Here comes the MSM Attack: Independents Edging Away from Obama

[SuperTrouper]

EXCERPTS:
In a potentially alarming trend for the White House, independent voters are deserting President Barack Obama nationally and especially in key swing states, recent polls suggest.

Obama’s job approval rating hit a — still healthy — low of 56 percent in the Gallup Poll on Wednesday. And pollsters are debating whether Obama’s expansive and expensive policy proposals or the ground-level realities of a still-faltering economy are driving the falling numbers.

But a source of the shift appears to be independent voters, who seem to be responding to Republican complaints of excessive spending and government control.

“This is a huge sea change that is playing itself out in American politics,” said Democratic pollster Doug Schoen. “Independents who had become effectively operational Democrats in 2006 and 2008 are now up for grabs and are trending Republican.

“They’re saying, ‘Costing too much, no results, see the downside, not sure of the upside,’” he said.
Obama retains extremely strong support from Democrats, and earlier this year lost much of the Republican support that followed a giddy Inauguration. It is the independents who appear to be currently on the move: Obama dropped 6 percentage points last week from the week before in Gallup’s tracking poll, and Quinnipiac University found a 5-percentage-point drop in approval from independents between early June and early July. Recent state polling shows drops over longer periods.

A Quinnipiac University poll of voters in economically troubled Ohio, released Tuesday, showed Obama’s approval rating slipping 8 points, to below 50 percent, from a poll two months earlier, with a plurality of 48 percent of independent voters disapproving of his job performance. A Public Policy Polling survey in Virginia found Obama’s approval and disapproval numbers effectively tied, with independents disapproving of the president’s job performance, 52 percent to 38 percent.

“That is fairly consistent with all our polling around the country — Obama tends to be really well-liked personally, but he’s starting to lose a majority of the independents,” said Public Policy’s Dean Debnam. Democrats have “had long enough in some voters’ minds that they’re getting blame for nothing happening, and Republicans are scaring them around health care and tax increases.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090709/pl_politico/24717


So get ready for the MSM talking point of "Obama Falling Down". The MSM never ceases to amaze me :puke: :puke" :puke:

[ananda]

1. I'm a liberal and I've never edged towards Obama..

.. and I see a lot of reasons to edge away.

He's better than a rightwing Reep, though.

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. +1

:thumbsup:

[Mari333]

14. +2

[Jennicut]

6. Yes, but its indies they are discussing, not liberal dems

[depakid]

24. Many so called "independents" are in fact more progressive than Democrats

and/or have other reasons why they're not members of the party. Selling people's issues down the river- repeatedly- for 15+ years, or creating the perception of being cowardly, complicit or corruptly tends to have that effect on folks.

[Jennicut]

25. They are talking about right leaning independents worried more about

the deficit. You know, the ones that voted for Bush but then voted for Obama.
Obama is 92% withe liberal Dems per Gallup.

[ErinBerin84]

2. yep

Scarborough was talking to Chuck Todd this morning and Joe said "Sooo, we are seeing the president's approval ratings falling due to excessive spending!" and Chuck Todd nodded along. Plus, I'm not really surprised about Ohio, I'm still kind of shocked that Obama won Ohio to begin with.

[Horse with no Name]

7. Excessive spending has nothing to do with it

I think lack of action on social issues has more to do with it.

[Cant trust em]

3. This "democratic" pollster Doug Schoen needs to learn new phrasing

“They’re saying, ‘Costing too much, no results, see the downside, not sure of the upside,’” he said.

What a great quote to feed the media!

[Uzybone]

5. "in key swing states"

So I guess it now perfectly acceptable to judge a presidency like you would a campaign?

America is headed down the drains, I fear there is nothing anyone can do to stop it.

[redqueen]

8. So, the M$M BS is working on some people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8518491

[DCKit]

22. Yet "Some People" are the M$M's best and brightest source of information.

That's some crazy feedback cycle they've got going. No wonder there are no facts on the M$M - it's all one big circle-jerk of opinion and misinformation.

Oh, and if I ever begin to parrot pollsters, someone please shoot me, 'cause I've clearly become possessed by an imaginary satanic spirit and/or terminally stupid. 18th century sailing ships didn't have that much rigging.

[redqueen]

23. "one big circle-jerk of opinion and misinformation"

Spot on!

[Mari333]

9. my brother became disillusioned with Bush (finally)

because of Bush's lying about Iraq and his spying on US citizens, and his corporate bailouts.
so, my brother tells me "well, Obama is doing the same thing now..surging more war, backing up the FISA bill, and continuing to bailout corporations..he reminds me of Bush.."
so, my brother, who is Independent, is unhappy.
maybe thats why.

[redqueen]

10. Oh, and you might want to edit your subject line. This is only the latest attack,

and it won't be the last.

[scheming daemons]

11. And... a CNN poll to counter that

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8518704&mesg_id=8518704

[Jennicut]

12. Yes, the excessive spending was okay when it was Bush doing it.

Gotta love that media...and that mushy middle that can never make up their minds.

[redqueen]

15. Sure they make up their minds. Right after the M$M tells them how.

It's shocking how quickly the talking points get swallowed, and how readily they're repeated - even here.

[Jennicut]

16. True...and that group is easily manipulated

[Proud Liberal Dem]

17. Right. IOKIYAR strikes again!

:banghead:

WTF is wrong with these people? Where were they during the past 8 years? Hiding under a rock or something?

Just...............ARRGGGGH!!!!!!
:banghead:

[Proud Liberal Dem]

13. He dropped 6-7 points from last week (according to Gallup)???

Wow!!! WTF happened????

:wow:

[tritsofme]

18. The polls are just coming back down to earth.

Obama was never going to get 60%+ of the vote in his reelection.

Wake me up if his approval is trending under 50%, and then its still not that interesting until about 18 months out.

[Mrs. Overall]

19. Obama's poll numbers are irrelevent until Oct./Nov. of 2012.

[WI_DEM]

20. Reagan's approval rating in 82-83 was in the 40's and Mondale was beating him in a Gallup match up

in '83--2012 is a long time away and Obama will be up and down. If the economy isn't much better by 2012 then he's in trouble. If it is better but still sluggish it may be close. If it's humming and unemployment is dropping fast then he will win handily.

[seabeckind]

21. I think the big problem is a lack of movement

The repubs are saying it's cause he's spending too much and they get to say that because the ship of state isn't moving -- or at least not perceptively. It gives them a chance to talk about direction cause there isn't perceptive movement.

To find out what is happening on transportation infrastructure we have to go to some obscure web site or read some nonsense in a right wing paper or hear some blather from some pundit telling us what's happening -- and all of them are usually making stuff up.

Or we can watch a little of CNN and see a 20 second sound bite from a WH spokesperson. The media is controlling the message. Where is the loud mouthed liberal yelling at Joey Scar and telling him he's full of shit? And where're the other 50 loud mouthed liberals yelling the same thing into a microphone agreeing with him?

--On edit -- And the 50 congresscritters asking why that loud mouthed liberal doesn't get to talk?

How about sticking some signs up in the hinterlands saying "Future Home of High Speed Rail, Your Tax Dollars at Work"? Instead of a 10 second bite of some local idiot in a hardhat with a shovel filling a pothole.

--on edit-- I saw a report of a small company in Portland that was going to build street cars. Great idea. Why doesn't our president get in front of some closed GM factory and say "Now that we own it, we are going to build highspeed train cars right here!".

Then the repubs can argue about why we can't do it and they look like the assholes who are keeping us from having jobs. And hel, if no one complains we'll have some high speed train cars.