The new un recommend feature: It's an organized pissing contest!

[Better Believe It]

Moderates, DLC supporters and Blue Dogs can prance around un-recommending any thread that's too liberal or challenges a "centrist" bi-partisanship policy.

Progressives, liberals. PDA supporters and Greens can bounce around from one post to another un-recommending any thread that echos White House talking points or is a simple cheer leading promotion.

Let's see which individuals and political cliques or factions can control and censor "the greatest page".

Let the games begin!

Of course, that's not what Democratic Underground is really all about .... right?

We can all see that this is encouraging unnecessary conflicts, harmful divisions, growing hostility and bitter rancor among DU supporters.

And that's not what DU is all about.

It's obviously not encouraging healthy, vigorous, democratic and civil discussion among democrats/progressives on DU.

And that's what DU is all about.

I'm not going to use the un-recommend feature against posts I disagree with or posters I don't like.

That would be undemocratic.

And why is that?

It's really very basic, simple and easy to understand.

DU'ers who recommend a post for "the greatest" are not trying to exclude, censor or remove a post from anywhere on DU.

Those who un-recommend are censoring by removing a post from "the greatest" page. The thread is now hidden, it disappears from the "the greatest page" which means it will have fewer views. And that's the real reason behind why anyone would vote to un-recommend.

Now some will insist that DU'ers are casting a vote, for or against, the views presented in a post. When did that become the purpose of "the greatest page"? The purpose of "the greatest page" was not to conduct a DU wide referendum on posts, a referendum that had consequences.

Democratic Underground declares: "The Greatest Page lists threads which have been nominated by the members of DU as the most noteworthy."

That's all it's suppose to be. It doesn't even have to be a thread you agree with or have any opinion on! "The greatest page" was not meant to be a place to cast vote for or against posts you believe in or disagree with! It's a noteworthy post. That's all it was set up for.

The new procedure dramatically changes that purpose and at best distorts it.

It should be terminated.

[BlooInBloo]

1. Yah - I hate the fact that people can now vote 'no' as well as vote 'yes' totally undemocratic.

[Better Believe It]

9. Pretending not to understand this simple fact?

DU'ers who recommend a post for "the greatest" are not trying to exclude, censor or remove a post from anywhere on DU.

Those who un-recommend are censoring by removing a post from "the greatest" page.

Which words are confusing you?

Remove, exclude or censor?

[xultar]

31. If your post doesn't make the greatest page it gets deleted. No one will ever see it.

[kentuck]

35. Maybe it doesn't deserve the "greatest' page?

If I have five friends that will vote for my posts, no matter if it sucks, it gets to the greatest page. But if someone has an unrecommend vote, that is somehow unfair?? I don't see your point?

[jgraz]

11. Which democracy allows you to "unvote" for candidates?

:shrug:

[leftstreet]

13. Election 2008: Obama +3, McCain (less than zero)

:rofl:

[jgraz]

18. Did you get to vote "no" on McCain as well as "yes" on Obama?

[BlooInBloo]

21. I get to vote 'no' on ballot initiatives all the time. Congress gets to vote 'no' on bills...

all the time. Well, except when they get filibustered. Heh.

I think it would be much better if ballot initiatives and Congress only had the option of voting 'yes' or not voting. Because true democracy doesn't permit you to vote 'no'.

:rofl:



EDIT: Changed "laws" to "bills".

[jgraz]

28. I'd be fine with it if the votes were published (just like in Congress)

Being able to see who rec'd and unrec'd is the easiest way to cut down on abuse.

[BlooInBloo]

29. That'd be fine with me. I'm confident it won't intimidate people who want to unrec.

[muriel_volestrangler]

56. Opinion polls routinely ask you if you support or oppose things or people

and give 'net approval' ratings. :shrug:

[Behind the Aegis]

67. Ours. Ask Gray Davis.

[jgraz]

100. And that worked out SO well for everybody.

[Behind the Aegis]

106. Since you moved the goal post: James E. West, Mayor of Spokane, WA

[Cronus Protagonist]

2. K&U - this thread is not noteworthy

[Better Believe It]

3. I'm not going to un-recommend any post. How about you?

[Cronus Protagonist]

5. I just unrecommended yours

And only because it is not noteworthy. I thought that was clear.

[tavalon]

87. I'm not either

But I do notice that I'm using the recommend feature more liberally and that sometimes it feels more retaliatory instead of truly lauding a good post.

I think the Greatest Page still needs refining but this isn't the Change We Need.

