3rd racist remark about our president from Honduran coupster serving as foreign minister.

[EFerrari]

DAILY KOS
"A third quote by Ortez Colindres surfaced yesterday, made during an interview with a Honduran television station and cited in El Tiempo newspaper:

"He negociado con maricones, prostitutas, con ñángaras (izquierdistas), negros, blancos. Ese es mi trabajo, yo estudié eso. No tengo prejuicios raciales, me gusta el negrito del batey que está presidiendo los Estados Unidos."

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"I have negotiated with queers, prostitutes, leftists, blacks, whites. This is my job, I studied for it. I am not racially prejudiced. I like the little black sugar plantation worker who is president of the United States."

The U.S. ambassador to Honduras, Hugo Llorens, responded in the strongest possible terms yesterday:

As the official and personal representative of the president of the United States of America, I convey my deep outrage about the unfortunate, disrespectful and racially insensitive comments by Mr. Enrique Ortez Colindres about President Barack Obama.

Statements like this are deeply outrageous for the American people and for me personally. I am shocked by these comments, which I condemn in the strongest terms. "

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/8/751242/-Honduras:-El-negrito-del-batey

This is the face of the right wing upper class in Honduras, and in fact, in Latin America. They are related ideologically to Sarah Palin and Rick Warren but are "whiter" than both put together. These are the people that start smears of Chavez, that are trying to assassinate Evo Morales in Bolivia and to sabatoge Rafael Correa's efforts to force Exxon to clean up the disaster they made in Ecuador.

They are the scum of the earth, with apologies to actual scum. I'm horrified at this man's comments and hope that Obama knows exactly what kind of people he's dealing with. They've gone out of their way to present themselves as they really are.

[DJ13]

1. He's just trying to emulate the Venezuelan dictator model

If he can goad a US response he thinks he can use an anti-American sentiment to cement some support.

[Chulanowa]

3. The what model?

Is there some parallel reality where Venezuela is ruled by a racist dictator?

Oh no, it's just DU's Banana Republicans barking again.

[DJ13]

15. The racism isnt the point

Stirring up a US response is the point.

[EFerrari]

4. Yeah, I said the racist right wing upper class.

:hi:

[Hugabear]

7. That "dictator" you refer to was ELECTED

And I don't recall EVER reading or hearing about Chavez making such blatantly racist comments.

[EFerrari]

8. He would be insulting himself. On the contrary, wingnuts call Chavez

"the Indian" in their blog posts, with all the ugliness that term musters in their circles.

[paulsby]

37. just for the record

just because somebody was elected does not eliminate the possibility of them becoming a dictator. history is full of examples.

[EFerrari]

38. Yes, and I could grow another head over night.

The problem with that thesis is that the Chavez government has actively worked to raise not only the literacy level of the public but also their direct participation. Neither is a great move if you plan on going Stalin all over their @sses. :)

[paulsby]

39. and you clearly have an issue with reading comprehension

i didn't say chavez was or wasn't a dictator. i said the fact that he was elected does not negate the possibility that he is or will become one.

[EFerrari]

40. Well, Paul, no I don't. I directly challenged your implication

that somewhere down the line, he could become one was any more likely than I was to grow another head.

You don't control a people by giving them more access to their own Constitution.

And by the way, my grad degree is in reading. :)

[paulsby]

41. then you need to get a refund

my degree (undergrad) had an emphasis on analytical reasoning, so ;p

you brought up the FACT that he was elected, as an offer of proof towards refuting the allegation that he was a dictator.

all i did was point out that being elected does not eliminate the possibility that he is. people can be elected and be dictators. i did NOT say, nor did i imply that chavez was a dictator.

personally, i don't think he is a dictator. a putz, yes. but not a dictator.

[EFerrari]

42. Right. You brought up the possibility that he could become a dictator.

And I refuted that by pointing out that if your aim is to control the public, you don't teach as many of them as possible how to read their Constitution or try to herd them into political activism.

And I will just ignore your dumb attacks on my reading comprehension.

lol

[paulsby]

43. yes, he could

just like ANY other elected official can.

[EFerrari]

44. But I wasn't talking about your imagination, I was pointing out his track record

which is the best predictor of the future. You could also become a dirty cop. I could become an animal abuser. My condo oould become a space ship.

[paulsby]

47. i was responding to your point

is the fact that he was elected, relevant? yes. arguably, an elected official is LESS likely to become a dictator . however, it's not dispositive. that's my point

[EFerrari]

49. Fine. And the argument that at some future point he *could* become a dictator

fails basic logic because it doesn't talk all available information into account.

[paulsby]

50. only if you don't understand basic logic

which you clearly demonstrate. he, or ANY elected official could become a dictator. that's all i said. you were the one that inferred all sorts of stuff. i didn't imply it

[EFerrari]

52. Basic reasoning demands that you don't exclude information in hand.

Which you clearly do.

[14thColony]

51. Castro did. The Soviet government did.

Illiteracy in rural Cuba was 23% when Castro came to power. By the end of the 1960s it was at 4%. Today it's less than 1%.

