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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 05:57 AM
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Time to Seriously 'OUT' the C Street Fascists
Edited on Sat Jul-11-09 05:58 AM by JCMach1
As the Republican Party implodes the public is becoming aware of a secretive Christian society known as the Family or the Fellowship. The group was founded in 1935 in opposition to FDR's New Deal and its adherents subscribe to a far right Christian fundamentalist and free market ideology. A minister named Abraham Vereide founded the Family after having a vision in which God visited him in the person of the head of the United States Steel Corporation (no, I’m not making this up). The Family has a connection to house on C Street in Washington, D.C., known simply as C Street. Officially registered as a church, the building serves as a meeting place and residence for conservative politicians....

The Family’s current leader Doug Coe is secretive but enjoys considerable political influence as a spiritual adviser. When South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford, himself a visitor and a kind of honorary alumni at C Street, compared his political difficulties involving his affair with an Argentine woman to those of biblical King David the South Carolina politician was falling back on a central figure in Family theology. You could “almost hear Doug Coe’s voice” coming out of Sanford, Sharlet remarks. C Street’s stately red brick, $1.1 million building is subsidized by secretive religious organizations and is located a mere stone’s throw away from the Capitol. Lawmakers who live there include Reps. Zach Wamp, R-Tenn.; Bart Stupak, D-Mich.; Jim DeMint, R-S.C.; Mike Doyle, D-Pa.; and Sens. John Ensign, R-Nev., Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma, and Sam Brownback, R-Kan. The lawmakers, all Christians, live in private rooms upstairs and pay an incredibly low rent --- a paltry $600 --- to live at C Street... http://www.counterpunch.org/kozloff07102009.html
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:03 AM
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1. k&r Good artice...first I heard of this. Very spooky stuff....
This is like "Night of The Living Dead".... the scary part is that these people are in Washington making LAWS that we have to live by....
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 08:10 AM
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11. Rachel Maddow had segments on it on Thurs and Fri. The videos are up at the political video forum.
Must sees.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:05 AM
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2. Free-market Christians? Den of thieves.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:12 AM
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3. Heavily involved with the Ensign and Sanford scandals
Essentially this group did their best to cover it up...

Rachel Maddow did a good story on this last night.
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bpcmxr Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:20 AM
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4. Rachel Maddow shined some light
on this shadowy group the other night.

Check it out.
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 09:03 AM
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12. Rachel's reports were fantastic
Two nights in a row of shedding some light on these creepy bastards.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:28 AM
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5. What a creepy name.
"The Family". It sounds like a cabal or cult of some kind. Oh that's right, it is.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:41 AM
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23. That's what Charles Manson and his followers referred to themselves as.
I think subconsciously that is why it creeps people out.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:38 AM
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6. Well the term 'the family' has been popular with cults for awhile
One of the attempts of a cult is to break any bonds a person has with their own family, and replace that with a view of the cult as the persons family.

This is everywhere in almost every group. Although most groups that speak of brotherhood within an organization also speak of strong ties to peoples normal families and the rest of society.

I remember reading of a guy who also started a different cult called the family, he also tried to start a race war so his group could rule the world, and he thought he was chosen. His name is Manson. And he is in jail.

My point is a pattern in development in cults, I say this because I have seen a similar set of attributes within organizations that go bad.

They are secretive about their beliefs and actions
They believe they are special and should lead others
They believe in freedoms inside their group that would be called bad by other people. (many times this removes a sense of morals that guide people, especially if their morals are based on fear of getting caught, not just doing what is right)
People in the group are treated better by the group then people outside the group. Many times the end of empathy for people outside the group occurs.
Child abuse is common. It seems targeting of children is a specific element of bad.

It should be said, there are probably good people in that organization that do not believe in some of its ideals, although desire to lead or be special, and self righteousness can lead to many other faults and problems. It also is in many other parts of society, and in many other groups and people. It is a common wedge that can be used to pry a person away from their conscious.