[tavalon]

86. Talk about proving the OPs original contention

Don't use all of that piss in one place. Oh, wait, you can unrecommend anything, so piss away to your hearts content.

[Cronus Protagonist]

105. Gosh, thanks for your permission

And you should know that I don't need it.

[Warren Stupidity]

4. How dare we get to vote on what constitutes great! The horrors!

[TexasObserver]

8. Yes, the horror of democracy!!

[Better Believe It]

14. You can now also censor and remove!

Will you try remove posts from "the greatest page"?

[Warren Stupidity]

25. If I think a post is FAIL I will unrecommend it.

Why should the greatest page be full of fail just because some idjit and his five fiends voted it up there?

[DevonRex]

44. This argument has been tried before. It failed before, too. Quite hilariously.

[TexasObserver]

6. THE SKY IS FALLING!

Kicked and Unrecommended.

[tavalon]

88. Thank you for sharing

This makes the atmosphere here so much better! I'm thrilled that we've found something to make our community so much more cohesive! Actually, DUers didn't need any help in their endless quest to be pissy - we were doing fine at it without this new "feature".

Unrecommend = Epic Fail

[leftstreet]

7. The UnRec puts the focus on disagreements, rather than solidarity

Just my personal preference, but I'd rather see DU as a representation of the issues where we tend to agree.

That was always the strength of the Greatest page.

[jgraz]

15. It also give the bullies an easy weapon

Just swarm any thread you don't like with a bunch of K&U's. You don't have to come up with a substantive response, just unrec. Hell, you can do it completely anonymously and the OP won't even know about it.

[tavalon]

89. Totally agree

kicked and I refuse to use unrecommend for anything, so there.

[kentuck]

10. K & U.

for reasons noted above.

[cwydro]

12. I'm unreccing any thread that continues to beat this dead horse.

Give it time and let us see how it works.

[lamp_shade]

17. What cwydro said.

[xultar]

33. +1

[tavalon]

90. It's not a dead horse, it's an issue that the owners made the mistake of implementing

without adequate discussion. Now they are getting the discussion, whether they want it or not. These guys have made a kick ass website and they have done so many great things. This, however, is not one of them.

[mkultra]

16. stop trying to silence dissent.

:rofl:

[MineralMan]

19. Do we really need another OP on this subject?

It has already been thrashed and beaten to the edge of life.

Why not post in one of the existing threads?

[PassingFair]

20. Wasn't this attempted before with crappy results?

I don't understand why it's being brought back.

I think it's stupid, but I don't make many OP's so.....

:shrug:

[Better Believe It]

22. Is anyone here proposing a simple vote, for or against posts, without their removal?

I don't think so.

Some just want the power to remove posts from the "greatest page" because they either don't agree with the posts or they don't like the poster.

It really has little or nothing to do with whether or not a post is noteworthy.

That's pretty fricken obvious, isn't it?

[trotsky]

23. I have just one request.

Go take a look at the Greatest Page right now, and tell me which threads on there are favorable to "moderates, DLC supporters, and blue dogs". I especially would like to know how the top-recommended thread is in its place right now if the evil DLCers are voting down anything not progressive/liberal.

Here, let me do it for you.

I just had to post this photo (US distress signal).
Congratulations Free Republic! Your antics made the front page of my Canadian newspaper!
Reporter Ellison? Rep takes on public option on House floor
Bush Personally Ordered Visit to Ashcroft’s Hospital Bed
Recommend if you think Geithner is part of the problem and should go
The American Middle Class Is Dead And They Don't Even Know It Yet.
Only Six Percent Of Scientists Are Republicans: Pew Poll
"Conservative" Dems are more dangerous than republicans

I especially love that last one - if what you say is true, that the conservative Democrats are going to conspire to sink any non-flattering thread - WHY IS THAT THERE?!?!? :rofl:

[xultar]

30. yeah...those conservo dems are really screwin up the greatest page.

[Better Believe It]

52. I have just one request. Please read a fricken post before you comment on it!

Do you also write movie reviews without having seen the films?

As I pointed out:

"Moderates, DLC supporters and Blue Dogs can prance around un-recommending any thread that's too liberal or challenges a "centrist" bi-partisanship policy.

Progressives, liberals. PDA supporters and Greens can bounce around from one post to another un-recommending any thread that echos White House talking points or is a simple cheer leading promotion.

Let's see which individuals and political cliques or factions can control and censor "the greatest page"."

So what's your point?