Likewise the Soviet government reached nearly 100% literacy for their population by the 1960s, quite a feat given the state of education for the peasant and working classes in 1917.

Your contention that expansion of literacy rates is evidence that a leader can't/won't become a dictator is historically unsupported by these and other similar examples of authoritarian or totalitarian states that did precisely that.

I am not asserting that Chavez is or plans to become a dictator, just that this particular argument as evidence that he won't is rather flawed.

You could counter that Castro and the Bolsehviks originally came to power as populist leaders who honestly wanted to bring relief to the non-noble/non-bourgeoise classes of society, and only later did they become corrupted into assuming total and unregulated power. Of course one could argue that nothing inherently prevents Chavez from going down the same path given enough time. Certainly history indicates that the mere fact of his democratic election to power is not much of a guarrantee that this will never happen.

[EFerrari]

53. Umm, you need to show your evidence for these outlandish claims

and you might want to start with literacy.

lol

[14thColony]

57. Don't mind me. I make up outlandish stuff all the time.

Unsubstantiated wild claims about national literacy rates are a bit of a hobby of mine. Beats stamp collecting!

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/castro/sfeature/sf_views_uriarte.html (see third paragraph)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/CU.html (substantiates literacy rate of 99.8% as of 2002 census)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/castro/peopleevents/e_precastro.html (see second paragraph - Batista era literacy rate was 76%, which means an illiteracy rate of 24% unless my calculator's busted again. Therefore evidence strongly indicates the increase from 76% to 99.8% is a result of Castro regime policies. Since regime stated this was in fact their policy, seems we have clear cause and effect.)

http://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/government/1928/sufds/ch21.htm (see paragraph entitled "LITERACY" - 1897 census, 37.9% male literacy; by 1926, 65.4% male literacy - only 9 years into the Bolshevik/Soviet era)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_Soviet_Union (extensive discussion of the comparatively rapid expansion of literacy in the USSR, with primary sources cited for further reference - note rates for 1930s and later decades showing steady increase in literacy)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/RS.html (substantiates 99.4% literacy rate of Russian Federation as of 2002 - presumably you'd be willing to admit that this was not miraculously attained in the 10 years since the collapse of the USSR?)

Thankfully I have many co-conspirators willing to make up outlandish facts to support my outlandish claims. They got my back.

Well, it's nearly 2am where I am, so this is it for me.

Good night.

[EFerrari]

59. I just realized, we're misreading each other.

lol

Have a good night.

[malaise]

62. Ding ding

Which corporation owns this lunatic?

[jgraz]

20. Man, it must be nice to be able to blindly follow whatever the MSM pundits tell you

All that pesky thinking gets tiring after a while.

[roody]

69. What racist comments has Chavez made?

[Poll_Blind]

2. The Honduran coup is up to their nooses in dumb.

I can hear the tune getting louder but I suspect they'll be the ones dancing.

PB

[EFerrari]

5. They asked INTERPOL to put out a warrant on Zelaya

and INTERPOL told them to go get bent.

[Poll_Blind]

6. I actually couldn't stifle a chuckle out loud as I read that- Yeah, I bet they did!

That's just some silly shit, right there. I was reading they have all these charges the coup govt. wants to file against Zelaya and it's so pathetically transparent what they're trying to do.

It just shows how detached they are from reality which, in the seriousness of a situation like this, still warrants them no quarter in my book.

PB

[EFerrari]

9. INTERPOL pointed out the contradiction in wanting to arrest Zelaya

but not allowing his plane to land in Honduras. lol

There people are wealthy and live in a bubble. They don't fear the law or even the laws of common decency because they've never been subject to them.

[Poll_Blind]

16. Ha! Indeed, indeed! Hey, I don't know if you got a chance to...

...check out this thread, but it shows off how they like to use fear to increase their influence. This DU thread, titled:Honduras and a Naked Woman in Venezuela. I grabbed the ads he talks about and once you get a look at them you can see how insidious this kind of bullshit propaganda machine tries to instill as much fear in the people as possible. Sponsored, at least in part, by organizations in the U.S., IIRC.

:puke:

PB

[EFerrari]

17. They did this same thing before the omnibus referendum that failed.

Everyone was so focused on the term limit issue but that was just one of many. That time, they told people their children would belong to the State! And yeah, the State Department gives NED money to these groups. :shrug:

[pnwmom]

10. Here's a picture of the thug. (Photos speak volumes.)

[EFerrari]

11. There's an error message there?

[pnwmom]

12. Got it fixed. n/t

[EFerrari]

13. There you go. Here's another little one:

[pnwmom]

14. That appears to be from his younger days. I prefer the other one.

It's more "him."

[EFerrari]

18. He looks a little like Jabba the Hut in khakis. n/t

[pnwmom]

19. LOL. n/t

[rabs]

21. Racist golpista is no longer foreigner minister

Even the golpista leader Goriletti must have realized how much of a dumbass embarrassment the idiot Ortez is.

Ortez was replaced yesterday (Wednesday) by the former ambassador to Washington, Roberto Flores.

Goriletti then proceeded to name Ortez minister of Governance and Justice. :shrug:


Source: La Prensa newspaper of San Pedro Sula, Honduras.

