OMG..Peggy Noonan on Palin: "In television interviews she was out of her depth in a shallow pool "

[Fumesucker]

This is truly delicious.. Ronald Reagan's speechwriter is a RINO..

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124716984620819351.html

Sarah Palin's resignation gives Republicans a new opportunity to see her plain—to review the bidding, see her strengths, acknowledge her limits, and let go of her drama. It is an opportunity they should take. They mean to rebuild a great party. They need to do it on solid ground.

Her history does not need to be rehearsed at any length. Ten months ago she was embraced with friendliness by her party. The left and the media immediately overplayed their hand, with attacks on her children. The party rallied round, as a party should. She went on the trail a sensation but demonstrated in the ensuing months that she was not ready to go national and in fact never would be. She was hungry, loved politics, had charm and energy, loved walking onto the stage, waving and doing the stump speech. All good. But she was not thoughtful. She was a gifted retail politician who displayed the disadvantages of being born into a point of view (in her case a form of conservatism; elsewhere and in other circumstances, it could have been a form of liberalism) and swallowing it whole: She never learned how the other sides think, or why.

In television interviews she was out of her depth in a shallow pool. She was limited in her ability to explain and defend her positions, and sometimes in knowing them. She couldn't say what she read because she didn't read anything. She was utterly unconcerned by all this and seemed in fact rather proud of it: It was evidence of her authenticity. She experienced criticism as both partisan and cruel because she could see no truth in any of it. She wasn't thoughtful enough to know she wasn't thoughtful enough. Her presentation up to the end has been scattered, illogical, manipulative and self-referential to the point of self-reverence. "I'm not wired that way," "I'm not a quitter," "I'm standing up for our values." I'm, I'm, I'm.

In another age it might not have been terrible, but here and now it was actually rather horrifying.

McCain-Palin lost. Mrs. Palin has now stepped down, but she continues to poll high among some members of the Republican base, some of whom have taken to telling themselves Palin myths.

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More at the link..

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. I can't believe I am agreeing with Peggy Noonan on something!

[MajorChode]

43. I can agree with Peggy Noonan on a few things

Although they are mostly on non-political issues.

She isn't stupid. She is well educated, intelligent, and very articulate. I certainly can't agree with her ideology, and she certainly has been known to defend her party to the point of absurdity. She isn't always a good judge of character either vis a vis her initial strong support of W and her perennial support of Raygun.

[Captain Hilts]

2. Ouch! That's gotta hurt!

[redqueen]

3. "She wasn't thoughtful enough to know she wasn't thoughtful enough."

That applies to so many people.

[Kerrytravelers]

4. Make no mistake, Peggy Noonan isn't a RINO. She just knows a loser when she sees one.

And she wants the republicans to win. She sees Palin as an anchor and wants to cut her loose. That is all.

[Fumesucker]

8. By today's standards, Noonan might be a RINO..

Hell, Reagan would be a RINO by the standards set by the likes of Vitter, Ensign and Stanford.

[blm]

12. That's EXACTLY right - she sees Palin as an obstacle, not a boon.

The last thing a Republican candidate down the ticket wants to see right now is another Bushlike nominee leading the ticket.

[Fumesucker]

16. But a nominee that isn't at least kind of bushlike

Won't excite the most reliable Republican base..

The fundagelicals..

[RufusTFirefly]

21. That's right. With Palin at the helm, all but the diehard whackos are liable to jump ship

Noonan simply proved that she knows how to add.

[Fumesucker]

30. Without the diehard whackos there is no Republican party..

At least not enough to elect someone beyond the post of dogcatcher..

[Solly Mack]

18. Yeppers

[redqueen]

35. Yep. (nt)

[calimary]

40. Peggy, that pathetic reagan sap, will NEVER be a RINO. She's relentlessly republi-CON

straight down to the bone marrow. She still thinks the sun rises and sets on ronald reagan. I'm half-convinced she was reagan's Monica. To hear her speak about him and write about him, you'd think he was the second coming.

[PassingFair]

48. *itch is JEALOUS.

She still thinks she's "got it".

It's embarrassing to watch her on
the talk shows.

