Democratic whores

[Cyrano]

This is not about sex. It is about unscrupulous people who sell their souls for money. It is about those who will never give up power until they’re dragged away, kicking and screaming. It is about those who pretend to care about democracy, but really don’t give a damn whether any of us live or die. In short, it’s about Democrats who make a living fucking us.

Only the dead or brain-dead are unaware that the Republicans are out to destroy our well being, our liberties, and our very existence in order to regain power and to further their despicable agenda.

But there are Democrats who might as well be Republicans. They are the ones from conservative states or congressional districts who will do whatever it takes to hold onto their congressional seats. They will sell out any and all Americans in order to cling to their influence, privileges and their raw power. They receive huge sums of bribes (“donations”) from big pharma, big insurance, big oil, big banks, big agriculture, big bigs and … oh, damn, take your pick.

This is nothing new. During the 1920s, the wealthy ran amok without interference from the Republicans who were in charge. It led to a depression in the 1930s and it’s pretty much where we are today. When Franklin Roosevelt tried to fix it, the Republicans demonized him and called him a “traitor.” Sound familiar? And there were, of course, Democrats who opposed him. (Being a whore knows no era.)

Most of us can’t do a thing about Democratic whores because they aren’t in our states or districts. But the DNC and various liberal groups (Move On, People for the American Way, etc.) can oppose them when they’re up for reelection. It’s past time we had our own purge to rid ourselves of reThugs in Dems clothing.

Unlike Republicans, Dems will never march in lockstep. However, we can attempt to form a more united front against the encroaching fascism that surrounds us and is an ongoing threat.

Please post if you have any suggestions on how we can rid ourselves of those who pretend to believe as we do, yet do everything possible to undermine us.

[optimal-tomato]

1. "This is not about sex. It is..." Stopped reading. n/t.

[Fla_Democrat]

40. It was kind of a let down at that point

:evilgrin:

[grantcart]

42. try reading it with one hand

[Cyrano]

46. They are reading it with one hand. The other hand is holding the instruction booklet.

[FiveGoodMen]

2. Don't give money to the DCCC and DSCC

They turn around and help the Blue Dogs with that money.

[cascadiance]

18. Just use their postage stamped envelopes to send them your "feedback" instead!

Good way to both give them a message you're PO'd with the way Washington is doing business AND hit them in the pocketbook that if enough of us do it will hopefully get noticed by the right people!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

3. Politician + Whore = Redundancy

"When politics enter . . . government, nothing resulting there from in the way of crimes and infamies is then incredible. It actually enables one to accept and believe the impossible."

"In . . . politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing."

"The government of my country snubs honest simplicity, but fondles artistic villainy, and I think I might have developed into a very capable pickpocket if I had remained in the public service a year or two."

"Right here in this heart and home and fountain-head of law this great factory where are forged those rules that create good order and compel virtue and honesty in the other communities of the land, rascality achieves its highest perfection."

Mark Twain

[Cyrano]

4. We have a tremendous shortage of Mark Twains these days

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. Indeed we do. Impalers of Sacred Cows are needed to keep the bosses off balance.

[warren pease]

34. "Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself."

Mark Twain


And then there's this jewel:

The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poly', meaning 'many', and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'.
L. Hardiman

[KharmaTrain]

6. First More Democrats...Now Better Ones

It wasn't that long ago that the Democrats were on confronted with large rushpubican minorities. After the '04 election, the corporate media gleefully parroted the meme that the Democrats were on the verge of irrelevance...and in some cases they were right.

In '06, many of the gains were made in red and purple areas...and the Democratic party was just hoping to be competitive in many of those districts. Conservative candidates were recruited...better to have Blue Dogs who vote with the rest of the party 50% than more DeLay droids. In '08, it was holding the '06 gains, winning the White House and more Senate seats.

Today the Democratic party enjoys its largest majorities in 30 years and is a big tent from liberal enclaves on the coasts to conservatives ones in the south & west. In many ways, the Democrats have "maxed" out in areas they can expand...many of the red districts are blazing crimson. Now the question to the voters in each district is if the Democrat who represents them is the best Democrat or is there another? Yes, I hope there are primary challenges next year and is willing to see the party lose 10 seats to the GOOPers if it meant 20 more progressive/liberal Democrats are elected.

