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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 07:15 AM
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Keep the Change: Obama Backs Bush's Political Prisoner Operation
Keep the Change: Obama Backs Bush's Political Prisoner Operation
Chris Floyd

July 9, 2009

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But surely there is some real "change" going on elsewhere in government, isn't there? How about at the throughly rotted Justice Department, where Bush cronies turned federal law into a partisan weapon, even jailing opposition political figures on trumped-up charges, like the worst kind of third-rate, tinpot tyranny? Surely Obama and his highly progressive Attorney General, Eric Holder, are going to clean out the fetid swamp of lawlessness at Justice, aren't they?

Er, no.

As Scott Horton notes at Harper's, the Obama Justice Department has just fired a courageous federal attorney who had sent a letter to the highly progressive Holder detailing more of the unbelievably brazen machinations of Karl Rove's cronies who put former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman in prison on specious charges after a trial before a highly partisan, interest-conflicted judge. As Horton reports:

In a nine-page June 1, 2009 letter to her boss, Attorney General Eric Holder, Tamarah Grimes, a member of the Justice Department team that prosecuted former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman, itemized an astonishing list of acts of misconduct by her colleagues as they developed what they called "the Big Case."

* : Two key witnesses were cajoled, coached, and pressured to change their testimony to better support the charges. This specifically included the key evidence given by one witness on which Siegelman was convicted. But, as Grimes notes, the witness in fact had no recollection of the events–he was pressured to recount them in a way that suited the prosecutors....
* Members of the prosecution team communicated directly with a pro-prosecution juror while the case was pending and afterwards...
* Every aspect of the case was overseen by U.S. Attorney Canary. She had nominally recused herself from the case because her husband, a friend of Karl Rove and the most prominent G.O.P. elections advisor in Alabama, was advising a campaign against Siegelman for which the prosecution provided essential grist.


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http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/3/1794-keep-the-change-obama-backs-bushs-political-prisoner-operation.html
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 08:16 AM
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1. No polite way to say this: The OP is a blatant lie. Thrilled to "unrecommend" this garbage.
Edited on Fri Jul-10-09 08:20 AM by HamdenRice
Typical. It's one of those hit pieces where a news fact is passed from blogger to blogger down the food chain until it appears as a piece of undigested vomit hurled up by our resident misleading doomers.

For this to be true, that Obama backs Bush's corrupt DOJ practices by firing Grimes, Obama would have to have been in a bar in Montgomery, Alabama in November 2007.

Ms. Grimes's own press release and narration of what happened does not support the dishonest OP, or Chris Floyd's wing nut interpretation of what happened.

According to Grimes own press release, which is where the story originally comes from:

"...Ms. Grimes's termination arose from a management decision made after-hours meeting in the lobby bar at the Embassy Suites Hotel in Montgomery, Alabama during an active mediation more than 3 months after the agency learned of Ms. Grims's whistleblower disclosures..."

<end quote>

Scott Horton at Harper's dates that meeting at November 2007:

http://harpers.org/archive/2009/07/hbc-90005308

That meeting occurred on November 1, 2007, and it was an all-in-the-family affair, involving U.S. Attorney Leura Canary and her then first deputy Patricia Watson. Watson is married to Leura Canary’s first cousin, and both Canary and Watson were the direct targets of Grimes’s whistleblower complaints. The appearance of an act of retaliation could not be stronger.

<end quote>

In other words, this is more Alabama federal district shenanigans. Grimes is saying she was fired by the corrupt Alabama office of the US Attorney, not that she was fired by Holder or Obama.

In fact, she says her firing was "ironic" meaning that the personnel process worked its way through the system, resulting in a formal termination a week after she sent the letter to Holder.

Grimes concludes her own press release placing the blame clearly where it belongs, in Alabama, while expressing positive confidence in Holder:

"My hope remains with the Attorney General of the United States. I remain confident that Mr. Holder will provide assistance to the employees of the United States Attorney's Office for the Middle District of Alabama, to wrongfully terminate employees of the U.S. Attorney's Office,..."
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 11:13 AM
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15. You are really twisting yourself into a pretzel with this one
The meeting to fire her apparently occurred in November 2007. But she was not fired until June of 2009 by THE OBAMA JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, 8 days after submitting a June 1, 2009 letter to ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER. How do you explain that she remained on the job during the BUSH administration for God's sakes, but gets fired during the Obama administration?