1. Moderate Democrats won't try to remove threads they don't like from "the greatest" page?

2. Moderate Democrats won't be able to remove threads they don't like from "the greatest" page because you found post they won't like? Can't say how many conservs did try to remove that post and failed, can ya?

3. Progressives and liberals will not try to remove threads they don't like?

4. You like removing threads written by posters you don't like because that's so very democratic?

Does the word logic mean anything to you?

[trotsky]

55. Oh I read it much better than you think.

Does the word evidence mean anything to YOU?

You make all these wild claims, but the EVIDENCE for any of them is completely lacking. In fact, the available evidence PROVES YOU WRONG.

You are funny. But then most people who can't back up what they say tend to sputter and flail wildly like you are.

[Better Believe It]

63. Right. You got lots of smarts! :) You're a regular Trotsky .... or is it Stalin?

You call yourself Trotsky?

It's more like Stalin and Mao are your models!

And you're just second rate counterfeit version wannabe!

You love the "right" to remove posts from the "greatest page" that you don't understand, are too "liberal" or that don't appeal to your worst instincts.

Now that's really democratic!

Mr. Trotsky .... Stalin or whatever, do you also support the imperial drive to "export" democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan

[trotsky]

92. Ooh, I like you.

I have a thing for the crazy ones! :crazy:

[zeemike]

24. It is a wast of time to use logic here. on this subject

It is all emotional and the so called majority have a tool to punish the ones that they don't like and will not give it up easily.
Logic or reason plays no part in it.

[Warren Stupidity]

27. a vaste wast of tim.

[pipi_k]

26. My opinion on what should be terminated...

As a mom, I was often involved in many spats between my kids over some toy or another...as was my own mom with us kids.

The solution?

Take the fucking toy away from everyone.


So my solution, for good or for bad, would be to get rid of "The Greatest" page.

Voila...

no more "Rec this if you think _________"

no more "WAHHHHHH!!!! You buggers are gonna stifle my FREE SPEECH!"

No more endless threads on the pros and cons of "unrec"


Just the usual arguments and debates over the usual everyday stuff.

:7



Yes, I am so meeeeeeean!
:rofl:

[Jennicut]

70. Oh yeah, I take stuff away from my 4 and 5 year olds all the time

Some of us act like my girls at times.
}(

I say take it away...what a headache. Its a popularity contest.

[rucky]

32. psssst...

it's a sideshow to distract the "everything sucks" crowd and the "rah-rah Obama" crowd from actually posting their thoughts.

that's my theory.

[pecwae]

34. Unrec for yet ANOTHER OP on this. nt

[truedelphi]

36. I have not yet seen a single un'rec.

Or is it that there would be no way of seeing an un'rec?

[Control-Z]

50. If there is a

"<0" next to a thread, it has been URed. If it just has a "0" next to it, it hasn't been rec'd or unrec'd. The threads currently with "<0" are all threads about the rec/unrec feature, pretty much. Ironic.

[truedelphi]

53. Thanks control Z.

If I have to ask a certain younger family member about things like that, there is much- HOW SHOULD WE SAY IT- disparaging of this elder's lack of savvy.

Any time I am saved from that fate, I am very relieved.

[greguganus]

37. K & U & hide thread. n/t

[Blue Belle]

38. I don't understand the need for the "Unrecommend" feature....

If you don't like something, don't recommend it. This sounds more like censorship to me.

[DevonRex]

39. Do you like it when there's only ONE candidate in an election?

[Better Believe It]

47. So the "greatest page" is like voting for political candidates ???!!!

Well, in elections we frequently have three or more candidates running for office.

So in "the greatest page election" do you think we should have multiple choices?

For example:

A Strongly recommend = +5 points

B Recommend = +2 points

C Sorta Recommend = +1 point

D Sorta Unrecommend = +1 point

E Unrecommend = +2 points

F Strongly Unrecommend = +5 points

Is that what you're recommending?

[NeedleCast]

40. Some of you take this message board way to fucking seriously

Its the weekend. Stop fretting about the unrecommend feature and go do something fun.

[LWolf]

41. Yep. nt

[DevonRex]

43. So you are against choice? So you like saying that 100% of the people who

recommended, um, uh, recommended? That's like saying 100% of the people in North Korea voted for Crazy Hair.

[LWolf]

48. You lack coherency.

Recognition that the "unrecommend" feature is a tool easily, and readily, misused and abused has nothing to do with "choice."

Have you not noticed the number of people already boasting that they will "unrecommend every <insert topic> thread, or thread by <insert poster>?"