Although we all have some issues with desires and self righteousness. Thank God for his grace.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:39 AM
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7. "The Family" was around in Berkeley when I lived there in the mid '70's...
They believed in and actively practiced sex between older males and very young-pre teen- females.
They had some sort of ranch north of SF in those days, and used to set up tables on the UCB campus to recruit students.
I had no idea they were still around - I assumed they were busted 30 years ago.

They seemed to have lots of money, too.

mark
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 03:04 PM
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18. Very interesting...

the Moonies seemed to be taking over in the late 70s.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 09:22 PM
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22. That's not the same group
You're thinking of "The Children of God" - I saw a documentary on them recently. Not the same "Family."

http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/David_Berg


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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 07:41 AM
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8. They are a cult.
What are democrats doing living there? Is it the cheap rent?
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 07:47 AM
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9. A Slippery Slope Ahead...
I'm a strong believer in the separation of church & state, however, also respect the right for every person to their own religious beliefs and practices. While I question my own faith, I also see the values of community that faith can provide someone...especially when their living away from their families. One has to be careful here in not condemning a person's right to believe and to respect their personal privacy AWAY from the office.

That said...there is a line that has been crossed in recent years as the religious right has flexed its muscle inside the beltway and Coe is one of it's biggest inside players. He's long flown under the radar as his "spiritual" work has been his shield to protect his behind the scenes political manuevering.

Kudos to Keith and Rachel for exposing the "C Street" connection as we're learning that, in the Ensign case, they may have abetted in several crimes. But the crimes aren't due to one's faith, it's due to the politics and power at play. It's the fear of the rushpublicans and the religious right of more scandals and seeing their grips on power and influence slip away.
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 08:04 AM
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10. Given that they organize little things like the National Prayer Breakfast, I say
LET THE SUN SHINE IN!

No more secrecy in government!
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 09:12 AM
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13. It's Time To Start Delving Into The Actions Of These Lawmakers That Live In This C-Street House.....
We already seen what Ensign & Sanford were up to. Now we need to give a good look at the others that live in this house and see what kind of lives they live. Perhaps they got in under the radar before - but now they've been outed and should be scrutinized. I wonder what kind of voting record these guys have up on the Hill? Is there a pattern in their support or lack of support for the various bills that flow through Congress? I'm also wondering who some of the alumni are that lived in this house during previous Congresses? We're in the 111th Congress now. Who was part of this family in the 110th, 109th, 108th.... and how did they vote?

This group sounds really creepy. I wonder what kind of influence patterns will be seen as to how this group has shaped this country?
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:45 AM
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24. I'm willing to bet that the "group of eight" (was it called that?) conservative Democrats
that formed a coalition to work against Obama's policies, are part of the group.
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 09:18 AM
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14. Just ordered the book
"The Family" by Jeff Sharlet at BuzzFlash.com. Paperback.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 09:25 AM
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15. I LOVE when the light is shed on secret groups
now lets shed more light on the Bohemian Club

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 10:41 AM
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16. . .
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 10:52 AM
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17. What Rachel was saying last nigh was really weird
Edited on Sat Jul-11-09 10:54 AM by lunatica
I thought that this C street story is way worse than the Skull and Bones thing. Do they really think that Jesus demanded that people be willing to have their family members killed to show their belief in him? And do they think that being like Hitler is good?

If this is true, then Sanford and Ensign are really sick men. Men who are elected representatives and therefore far more important than any citizen. These men actually govern our country. Their affairs become more than just subjects of gossip when C Street is involved
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 03:05 PM
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19. K&R....glad to see this FINALLY coming to light n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 03:41 PM
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20. I agree.
k & r
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 03:59 PM
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21. some links to other threads & articles includ. link to the book excerpts on books.google.com
Edited on Sat Jul-11-09 04:08 PM by Shallah Kali
"The Family: Power, Politics and Fundamentalism's Shadow Elite" by Jeff Sharlet

"The Family" and its use of cells, explained

Level 1: Indoctrination of "Friends" via cell-groups

Level 1 is probably the initial level at which true involvement occurs with "The Family"; this level is internally referred to as "Friends of The Family" and is the first level we start seeing things of real concern. (The following description should, I hope, explain why I am now gravely worried for Mrs. Clinton and what she's gotten herself into.)