Cheers...

[omega minimo]

7. But we need "DEMOCRATIC WHORES" on the Greatest Page?

:wow:


"However, we can attempt to form a more united front against the encroaching fascism that surrounds us and is an ongoing threat.

"Please post if you have any suggestions on how we can rid ourselves of those who pretend to believe as we do, yet do everything possible to undermine us."


Here's a thought:

STOP POSTING SEXIST SLURS THAT VIOLATE DU RULES.

[Cyrano]

8. WTF are you talking about???

[omega minimo]

11. you can't figure it out

:eyes:

[Deja Q]

10. Who said that unrec keep non-important fluff from making the front page?

Obviously, the people thinking that - of which there are many - are forked-in-eyeball blind.

[omega minimo]

12. All the A1 in the world can't fix that

"forked-in-eyeball blind"

[Odin2005]

36. +1

[fascisthunter]

38. in no way was a that a sexist remark

men and politicians can be whores. Why did you take that statement out of context. DO you disagree with the OP. Then make a point, but claiming it breaks rules is an obvious attempt at bringing attention to this thread to have it locked.

[omega minimo]

43. Oh Bullshit. It is against the Rules. Read them. Interesting the New and Improved Greatest

has "Democratic Whores" on it.

And someone like you now thinks using "whore" is allowed.

AND THERE'S NO WAY IT IS NOT SEXIST.

[yodermon]

47. Then alert on the post instead of kicking the thread.

whore: n. "3. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain."

Since using "whore" as a pejorative is, by definition, sexist, and since the definition of whore is also as i've quoted above, then by your logic, Men cannot compromise their principles for personal gain. Sweet! I'll have to remember that.

[omega minimo]

48. You ignore the history, meaning and charge of the word.

And you didn't read DU Rules on "whore"


Don't ascribe your stupid illogic to me.

[corpseratemedia]

9. public financing of elections

after the dlc kills - in one way or another - (I hope this doesn't happen) the public option, ethical Dems need to mount a nationwide campaign to support true Democratic candidates opposing them in the primaries. Within this breakaway movement, we need to keep in the public eye the connection between lobbyists and how our reps are voting.

The same national discussion we are having with the collapse of health care in America, we need to have with bought and sold politicians and getting rid of private financing, period.

How repugs and blue dogs are paid for is destroying the viability of our country.

[GreenPartyVoter]

16. Mandatory and across the board. No level of office should be available to

buy.

[redqueen]

13. Change the electorate.

They're the ones that keep voting them in.

Also, Dem constituents should push these types constantly.

[Orsino]

14. US dollars are redeemable for legislation with both major parties.

Because the law allows this, we could say that our representatives are legally required to prostitute themselves.

Change the law, change Congress.

[Froward69]

15. Bennet (?D) Appointed from Colorado

Bennet is slime. he votes the straight Big Business ticket, Monsanto is his boss.

He uses terms like "cramdown" saying it is a popular term... (BTW only popular to those in the banking business.. not everyday constituents)

Fucker.

[Hippo_Tron]

17. Progressive Democrats can't win in certain districts and states

Anybody who doesn't realize that can't count. There are certainly some people like Joe Lieberman that can and should be challenged in primaries. But some of them could not possibly be replaced by anybody more progressive.

[cascadiance]

19. And some that don't fit that criteria like Dianne Feinstein!

I think that though you have different emotional issues (that the media likes to focus on to divide us into "left" and "right" camps), that favor different candidates in elections, that is more meant to divide the masses from uniting on issues that, if framed properly, would unite about 70-80% of the population.

The "moderates" we have are making sure that these issues don't get talked about a lot, as they know that those issues when motivating movements will push them into the corner and expose them as not really supporting any voting segment but those K Street entities that "vote" with their money instead.