It has nothing to do with whether or not the topic is worthy of the "greatest" page. It has to do with team-tagging to keep topics OFF of the greatest page.

That's not "choice."

[scubadude]

42. I agree?

I've stated my reasons already, but basically it comes down to herd think. Control.

Scuba

[bertman]

45. Having just RECOMMENDED this thread and seeing that it still has no RECOMMENDS

I must assume that the underminers are busy tunneling away to keep this thread off the Greatest Page.

The sooner the UNrecommend button is done away with, the better.

[LWolf]

49. Agreed. nt

[kentuck]

51. You think it deserves to be on the greatest page?

Maybe others disagree with you?

[UTUSN]

68. This thread presents the other side of the argument & is as worthy as YOUR contrary thread w/35 Recs

[kentuck]

78. And it would be right up there in the bright lights...?

if those assholes had not voted against it, rather than for it? Who the hell do they think they are? If we want it on the greatest page, then by God, we have a right to put it on the greatest page! It's all about free speech. Our free speech! If the assholes don't like it, then too bad. :sarcasm:

[Warren Stupidity]

57. Clearly you are confused about the new system.

It is the difference between R & U (R-U) that is displayed, not the sum of R's or the sum of U's, and to keep people from jumping off tall buildings, when a post goes negative (U > R) only <0 is displayed.

But why should this stupid shallow OP be on the greatest page?

[UTUSN]

46. DU, like the Dem Party, is a (loose) coalition of *many* different interest groups

I never look at the "Greatest" page, but DO a LOT of K&R-ing to give prominence to threads that would be missed by visitors or THE MEDIA, who don't have times to delve INTO DU, and who more than likely ONLY look at the Greatest page.

The O.P. starts off by identifying the main characteristic of UnRec, that organized groups will use it to block out opposing groups, but limits it to TWO groups, Centrists vs Progressives.

Actually, UnRec will be a weapon used by ANY group, including personal vendetta individuals. We *do* have members who are, for example, anti-immigrant, who flirt with racist reasons for being anti-immigrant or who are not self-aware of their incipient racism. But they are only one of MANY different groups. Now, all groups can actually FLAME anonymously. Just look at LBN, where the very active CHAVISTAS swarm on anything negative about Huguito. Now they, and all other groups, have this additional tool to put the Sign of Disapproval on any thread they don't like.

And ANY topic that challenges the conventional (DU or otherwise) wisdom will instantly be noosed with negative territory ratings. This very sensible O.P. is an example of that.


My own personal pique is laughable: As an admittedly erratic poster whose posts range from bottom-of-the-barrel to things that actually are invested with time and effort, I have gotten used to seeing ALL of my threads SINK LIKE ROCKS. But now they will also be ignominiously marked with the Scarlet Letter as they GO!1 Bwa-ha-HAH!1

[OhioChick]

54. Well Said & Agreed. Gave you a Rec, but unfortunately it doesn't matter. n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

58. Of course it matters.

If enough people agree that this deserves to be on the greatest page, five more than disagree, then off it goes. Your rec counts.

[WI_DEM]

59. You know 90% of us here are liberals and many of us are Obama supporters

so I really am offended by your post that seems to indicate "Progressives, liberals. PDA supporters and Greens can bounce around from one post to another un-recommending any thread that echos White House talking points or is a simple cheer leading promotion" as if only DLCers, moderates and conservatives support this president. Get out in the real world, many liberals/progressives support President Obama. You can look at any poll to back that up, too.

Oh yes, for the record I'm unrecommending this post.

[Jennicut]

69. 92% of liberal Dems support Obama per Gallup in late June/early July

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121199/Obama-Weekly-Job-Approval-Demographic-Groups.aspx

[SidDithers]

60. ...

Sid

[Cronus Protagonist]

61. Less Than Zero

lol


kick for amusement!

[itsrobert]

62. < 0

Please adjust and conform to community standards.

[scheming daemons]

64. Skinner needs to come out and say "it's here to stay" so the whiners will STFU about it already

[TorchTheWitch]

95. that would just produce a new wave of whining

Whiners will whine regardless.

[Kickin_Donkey]

65. I agree. It should be terminated.

It adds nothing to DU discussion.

It's not democracy. It's a vapid popularity contest for all the junior-high schoolers on this board. And they are all the usual suspects with their tens of thousand of posts.

Wankers gleefully writing "K and U." What immature people. Well, the big-name wankers on this board are immature bozos playing Inside Baseball.

[ChromeFoundry]

66. I'll give it some time...

As it stands right now... I thing it's a worthless addition.