From the Scott Horton Harpers article referenced above


"Eight days after submitting these meticulously documented complaints, many of which echo concerns stated by others in the U.S. Attorney’s office in Montgomery, Grimes received a reply of sorts. She was fired. Grimes notes in a press release that she was informed of her dismissal in a letter from Terry Derden of the Executive Office of U.S. Attorneys. Derden formally denies that Grimes’s dismissal is related to her status as a whistleblower. On the other hand, his denial is pretty thin gruel. According to the Grimes press release, the decision to fire “arose from a management decision made after-hours meeting in the lobby bar at the Embassy Suites Hotel in Montgomery, Alabama.” That meeting occurred on November 1, 2007, and it was an all-in-the-family affair, involving U.S. Attorney Leura Canary and her then first deputy Patricia Watson. Watson is married to Leura Canary’s first cousin, and both Canary and Watson were the direct targets of Grimes’s whistleblower complaints. The appearance of an act of retaliation could not be stronger."


She was notified of her firing in a letter from the Executive Office of the US Attorneys. The way the people she outed for their apparent prosecutorial conduct could very well have been crafted at the after-hours meeting in a bar(!). In order to flaut the protections against retaliation of whistleblowers, they found a loophole - they rescinded her security clearance. No security clearance, no job.

More from the article:

"According to the Justice Department, Grimes was terminated because she presented “an unreasonable risk to operational security.” The Justice Department apparently reached that conclusion because of her denunciation of the “victory at all costs” tactics adopted by the Public Integrity Section, and her objection to juror tampering, witness cajoling, and similar criminal capers also provided justification for termination of her security clearance. The Justice Department’s conduct looks increasingly like a Sicilian mob group: you commit the crimes the bosses order and you keep quiet about it, or the consequences will be fearsome. The No Fear Act purports to shield whistleblowers from acts of retaliation against employees who disclose misconduct. However, the clever consigliere of the Bush Justice Department, who amazingly continue to control all aspects of the case involving Siegelman five months into a new Democratic administration (including Leura Canary, who is still on the job in Montgomery), are not about to be stopped by legislation that protects whistleblowers. They detected the chink in the armor: the decision to terminate security clearance is not reviewable in a whistleblower setting. And once security clearance is lifted, it becomes very easy to fire the person involved.

In response to an inquiry about the Grimes termination, Justice Department spokesman Tracy Schmaler states, “The Department takes seriously its obligation under the whistleblower law and did not violate it with regards to the termination of this employee. For privacy reasons, it would be inappropriate to comment any further on this personnel matter at this time.


Why are these Bush miscreants STILL ON THE JOB in Alabama?!! There have been more than enough questions raised about the conduct in that office for them to be dismissed by a new President and a new AG, as is COMMON!

And finally, your absolutely absurd sentence that:

'Grimes concludes her own press release placing the blame clearly where it belongs, in Alabama, while expressing positive confidence in Holder:"My hope remains with the Attorney General of the United States. I remain confident that Mr. Holder will provide assistance to the employees of the United States Attorney's Office for the Middle District of Alabama, to wrongfully terminate employees of the U.S. Attorney's Office,..."

She references Alabama as being the place where the misconduct occurred, but she is clearly appealing to HOLDER as the highest official of the government entity that fired her, THE US JUSTICE DEPARTMENT to review and overturn her firing, while making it very clear to anyone who chooses to be a whistleblower that there are loopholes big enough to drive trucks through in terms of job protection.

Here is her press release so that others may judge for themselves.
http://harpers.org/media/image/blogs/misc/tamarah_grimes_press_release.pdf





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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 12:10 PM
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16. "Why are these Bush miscreants STILL ON THE JOB" Because we don't want a firing scandal
Edited on Fri Jul-10-09 12:11 PM by HamdenRice
You want the Obama administration to do what everyone was up in arms over the Bush administration doing?

You know, the Rove US attorney firing scandal? You know Fitzmas indictments and all that?
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 12:15 PM
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17. It has been a long tradition that USAs are a political appointment
who serve at the pleasure of the President. The person who abused that tradition and privilege was Bush who installed a large number of politicized USAs, nowhere MORE apparent than in Alabama. That office should be allowed to have a fresh start with a new appointment and everyone will understand why, believe me.