She flips her hair around, and if
there are mirrors around, I bet she
can't take her eyes off of herself.

:puke:

[Richard Steele]

5. "She wasn't thoughtful enough to know she wasn't thoughtful enough." K&R

[Lancer]

6. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Jennicut]

7. Noonan never liked her and she is correct, she was always out of her depth

[rocktivity]

9. Well, maybe you should have said as much

BACK IN AUGUST 2008????

P.S. The biggest myth about the republican base it that it's big enough to outvote the dem/indie/moderate/ex-republican base!

:eyes:
rocktivity

[Inuca]

24. She kind of did

there was a live michrophone incident at the republican convention (MSNBC) where Nonnan and Mike Murphy (I think) were caught saying very uncomplimentary things about Palin.

[Mike Daniels]

36. Noonan became more and more critical about Palin as the campaign wore on.

She thought the criticism directed about the kids was uncalled for but as Palin demonstrated her weaknesses Noonan gradually made her POV known that she was not impressed.

That said, what else was she supposed to do?

[NNN0LHI]

10. Isn't this kind of like saying water is wet?

[Fumesucker]

11. Yes... by someone who has until now denied the very existence of water...

[catbyte]

17. Didn't Noonan

accidently say something like "That's bullshit!" when they announced Palin as VP? I seem to remember that she and another Republican talking head expressed horror and disdain, then had to backtrack when they found out their mics were open. Or I could have dreamt it!

:shrug: :yoiks:


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[Fumesucker]

20. I think so..

I'm overwhelmed trying to keep up with everything, CRS is setting in a bit early I think..

[PearliePoo2]

22. No, you weren't dreaming.....

Sept. 3rd 2008 Mike Murphy, Chuck Todd and Peggy Noonan on MSNBC.
See my thread below. :)

[Inuca]

27. Mike Murphy is probably the most decent

R talking-head out there.

[chatnoir]

28. Transcript and video/audio here

Sounds like someone actually says 'It's all f***** up' at one point.

Edit to add link (duh)
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/transcript_of_noonanmurphygate.php

[WI_DEM]

13. She has been very open in her criticism of Palin for quite some time.

[livetohike]

14. She lays into the GOP for being taken in by Palin

I hope everyone reads the link. Thanks for posting it :hi:.

[PearliePoo2]

15. Noonan caught on a MSNBC live mic re-acting to Palin's nomination........

"It's political bullshit........it's over."

[Inuca]

26. I did not see your message when I posted

about this upthread. That was quite a moment, wasn't it?

Nonnan is not a liberal (stating the obvious, I know), but she is very smart and writes well. This piece is a killer. And is's kind of nice to have one more very good reason to laugh at Palin (Lady Ga-Ga as Andy Sullivan calls her, love that) when she talks about the liberal media going after her. The uber-liberal WSJ and Peggy Noonan!

[mitchum]

19. You know it's bad when a drooling Reagan worshiper points out the idiocy...

in Palin's cult of personality

[optimal-tomato]

23. "Most qualified? No. I think they went for this, excuse me, political bullshit about narratives."

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/kbxftrlxvm--Political-BullshitHot-Mic-On-MSNBC-Peggy-Noonan-

[hwmnbn]

25. Ouch, Peggy is going all mean-girl on Sarah....

"Mrs. Palin's supporters have been ordering her to spend the next two years reflecting and pondering. But she is a ponder-free zone."

Bwahahaha...Noonan is 95% wingnut tool, but sometimes she can turn a phrase.

[PearliePoo2]

29. hwmnbn wrote:

"Peggy is going all mean-girl on Sarah..."
If there's one thing Palin WolfKiller understands, it's "mean-girl".
She's the epitome of mean, cruel and sadistic.
She remains the pretty, narcissistic girl in Junior High that will knife you in the back if you ever questioned her or were not one of her adoring fawning groupies.

[chatnoir]

32. Yep, that's why she's been called 'Sarah Barracuda'

since school.

"She ran around like a rabid little thing" (Cheryl) Welch recalled. "She did not like to lose and sometimes cried after losses. She was very petulant and formidable--there was no stopping her. We'd be practicing and drilling--she wanted the ball so badly she would get red in the face and scratch and claw until you just wanted to say, "Here, take the ball." When i heard they nicknamed her Sarah Barracuda after the way she played on the basketball court, I thought, "Wow, perfect."