The only purpose I have seen it serve is to allow groups of individuals to anonymously drop the popularity of posts because they don't like an individual because of a previous spat. Didn't the Whitehouse Open-Forum utilize the same DIGG-style voting? Yep, and it turned into a country-vs-countries vote war. Indian and Chinese message forums had a slurry of activity instructing their members how to vote down anything to do with outsourcing, visa programs, etc... The fear was too much attention would be drawn to a system that benefits other countries at the expense of US workers.

This isn't much different. Like I said before, I'll give it time. If it still sucks ass when it's time for me to donate again... I won't. If after the "shiny-new-toy" factor wears off and it remains to be a nuisance... I'll find somewhere else to hang out.

On a side note, I think the Rec and Unrec feature should prompt for a mandatory comment that gets posted on the thread...why even have it anonymous in the first place?

[obliviously]

71. Who cares it is not our dog and ponie show.

No one was being rocketed to fame and fortune by being on the front page. There are other ways to improve your sense of self worth.

[bertman]

72. I care. And I'm not concerned with being rocketed to anything or anywhere by being on

the front page. What I am concerned about is that topics that lots of people feel are worth our attention may be torpedoed by DU'ers opposed to them. So much for dissenting opinions when all you have to do is hit UNrecommend.

[Behind the Aegis]

73. Yes, it has become a pissing contest.

Like any new feature, there will be those who abuse it, at least as you and others against the un-recommend feature will see it. I see it as being abused when posters un-recommend something because of the author of the post or because it is against their pet cause without actually reading the post. The recommend feature has been abused that way all along, in my opinion. I see this new feature is an actual democratic function to this site. You even said in your post:

Democratic Underground declares: "The Greatest Page lists threads which have been nominated by the members of DU as the most noteworthy."

Until the addition of the un-recommend feature that hasn't been quite true. Yes, it was nominated by members of DU as noteworthy, but there wasn't another option, so it was nominated only by some DU'ers who felt it was noteworthy. No one else could offer a differing opinion as to its noteworthiness. On more than one occasion, I have seen a number of posts wishing they could un-recommend something because it was crass, stupid, or a variety of reasons.

I find it disingenuous for you and others who claim that the use of un-recommend is detrimental because that clearly flies in the face of the recommend feature which is often used to promote the user's agenda of getting their pet topic/opinion or to promote themselves/others onto the greatest page. Personally, I don't think a post about some woman having the strongest vagina is particularly noteworthy, thereby not greatest page material. Someone else may have a different opinion. Now, finally, with the un-recommend feature, both of us can register our opinion. I don't think I will use the un-recommend feature much, as I don't even use the recommend feature all that much.

Finally, I find this whole situation as silly. The greatest page is the biggest victim? So what? A bunch of other DU'ers tell you what you should read? I don't even use the greatest page because I would rather look for topics I find interesting because they are interesting to me, not to the collective. Sometimes, they will intersect, but most times, they really don't.

DU now allows ALL members to vote 'for' or 'against' a certain topic as each individual sees fit, so perhaps the "greatest page" will finally reflect topics all DU'ers,(participating) find noteworty.

[TexasObserver]

74. The truth is the new system works remarkably well.

Threads that are favored by posters get positive recommendations. Those that are not get negative ratings. The results are not surprising. There are a lot of threads that are stinkers, and they are rated as they merit.

[Tx4obama]

75. It sucks...

now the conservatives can come to the website and unreccommend the good threads.
Who ever thought up the new format SHOULD BE FIRED !!!

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

79. Let's take a look at what's on the greatest page as we speak...

The pukes missed one.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

76. I thought I would hate the "unrecommend" button but

so far, its bearable.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

77. And what is the end result of said unrec mania?

Threads that the majority of DU don't like don't get to the greatest. A real travesty, I know.

[Mind_your_head]

80. Yep, there is something "really really wrong" about the unrec feature.....

thanks for trying to 'put a finger on it'.

It will be the "death" of DU (not progressives), but the death of any semblence of progressive thought here on DU. DU will become a bastion on self-delusional conservatives, who will now call themselves "liberal" b/c that's the 'popular' thing to do....never understanding a mere fraction of what REAL FREE-THINKING is.

But conservatives have money. They'll give donations to DU. They'll buy people 'stars'....and the 'people' will be grateful. But DU will have lost it's "zest", it's "underground". It probably already has....long ago.

