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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 08:51 AM
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Howard Dean: "This Is Ridiculous. We're 60 Years Behind the Times"

During the 2004 presidential primaries, the conventional wisdom among Howard Dean's energized supporters was that the over-the-top conservative attacks on the Vermont governor reflected the degree to which the right feared his nomination. With his blunt, plainspoken populism, the argument went at the time, Dean represented a threat to the Bush administration's prospects for re-election that his more polished Democratic opponents lacked.


Five years later, and it may be the "disease care" industry -- now spending $1.4 million each and every day to lobby lawmakers against implementing significant health reforms -- that may be sweating Dean's simple, but uncompromising, brand of politics.


In his new book, Howard Dean's Prescription for Real Health Care Reform, the physician and former candidate explains what makes the American health care system the most expensive in the world but nowhere near the best. He calmly destroys the industry's arguments against substantial change and offers a plan to give everyone access to quality health care at a price that won't break the bank.


AlterNet caught up with Dean to discuss the book and the larger political landscape in which the debate over health care is taking pace.


Joshua Holland: In your new book, you offer a prescription for fixing our ailing health care system. You lay out the scope of the crisis really well, both in human terms and in terms of the costs -- the financial burdens our system places on households and firms. And like the plan that Obama has laid out, like the Hacker Plan, your prescription revolves around a robust public health insurance option. Can you explain in a nutshell what that is -- what that looks like?


Howard Dean: In a nutshell, it looks like Medicare. We've had a single-payer in this country for 45 years, and the Republicans have used the same language today that they were using in 1965 to denounce it. And it works really well.


It has its faults like every system, but it is cheaper, it is more efficient and a far smaller percentage of dollars that goes into it is spent on non-health-care items. It's about five times as expensive to insure yourself with a private health insurance than it is with Medicare. So that's what the public option looks like. It's what we've had -- and your grandparents, and your parents have had -- for years.


JH: Now, you note that the debate has shifted over the years, from "how do we cover the uninsured?" to "how do we contain out-of-control costs?" So, in terms of this public insurance option, it'll result in a very large insurance pool, which will give it the ability to negotiate better prices and cut down on overhead. Can you just give me a little bit more on other ways that it might help contain costs?


HD: Well, there are two ways it contains costs. The first is that, of course, it's a huge pool. The second is, in terms of containing costs for ordinary Americans, can't and won't engage in the kinds of things that private insurance companies do. They don't have bureaucrats who second-guess doctors and make bad medical decisions. They don't pay extraordinary amounts of money for repeat procedures -- at least they do that less than the private sector does. They don't pay chief executives in the seven-, eight- or nine-figure range for their salaries. They don't have to advertise.


So it's much cheaper and more effective and efficient to control costs if you have a large public option. And the other thing about this is that the American people get to choose. You know, the Republicans are screaming and yelling about socialized medicine. Well, let the American people choose -- if they don't like it they won't choose it.

http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/141129/howard_dean%3A_%22this_is_ridiculous._we%27re_60_years_behind_the_times%22_on_fixing_health_care/
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 08:53 AM
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1. I really like Dean. n/t
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 09:09 AM
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2. For all the reasons Dean pointed out, a public option is the right solution to healthcare reform...
It is amazing how the entire process of providing Americans with quality healthcare became a 'for profit enterprise.'

Why should anyone 'profit' off the pain and suffering of their fellow man just so shareholders and corporate officials can receive huge sums of money? It really is outrageous.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 12:04 PM
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5. I couldn't agree with you more.
I'm old enough to remember the days when you could see any doctor and have whatever test or procedure that doctor prescribed. I want my doctor rather than an insurance company help me make medical decsions for myself.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 12:15 PM
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7. When my republican co-worker was droning on about socialism...
and corporation's god-given rights to make profits,
I told him that health care was NOT Coca-Cola.

That we're talking about LIVES here, not products
that people can choose not to buy.

I think I'm breaking him down, little by little.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 07:44 AM
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16. Resistance is often futile
when you confront them with their own hypocrisy. My elderly aunt, a rabid repuke, gave me a strong piece of her mind about the evils of "socialized medicine" and how it imperiled our democracy, etc, ad nauseum. I reminded her that she benefits from Medicare, the most successful "socialized medicine" health care program in the nation, while other decent hard-working Americans went without health care benefits of any kind. She shut up mighty quickly when I suggested that her attitude of "I've got mine, you go get yours if you can" was patently discriminatory and has nothing whatever to do with the imperiling of democracy.

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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 05:52 PM
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19. I am now dying to run into an elderly repuke!
:yourock:
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 09:11 AM
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3. It is amazing how simply the argument can be made.
The insurance industry throws out gobs of conflicting messages whose purpose is only to confuse. If you are confused then, obviously, the subject is too complicated for ordinary people to understand, so you MUST trust the experts - namely them.

When facing things that are overly complicated a lot of people, maybe most people, just shut down.

They don't dare let us get the idea that it is NOT all that complicated.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:21 AM
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4. Kick
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 12:06 PM
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6. Imagine how better off this country would be right now if this man had been elected President in '04
Fuck every last member of the DLC in the ass with a rusty chainsaw, for what they did to prevent that. :grr:
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 01:13 PM
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8. Not only that, but I'm wondering . . .
hasn't Medicare historically mostly covered the elderly and others who are most LIKELY to need treatment? So if it covered EVERYONE, the pool overall should be healthier, so costs per person should go down?
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 03:26 PM
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12. WE all pay into it throughout our lives
The elderly get covered. Your point is still correct, however. The pool would be the entire nation, and they would all be covered.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 02:43 PM
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9. k&r
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 02:44 PM
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10. K&R
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 03:22 PM
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11. Recommended for Howard.
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CrownPrinceBandar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 03:40 PM
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13. Proud Deaniac from way back...........
Go Howard.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 09:28 PM
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14. rec#34! THANK YOU for posting this!

:applause:
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 10:16 PM
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15. K&R
:kick:
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 08:11 AM
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17. K & R!!
Also a Deaniac, and VERY proud to be one, from 2003! :kick:

This part bears repeating ... and repeating ... and repeating ad nauseam: "So it's much cheaper and more effective and efficient to control costs if you have a large public option. And the other thing about this is that the American people get to choose. You know, the Republicans are screaming and yelling about socialized medicine. Well, let the American people choose -- if they don't like it they won't choose it."

YYEEESSSS!!! :woohoo: :applause: :applause: :bounce:
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 08:26 AM
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18. Go Doctor Dean !! K&R !!
The for-profit privatized US medical system has had over a decade since they last stomped out national health insurance to prove how much better they were and they have failed.

They've had over a decade to show us how much better the privatized system is and they have not proven their case.

Enough already. Time for a new approach.

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