Issues like health care, public campaign finance reform, continuing the war, domestic spying, job outsourcing and other issues where the status quo only supports the corporate elites I submit can be reframed away from the corporate media's framing of them to get a majority of votes by Democrats, and start having the government serving us again, instead of seeking to divide us to help them serve their corporate masters.

[Hippo_Tron]

25. Dianne Feinstein is a special case

It costs an absurd amount of money to run for office statewide in a state as big as California and thus she will never be unseated in a primary. I hope that when she retires Californians pick a Senator more like Boxer to replace Feinstein.

[cascadiance]

33. I would argue that the money issue applies to the other states with blue dogs in them too...

It is what is making a mess of elections for ALL of our congressional offices, when they are so dependent on the corporate dollar to get elected. It's not just DiFi. DiFi just exposes that you can have corporatists in more liberal states too. It's just easier in conservative states for corporatists to do the "I'm a moderate" rationalization for pushing to the right on issues affecting corporate entities but pushing to the left or center on social issues where their constituencies might be more siding with but their corporate owners don't really care about.

[Hippo_Tron]

39. Again, yes and no

When your constituents are mostly tea-baggers and freepers or are mostly influenced by people like that they will vote you out of office for supporting things like: "socialized medicine" and "communist labor unions" and "crazy environmental conspiracies". There is absolutely no way around this predicament no matter how much you reject special interest money. The fact is that the right wing has managed to make a decent sized chunk of the masses support things that benefit the elites. That is a political reality and one that can't be corrected overnight.

[cascadiance]

41. I don't deny that some of the social issues go against us in these areas...

And that is why the corporate media and other political corporate servants emphasize these issues, as they are easy ways to get votes. But when the corporatist "moderates" of either party see a non-corporatist candidate that might appeal to "moderate" voters or voters on the other side, then the forces line up against them. Paul Hackett is an example of this. He had more conservative views on things like gun control, etc. but when it came down to issues affecting corporate interests you could tell that the party "moderates" like Schumer were up in arms and wanted him to be kept out and not threaten their view of what a "moderate" should be that would be dangerous to their benefactors and perhaps lead to larger groups of people voting on these other issues rather than the widely pushed social issues used to divide us.

If the Democratic Party deemphasized the social issues more in those states and emphasized the issues that affect most of us att odds with the corporate elites, we might be able to get a lot of other voters that the moderates currently don't want to mobilize. But the party establishment, corporate lobbyists, and corporate media do everything to stop that from happening.

That's what we need to break through to break down these blue dog contingents in the Democratic Party.

You might even say that Huckabee had a similar fate on the Republican side. He started out strong in the beginning in places like Iowa, but was probably viewed as a threat to their corporate elite as well, when he lead a campaign that emphasized more social issues but also mixed in more populist views on those issues like tax reform, etc. that threatened the corporate elites as well. Therefore he was pushed down the ladder too, albeit he wouldn't be someone I would want to support either.

[Hippo_Tron]

44. I don't think you understand what I'm saying

This isn't about social issues. I'm saying that in red states and red districts working class and poor people have been convinced to support positions that are against their own economic interests. People who barely make enough to make ends meet will vote you out of office for supporting health care reform because they are scared of "socialized medicine". They will vote you out of office for trying to spend more money on education because they think teachers are lazy bums who don't deserve more money. They will vote you out of office for supporting a "death tax" that they will never possibly have to pay but the right wing has convinced them they have to.

Populist conservatism isn't just about social issues granted that is a big part of it. It is also about this "worship free markets" and "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mentality that a lot of working class people have bought into. Inherently their representatives will vote in favor of corporate interests because their constituents demand that their representatives vote in favor of corporate interests.

[bvar22]

20. Your avatar would disagree with you.

A Progressive Democrat running on a platform of Economic Justice with Party support could win anywhere there are Americans who work for a living.

[Hippo_Tron]

22. I'm fairly certain that when Wellstone was running for re-election in 2002

And voted against the IWR he made a comment along the lines of: I am fortunate to be living in a state with a strong progressive base of support. Those from other parts of the country are not so fortunate. Those aren't the exact same words but he did say something along those lines. Maybe in 1990 Paul Wellstone would've said that you can win anywhere that Americans work for a living. By 2002 I think he was a bit more jaded.