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2009/02/all-we-need-to-know-about-sarah-palin.html

[Raffi Ella]

31. she needs to look to her Party instead of the MSM for keeping the Palin story alive.

The GOP invites her to high profile events and to campaign for them; they're the ones excited about her ability to raise money for them. They're the ones defending her and fueling the fires every time she creates drama for herself.

To pretend that Sarah Palin and the kind of people she attracts isn't exactly what the GOP have been all about for the last 30+ years is laughable- She is the GOP mindset personified!

GeeDubya was the culmination of said mindset and Sarah Palin is the unadulterated version being played out for all to see.

Quit blaming the "MSM", you made your bed Noonan, deal with the consequences.

[Mike Daniels]

33. I'm sure that the FReeper brigade has already crashed her e-mail server

Calling her "jealous" because she has only a fraction of Palin's looks, inner beauty, and massive rock-em/sock-em intellect.

[Missy Vixen]

37. Unfortunately for the F*eekers, though

Peggy Noonan has actually amassed a body of work through her professional career -- speechwriter for Reagan, columnist for the WSJ, etcetera. I do not agree with her politics or most of her opinions, but she worked for her money. She also has the ear of the GOP establishment, which leads me to believe that the knives are out for Sarah Palin.

Palin's resume is thinner than rice paper. Her insistence in continuing a fight with Levi Johnston via media makes her look petty and ridiculous. Unfortunately, she's too stupid to realize it, and she's also too stupid to realize that the GOP is imploding. The only chance they have in 2012 is to run a fiscal conservative/social moderate, stop pandering to the religious right, and distance themselves from guys like Sanford, but they're also too stupid to figure this one out, too.

LMAO.

[PearliePoo2]

38. You nailed it. Good post.

Stupid is as stupid does. Gump can see this plainly.
:rofl:

[chatnoir]

41. Some choice pieces from the loon brigade

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2289803/posts

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Peggy worships at the alter of abortion and nothing else matters.

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Another liberal leftist low-IQ’d RAT journalist trying to make a name by tearing down a truly qualified candidate.
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Good thing Reagan gave her material to write. That is what gave Peggy a name. The stuff she comes up with is lame.

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Ugh, god, and we have to share a continent with these fools?

[Raschel]

44. What is "poor" Sarah to do? She's receiving hit after hit since quitting. And we all know that

she is unable to let one criticism go without a reply. :rofl:

[Orsino]

34. Noonan would probably like us to forget Palin ASAP...

...and to distinguish her from all those coherent Republican leaders.

[Raffi Ella]

39. right

like the ones up on The Hill and elsewhere that are apologizing to Rush Limbaugh...


The GOP is 'screwn': Can't win with them, can't win without them.

[DCKit]

42. I think this is the first Palin thread I've ever rec'd. Thanks fumesucker! n/t

[noiretextatique]

45. The left and the media immediately overplayed their hand, with attacks on her children.

:eyes: sure nooner.

[Catshrink]

46. "She was a gifted retail politician"

With the GOP it's the celebrity that matters -- charisma, not policy or brains: think St. Ronnie, W., Ahnold, for starters.

[K8-EEE]

47. Sarah Palin is a gift to the Dems....THANK YOU JOHN!

WOW Peggy always sounds like such a fucking snob!! Hopefully this kind of stuff will drive a huge stake through the unholy "Reagan coalition" of dumbass freepers and snobby, thieving Wall Streeet Republicans.

Divided, they'll never win; but the CEO/Ivy League Republicans will NEVER accept Sarah, and the Freepers aren't gonna fall for that "lesser of 2 evils" schtick with their LOL "Queen Esther" Sarahcuda around. Operation Chaos indeed. How sweet it is!

[ThoughtCriminal]

49. She could not explain or defend positions...

that were incredibly stupid to begin with.

[troubledamerican]

50. Noonan quote on Reagan -- "The least introspective man I ever met" -- Palin is Noonan's harvest

You reap what you sow, Noonan.