Level 1 in "The Family"--and in most other pyramid-style groups (as we'll get into)--is the level of initial indoctrination and "shepherding". In "The Family", there's evidence (which, again, Sharlet will be discussing in full in his book) that indicate the same coercive practices common across pyramidal cell-groups may be occuring.

In particular, at least one comment by Sharlet has indicated that quite a bit more than innocent "Bible study" goes on in these cells, and that other potentially more coercive activities may go on in the inner circle:

I've never accused them of "conspiratorial mind control" but I do document that this is about a lot more than worship and Bible study, which are just fine. In fact, the inner circle of the Family does very little of either -- Doug Coe rejects church, and elite believers are encouraged to seek the advice of Jesus by direct consultation in a cell group, with scripture rarely consulted.



This is more than a little dangerous. In fact (we'll need to wait for Sharlet's book to come out to document more of it, alas), this is a rather strong hint that potentially abusive tactics may be in use (the use of unethical confession tactics by "Family" predecessor/model Moral Re-Armament are already a concern, and disallowing people to read the Bible for themselves (and requiring specific, leader-inspired interpretations) removes a powerful form of "reality testing" for persons in Bible-based groups). In addition, the specific advise to not participate in mainstream churches is very, very worrisome--it's a classic method to isolate people from communities that might threaten the dogma of what is promoted by Coe and by "shepherds".

The fact that group leaders promote authoritarianism in general also does not exactly relax one--it is extremely common in abusive "cell church" groups for leaders to claim direct personal revelation from God, and opposition to the group leaders to be opposition to God.

Level 1 initiates in pyramidal groups are generally not trusted to leadership positions within the group, are privy to only some of the info, and are essentially seen as "infants in need of instruction" internally--so they do tend to be shepherded and shadowed, in part because the group doesn't yet see them as "loyal faithful" and doesn't trust them not to leave or to bugger up.

There are equivalents to this elsewhere. Level 1 in AmWay is typically the level where people have joined the group, are not yet Diamonds, but are trying to peddle Quixtar merchandise to their relatives et al. (This is also where they are encouraged to join the AmWay "business motivational organisations" where quite a bit of the reports of coercive practices come from.) In Scientology, this is the level where people are in the group, aren't yet privy to the secrets about Xenu et al, are running up their credit cards with "auditing" sessions, and often join the Sea Orgs (a paramilitary/missionary group within Scientology) as a method of alternate payment for their E-Meter sessions.)

In addition, there's a potential second form of coercion that "The Family" has in their deck that is rarely available to "level 1" in abusive pyramidal groups (other than groups using org-owned living and working arrangements)--namely, "The Family" really can threaten to derail a political career if their mark gets too out of line. The only comparable common level of potential coercion over someone's career and livelihood that I'm personally aware of is with Scientology after someone has signed themselves into the Sea Orgs (and that's in part because, at that point, they do often end up in employment with Scientology as well as in Scientology-provided housing as well as force their members to sign coercive (and, likely, illegal) "contracts" where members forfeit their right to sue for damages); generally pyramidal groups do not get this sort of ammo until the "Level 2" recruitment stage.


DU Thread w/lots of links: Love the way Rachel Maddow has slyly slipped in the words "C Street"

The Wild Hunt: Interview with Jeff Sharlet

This is not a Religion Column: Biblical Capitalism:
The roots of the economic crisis tap directly into a movement within American fundamentalism. Much has been made of Palin's Pentecostalism but her links to The Family go unnoticed>

'Family': Fundamentalism, Friends In High Places

Worse Than Fascists: Christian Political Group 'The Family' Openly Reveres Hitler

Everybody Loves Jesus Or, the unofficial lobbying fest known as the National Prayer Breakfast

Jesus plus nothing:
Undercover among America's secret theocrats>

DU video thread: Theocratic Rule In America! The Family Making It Happen

NBC News Exclusive: Political ties to a secretive religious group
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