Tegucigalpa, Honduras

El presidente Roberto Micheletti nombró ayer al embajador Roberto Flores Bermúdez como nuevo ministro de Relaciones Exteriores, en sustitución de Enrique Ortez Colindres.

Según informes radiales difundidos desde Casa Presidencial, Ortez Colindres se desempeñará ahora como ministro de Gobernación y Justicia.

[EFerrari]

22. OMG. Are there only three of them wearing all the hats?

I've yet to see a single one of them that should go any where near a microphone.

[rabs]

23. Forgot to include the link to La Prensa

that names all the other ministers Goriletti swore in. Assume someone will do research on the other ministers, a cabal of crooks and thieves perhaps.

http://www.laprensahn.com/Ediciones/2009/07/09/Noticias/Roberto-Flores-Bermudez-nuevo-canciller

[scarletwoman]

24. k&r -- What you said...

This is the face of the right wing upper class in Honduras, and in fact, in Latin America. They are related ideologically to Sarah Palin and Rick Warren but are "whiter" than both put together. These are the people that start smears of Chavez, that are trying to assassinate Evo Morales in Bolivia and to sabatoge Rafael Correa's efforts to force Exxon to clean up the disaster they made in Ecuador.

I find it confounding and infuriating that there are people on DU who take the side of these racist colonialists, regurgitating the foul lies and propaganda that these scum churn out.

Thank you for keeping the truth alive.

sw

[Lydia Leftcoast]

26. Yes, it's especially racist since Honduras has more black people than white people

Only 1% of the population of Honduras is of pure European decent, and as in most Latin American countries, they still have the colonial mentality and believe that it is their right to rule over those black and brown people.

[EFerrari]

30. Exactly. And this coup is about race as much as it is about economics

in the sense that in trying to bring the people into the democratic process, Zelaya was rocking that 1%ers' boat.

[EFerrari]

28. These people are the same people who want to deny us health care at home,

who line the pockets of Wall Street while we lose our homes and who are FINE with stealing elections on the backs of black and Native American voters.

Same deal, different location.

[scarletwoman]

56. Also the same people who murder Indians in Peru.

They are filthy bags of skin who do not deserve to be called human. I am so sick of greedy destroyers rolling over the common people of the world!

[EFerrari]

63. That's right. They suppressed the number of deaths among Indians

and tried to garner support for the police attacking the people. :puke:

[conspirator]

25. Ortez Colindres hijo puta nt

[Blue_Tires]

27. wow...the man must be insane

[EFerrari]

29. The kind of privilege he enjoys is a lot like Junior's.

No consequences for him.

[anonymous171]

31. Fucking fascist asshole. nt

[redqueen]

32. Good.

I like that this ratfucker is making it less painful for the RW loons here to support him.

[EFerrari]

33. How bizarre is it that this thread was unrec'd like 8X today.

lol

We have company!

:hi:

[redqueen]

34. I've seen plenty of DUers agreeing with the coupsters.

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

35. The coupsters' rhetoric is exactly like the Republicans.

They drape themselves in the flag while they're rolling all over the people. I guess if you forget that, they can sound good?

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

36. Thank you, rerecommenders!

LOL!

:loveya:

[scarletwoman]

55. I'll add my thanks. I recommended this thread last night, so I couldn't do anything

to counter the unrecs today. I'm very happy that others stepped up to the plate.

sw

[HughMoran]

58. Notice the total number of votes now?

According to that count, you have 21-1 votes, only one unrec vote.

[EFerrari]

60. I'm a liberal arts major. Don't ask me to do simple math.

lol

:hi:

[subcomhd]

45. jose el plomero strikes again

k&r

[EFerrari]

46. LOL!

[Renew Deal]

48. We should drop a bunker buster on this idiot.

I doubt he'll have much to say after that.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

54. Another notable graduate of The School of the Assassins...er Americas. K&R

[EFerrari]

61. Between the money we give to the military and the money we give to right wing groups

we should get credit for kidnapping Zelaya ourselves. :crazy:

[scarletwoman]

64. Do you think we could start a movement to kill the NED?

We would certainly be doing the world a huge favor. It would be one less rats nest of corporate vermin out there fucking with people's efforts to liberate themselves.

[EFerrari]

65. You know who is charge of it right now? Dick Gephardt.

Such a sweet face, such a dirty project.

[scarletwoman]

66. Hah! Someone should throw a good punch into that "sweet face".

I NEVER could stand the guy -- fucking mealy-mouthed lying sack of shit.

[Wednesdays]

67. K&R

:kick:

[malletgirl02]

68. Coup

Thank, you for posting this, but I wasn't sportive of the coup before I heard of these statements. what gets me is that initially many DUers supported the coup. some were even comparing it to the protest in Iran.

[EFerrari]

71. Yep. That was pretty strange. n/t

[western mass]

70. Maybe he's auditioning for Fox News

[EFerrari]

72. It would make a great demo tape for Fox.

:)

[noiretextatique]

73. kick

if anyone on DU supports these assholes they need to move to the other site.