I also HATE it when people use as justification for some action or inaction - what will the Republicans say? Plus, as far as I can see, there has been little or no uproar from anyone except a few lonely liberal voices in the wilderness when President Obama has continued a questionable practice or policy from the Bush administration.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 12:20 PM
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18. So you want Obama to behave like Bush? That's your point?
Generally US Attorneys are not fired en masse when a new president comes into office. There have been exceptions, but it is considered to be a violation of prosecutorial independence.

The liberal blogosphere was in an uproar when Bush fired a few US Attorneys for political reasons. It makes perfect sense that if Obama doesn't want to carry on the illegal, lawless and abusive policies of the Bush administration, he is not going to fire US attorneys.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 12:29 PM
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19. I specifically did not suggest firing them en masse and pointed out
Edited on Fri Jul-10-09 12:39 PM by Phoebe Loosinhouse
that Bush had abused the the entire process with highly politicized USAs. I am fully aware oif the ins and outs of the entire USA scandal. If ever a USA deserved to be replaced pronto due to very serious allegations of misconduct, it would be the Alabama USA. Do you seriously think anyone would question the right of Obama and Holder to make a appointment and let that office get itself out of the quagmire that currently exists?

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Edit - my statement

"Plus, as far as I can see, there has been little or no uproar from anyone except a few lonely liberal voices in the wilderness when President Obama has continued a questionable practice or policy from the Bush administration." was IRONY in case you missed it.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 12:31 PM
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20. Yer a funny one
Be sure to get good gear for the swim in De Nial.

Mebbe a position as head unrec'er?
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 09:50 AM
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2. K&Rnt
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 09:57 AM
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3. You rec'd a blantalty, obviously false and misleading non-story?
That's weird.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:05 AM
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4. Chris Floyd
has proven himself to me time and again, I rec'd on his name and the OP's, I'll research more but think this is valid...
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:10 AM
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5. some more background
check this out (from within the OP, I recall this too):

http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/3/1737-hope-abandoned-obama-protects-and-promotes-cia-torture-mavens.html

I stand by my recommendation, and are we going to be wasting our time now with comments back and forth on rec and unrec? We really need to be working on getting some real change going...
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:16 AM
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6. Were either Obama or Holder in that hotel bar on November 1, 2007?
If not, then the OP is a blatant lie.

Ms. Grimes's own press release shows the OP is a lie.

What does it take with some of you people?
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Curtland1015 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:27 AM
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7. Not to mention, Obama's name is stamped all over the tops of these stories like he...
...personally did something to make this all happen.

Reading the stories, you don't even know if the story made it to him or if he's commented on it at all. Not to mention, some of these links describe things then attach links that don't mention the points they were supposedly linked for.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:31 AM
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8. Gitmo
is still going...think on that...REALLY think on that...
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:32 AM
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10. Yeah and Congress wouldn't give him the money to shut it down
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:38 AM
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12. Wasn't that convenient?
Edited on Fri Jul-10-09 10:39 AM by maryf
hhmms, scape goats for non-action keep shifting back and forth.. best way to maintain the status quo and keep the people quiescent...
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:31 AM
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9. I am becoming increasingly skeptical of anything posted here. Do we not want
to find out all the facts first?
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:37 AM
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11. So don't we want to study everything?
and did Obama really push for the closure? for any of this? Really?
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Curtland1015 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:41 AM
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13. Study, certainly. Assume the worst just because we can?
Edited on Fri Jul-10-09 10:42 AM by Curtland1015
No, we shouldn't do that.

To automatically make the leap that Obama is behind all of this, and that it's all even happened in the first place, is a pretty big leap, and one you have to WILLINGLY make.

I'm under no impressions that Obama is perfect. But I'm going to require more evidence than a few online "reports" to make the leap, personally.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:50 AM
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14. I don't see where the article claims that Obama is behind all this.
I do see where it states that Obama backs the firing and in fact, his own DOJ spokesman confirms:

"In response to an inquiry about the Grimes termination, Justice Department spokesman Tracy Schmaler states, “The Department takes seriously its obligation under the whistleblower law and did not violate it with regards to the termination of this employee. For privacy reasons, it would be inappropriate to comment any further on this personnel matter at this time.”"

http://harpers.org/archive/2009/07/hbc-90005308

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 12:31 PM
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21. Look how fast the cheerleaders are unrecommending this thread.
Edited on Fri Jul-10-09 12:32 PM by earth mom
Scared for the truth to be told, hmm?
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 08:25 PM
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22. Kick nt
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:45 PM
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23. Kicking again for the truth and the night, nt
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