is with--to forge that supposed intimacy. They will turn themselves inside out and fawn on others shamelessly in order to get attention. In comparison and in my experience, NPD men (NPD and AntisocialPD are more common in men) don't behave in the self-abnegating ways that HPD's tend to. In other words, an NPD man is likely to back an opinion that can be used aggressively to manipulate and tear down another (similar for Antisocial PD, which some psychologists think is merely an extreme manifestation of N); whereas an HPD woman flirts, is overly and inappropriately intimate and sexual, and acts excessively submissive to another's opinions in order to manipulate.

So, HistrionicPD doesn't sound so much like Palin to me--- Palin seems more Narcissistic PD--her worldview is the only correct one, she is chosen by god, she is entitled to great favors due to her special status, she craves attention, she is aggressively uncaring of other people and uses them to her advantage.

NPD is more common in men, and these men are often cold and controlling, but my opinion is that women would be likely to use socially feminized behaviors, i.e. inappropriate self-sexualization to accomplish the control and attention seeking...winking, flirting and other ways of drawing attention to sexual attractiveness. In terms of their family, I believe a woman would be likely to use their children as pawns, sacrificing their children's lives for their own interests and even using pregnancy as a bid for attention and special status.




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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 01:17 PM
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22. Nah, she's just a stupid, uneducated bimbo who thinks word salad will
suffice, along with red shoes, short skirts, and winks.
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appal_jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 02:01 PM
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23. Excessive Aphrodisiac
The biggest problem with Caribou Barbie is that she serves as an Excessive Aphrodisiac for too many rw loonies.

Well, that and she's batshit crazy and hateful besides.

-app
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 02:04 PM
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24. Why does everybody go for the most dramatic explanation possible? She's just a fucking idiot.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 02:07 PM
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25. I bet if she talked about something she knew about
she'd do better. She is way out of her depth in politics.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 10:42 AM
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27. dupe, sorry n/t
Edited on Thu Jul-09-09 10:45 AM by rocktivity
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 10:51 AM
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28. She is just an ignorant bimbo
who got by with "cute" when she was young but approching middle age is making her crazy.She just keeps on talking in the hope that she is impressing someone.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 06:44 AM
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29. Kick. n/t
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 07:06 AM
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30. I would guess she's having an identity crisis
She has had a self-image based on (in her mind) being beautiful and capable, and so far this self-image has served her well. Not only has it been her own self-image, but people around her seem to have supported her in believing this.

However, with the national exposure that running for vice-president has created, all of a sudden she's confronted with the concept that not everyone thinks she's so terrific. She's been attacked for being a bad governer, a weak thinker, a poor speaker, and worst of all, a bad mom.

She seemed very upset when she gave her resignation speech, and I sense that she's worried about being seen as a failure. She's trying to bail out before the ship sinks on her watch.

I think her resignation was a last-ditch effort to maintain her sense of self that she has clearly grown over many years.

(Plus, I would guess she's a little narcissistic and/or bipolar.)
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