[bvar22]

31. If Paul Wellstone didn't say that....

...you should remove the quotation marks.

As I remember it, Paul DID say that it could possibly cost him the election, but that the important thing was to STAND UP for what he believed in. ALL of the pundits predicted that it would cost him the election.



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[Hippo_Tron]

37. I replaced the quotes with a colon

I used them in the first place because I couldn't think of another way to convey that I'm paraphrasing.

[DCKit]

27. Except it's becoming more obvious that Republicanism is a mental disease.

Even the honest working folk vote against their interests if it'll keep those homo loving commie libruls out of office.

[hfojvt]

21. that's only partially true

George McGovern and Thomas Daschle both came from South Dakota. Herb Kohl and Russ Feingold both come from Wisconsin. Kohl does not stick out now, but back in the 1990s he was disgustingly conservative and he was also one of the sponsors of the first Bush tax cut. Then again, Wisconsin in not that Blue.

Just saying that it is possible to elect a progressive even in a dark red state. It may depend on how he campaigns and presents his progressive ideas. McGovern also got elected before the huge abortion split.

Also, this proves a perfect example of a thread that deserves a U. It just bashes some Democrats without seeming to have a clue of the practical realities of winning elections in some districts.

[Hippo_Tron]

23. The 1970's were a completely different era

George McGovern and several other liberal Democrats in conservative states were swept out of office the moment the religious wrong came to power which was Reagan's election in 1980.

[omega minimo]

26. It was very conservative when they ran.

[Hippo_Tron]

28. Yes and no

As is the nature of progress, the country is more socially progressive today than it was in the 1970's. But you didn't have an organized group of people trying to convince every Christian that they can't vote for a Democrat because they're all a bunch of evil faggot lovers and baby killers.

The "welfare queen" stigma also didn't exist yet and you didn't have poor and middle class white people voting for less social services and lower taxes out of fear that a lazy black person would get some of their hard earned money.

Labor was also stronger then but it was in the crucial turning point during the 70's. Labor was strong because before the 60's there were no social issues, for the most part. Once white people decided to vote based on social issues over economic ones, labor's influence drastically died.

[hfojvt]

32. one reason they may have switched away from economic issues

Was, paradoxically, because of the success of unions. Union workers were making more than median incomes and thus were not as sympathetic to the poor and more in favor of income tax cuts. They voted for Reagan based on economic issues, not social ones.

[hfojvt]

30. I still think Reagan swept SD for different reasons

If you look at 1976, Carter only lost SD by a couple of points (or less). One of his first acts was to kill half a dozen water projects in SD in the name of balancing the budget. I cannot find it with google but I swear there was somebody in the Carter administration who was quoted saying something like 'screw South Dakota, nobody lives there anyway'.

It's no accident that he got his a$$ kicked in SD in 1980. He might have taken McGovern down with him too. McGovern's seat was then won and held by Daschle for 3 terms and hopefully will be re-taken by Herseth-Sandlin in 2010.

Of course, the Senators seem to be getting more conservative with each iteration.

I agree though, there is a difference between 1974 and 2010 and I think it centers around abortion. In the past there were perhaps more conservatives who would vote for a Democrat/Liberal if he seemed smart and personable, but now abortion precludes that possibility.

[wethetweeple]

24. The first step is to admit there is a problem, LOL

Unfortunately, far too many are addicted to politics-as-spectator-sport where you choose sides and always root for someone because of the letter after their name.

Talk is cheap. Look at the results, i.e.; votes, actions, etc.

[yowzayowzayowza]

29. I'm with Geezus on this one: love the whores already!!!

:evilgrin:

Tho we oughta upgrade our representation when possible, without 'em we wouldn't be in control of the Senate. Also, I don't see where political prostitution is necessarily an instrument of fascism.

[Odin2005]

35. Public financing of elections, like we have here in Minnesota.

Money is NOT free speech.

Oh, and please edit the sexism out of the thread title.

[Ardent15]

45. This (and with severe restrictions on how much one can donate)

Public financing would go a long way in rooting out the corporatists among us.