[DainBramaged]

81. Yup, lends itself to very childish behavior

Like some one else posted, some here can just say 'good morning' and post a joke about worms and the starstruck will rec the thread. Or the embedded haters here will bust a thread out because the poster isn't in their clique.


I think I'll go read Raw Story. After I eat at the Olive Garden. I'll begin to really worry when individual posts can be jockeyed.

[Aramchek]

82. isn't it in the realm of possibility that the threads getting unrecs just aren't that great?

why does it have to be some conspiracy?

couldn't it just be the prevailing opinion?

[Tx4obama]

83. Hey DU

please get rid of the unrecommend feature ASAP before the conservatives/right-wingers ruin this website!!!
As I said before - who ever thought up this new option should be FIRED!

[earth mom]

84. A good old fashioned K & R!

:applause:

[tavalon]

85. Yep, that's what I'm seeing

Organized pissing contest rather than DUers trying to make sure the most interesting stuff gets on The Greatest page. My current solution is to ditch The Greatest page which has, for many years, been my first stop at DU. I've been looking at the threads with >0 and have been seeing too many I'm interested in. It's pretty high irony that this new feature is so brazenly political. This was definitely an oops, in my opinion. But, hey, these guys get it right so often, I'm willing to suffer this wrong, though I hope it goes the way of the color coded Greatest Page (How many of you remember that short lived, but colorful time?).

[Orsino]

91. It's changing the definition of Greatest.

We now get to vote against a thread as well as for it.

[Better Believe It]

93. How the new "un recommend" feature censors posts and why it is undemocratic

DU'ers who recommend a post for "the greatest" are not trying to exclude, censor or remove a post from anywhere on DU.

Those who un-recommend are censoring by removing a post from "the greatest" page or at least move it farther down "the greatest page". The undemocratic political objective is to reduce the number of DU'ers who are likely to read the post.

The number of posters who recommend a post vis a vis the number of posters who are trying to censor (remove) from the "greatest page" or at least put it farther down the page by reducing the number of recommends, is a big secret! Anyone care to speculate on why this useful information isn't made available? Providing this information doesn't require a major overhaul of this website.

[A HERETIC I AM]

98. Why are you giving so much importance to "the greatest" page"?

Is it really that important to you a particular thread appear on it? If you use the greatest page as your starting point when opening DU, I would ask, why? Are you so unsure of what interests you that you need the positive attention of others before you would open a thread?

I just don't get it. You and the others voicing opposition to this feature seem to be completely wrapped up in the idea of getting a thread onto that page or making sure that once a positive vote is given, (for whatever reason, including illogical ones) that that vote or votes are the final word.

The unrec feature does not censor ANYTHING. All it does is dim the spotlight a little on those whose lives are apparently completely wrapped up in getting their opinions onto a particular page on this message board.

I've seen threads that get more votes than responses. Does that make them great?
I've seen threads with 200 responses that didn't get 2 votes. Does that make them less important?

This entire argument completely befuddles me. I hope Skinner and his team don't change it at all. If nothing else, it is amusing to read the whining.

[Iggo]

103. BAM! Right there. (n/t)

:thumbsup:

[SidDithers]

99. Your understanding of what is democratic is deeply flawed...

Yes
No
Abstain

That's democratic.


Yes
Abstain.

That's not.

Sid

[Iggo]

104. Yeah! And where's the goddam birth certificate?

;-)

Seriously, people. Just let it the fuck go already.

[NoPasaran]

94. Unrec makes me feel like Jack Lords' hair

Why do you hate bacon?

[paulk]

96. there have always been organized groups within DU

trying to move things in a certain way, trying to get certain people tombstoned (which worked quite well during the primaries).

unrecommend is just more of the same

------------

"It's obviously not encouraging healthy, vigorous, democratic and civil discussion among democrats/progressives on DU.

And that's what DU is all about."


is that what DU is all about? I'm not so sure - it seems to me that the unrecommend feature fits right in to what DU has become these last few years. A website dominated by sycophants and bullies, where "healthy, vigorous, democratic and civil discussion" is actively disrupted on a daily basis.

[Robb]

97. Having been involved, myself, in a few

unorganized pissing contests, let me tell you that you want nothing to do with those, ever. Big mess.

In other news, congratulations, this is the stupidest thing you've ever written. :toast:

[malletgirl02]

101. Pissing contest

DU at times was a pissing contest without this feature. Also, a few of the same people who is against unrec are just as childish as they say others are. They are post snide replies, which is just as childish as unrecing for spite.

[Laelth]

102. Well said. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[Forkboy]

107. I think people need to take a deep breath and relax.