Is Anybody Else As Spooked As I Am About The Latest Revelations On The C Street House.....

[global1]

the Family; Cheney's Assassination Teams, CIA Lying, Torture, Illegal Wars, Domestic Surveillance, DOJ firings, this whole economic downturn that looks like it was orchestrated and condoned by BushCo, etc.

What kind of sick and twisted country do we live in anyway? Will we ever get to the bottom of this?

[Mari333]

1. lotsa good info on here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6044924&mesg_id=6044924

[mirrera]

2. I am worried about what they need to do to knock this off the news cycle.

Every time we get close to unraveling the mess something happens to distract.

[imdjh]

5. The Family townhouse ought to be a major tourist attraction. Cameras snapping all the time.

I think it's illegal. These Congressmen are paying rent, below market rent, to a landlord which pretends to be a church. I don't know where you grew up, but my church didn't rent rooms. So each of these Congressmen is getting a donation each month from a political influence group. A donation which cannot legally be tracked. Moreover, if these Congressmen are actually paying a lot more than $600 per month, they could be paying back for favors, money which is then "church money" and cannot be tracked when it's given to others.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

8. THEY MUST BE HOUNDED OUT OF OUR CONGRESS

[Hannah Bell]

20. "getting a donation each month from a political influence group." good point.

[Overseas]

23. I like that idea. Hope it becomes a paparazzi hangout.

Let the voters back home know what lovely company their representatives keep.

[annabanana]

27. Marvelous idea!. . . Anyone in the DC area.. DON'T MISS IT!

Theocrat Central USA. Where some of the most evil plots are hatched! You never know who you might see going through that door!

[and-justice-for-all]

3. If they prosecuted, maybe...

but until then it will have to wait 50 years before they say "yeah, they did those things". Just like when we learned that they lied to get us in to Vietnam; Gulf Of Tonken incident was a complete lie.

[newfie11]

4. Kind of makes you wonder what else we don't know yet

I don't know if anyone in politics today has the balls to stand up for what is right. Money is buying their votes.

[annm4peace]

6. # 1 close the C street "House"

and require back taxes since they listed as a "Church". IRS should audit all involved with the C street "House".

# 2. All Congress members and anyone in the "Family" who works in Public office or for the Feds should resign or be forced to resign immediately.

# 3. All involved in C street should be investigated.

[Usrename]

16. Are you one of those Hillary haters?

She should resign?

[CanonRay]

24. Why the hell not?

If she's involved in this group, get rid of her too. It's fascist and subversive.

[Usrename]

25. They are a scary bunch of folks.

(I knew I'd get in trouble for not using the sarcasm thingy on that post.)

:hide:

[lib_wit_it]

21. Unquestionably these things *should* happren. Odds any of them will? /

[napi21]

7. The fact that so far we KNOW several Stnators either lived there

or frequented the place scares me. How many more congressmen & Senators are members but we don't know it?

Personally I DGAS what they want to believe in or worship, but to know their intent is to form a theocracy of the US gov't and to take over the world is way more than scary!

At least Helms & Santorum are out of gov't, and the more they really show themselves for what they are the more of them that will be voted out!

[global1]

10. It's Time To Start Delving Into The Actions Of These Lawmakers That Live In This C-Street House....

We already seen what Ensign & Sanford were up to.

Now we need to give a good look at the others that live in this house or have frequented this house and see what kind of lives they live.

Perhaps they got in under the radar before - but now they've been outed and should be scrutinized.

Here are some of the names of the others on Capitol Hill that are said to currently live in this house: Lawmakers who live there include
Reps. Zach Wamp, R-Tenn.
Bart Stupak, D-Mich.
Jim DeMint, R-S.C.
Mike Doyle, D-Pa.
Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma
Sam Brownback, R-Kan.

I wonder what kind of voting record these guys have up on the Hill?

Is there a pattern in their support or lack of support for the various bills that flow through Congress?

I'm also wondering who some of the alumni are that lived in this house during previous Congresses?

We're currently in the 111th Congress now.

Who was part of this family in the 110th, 109th, 108th.... and how did they vote?

Is this house Co-Ed?

Do/Did women lawmakers live there as well? Do women lawmakers frequent the house?

This group sounds really creepy. I wonder what kind of influence patterns will be seen as to how this group has shaped this country?

It's time for some real investigative reporting.

[imdjh]

14. The probably didn't want the women to have their own house, for obvious reasons.

But if they did, it would probably be on Logan Circle*, where the C Street house belongs as well.


* Notorious whorehouse district

[Shallah Kali]

15. Women are lesser beings to the family tho a few get nearly a man status

Worse Than Fascists: Christian Political Group 'The Family' Openly Reveres Hitler
http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/87665

Lindsay Beyerstein: In the book you say that the Family treats powerful women like Hillary Clinton as if they belonged to a kind of "third gender" that's female but not subordinate like ordinary women …

Jeff Sharlet: When I was at Ivanwald, I'd see these young women as servants. They came from wealthy families. They were women who have a lot of privileges in life. You'd have expected to have gone on to great things because they started with a big push {LB Note: But the Family had them scrubbing floors and serving coffee.} Then a woman political leader would come around and it would be a whole different story.

There are wives like Grace Nelson, wife of conservative Democrat Bill Nelson. Bill was an astronaut -- still has a spacesuit. He still wears it for occasions.

Lindsay Beyerstein: The suit still fits?

Jeff Sharlet: He's quite trim, I'll give him that. But Grace is obviously the political mover and shaker in that couple. She served on board of the Fellowship Foundation. Still, she's just the wife, secondary. Same with Joanne Kemp. Jack Kemp is a pretty aggressive leader, but it was Joanne who brought Christian ideas to Washington to start the Schaeffer Foundation nonprofit for the study of these ideas.

Two ways third gender works in the Family: There are these very strong wives who oftentimes are very strong-willed people. I'm just reading Katherine Joyce's book on Quiverfull … And the other are women like Hillary Clinton, who's just a man as far as they're concerned.

[napi21]

17. I know Santorum & Helms were both members. n/t

[harmonicon]

9. none of this shit spooks me anymore

for the first few years of Bush, there was, almost weekly, something that made me say "What the fuck?!!?! They'll never get away with this. They're toast for sure." When it became absolutely clear that they would get away with anything and everything, I stopped being surprised or shocked. Seriously, if it was revealed that Buschco hunted humans for sport, I wouldn't be surprised, and I wouldn't be surprised when there was ample evidence of it and nothing was done about it.

[global1]

13. Call Me A Conspiracy Theorist - But I'm Beginning To Wear That Title Proudly As

I believe that they had this all ready to go for Bush 41's second term - except he got beat by Clinton and this whole scheme was delayed 8 years. In those 8 years though - they honed their plan and then stole the presidency in 2000 with the help of SCOTUS and then initiated their plan immediately upon the decision by SCOTUS to seat Bush 43.

Come on - everything was in place - the plan for domestic surveillance, the new Pearl Harbor, the Patriot Act, the Shock & Awe Illegal Iraq War, etc.

Why do you think they went after Clinton with such a vengeance? They wanted him impeached and out of office so they could initiate the plan sooner. I'm now fearing that the 'vast right wing conspiracy' was far vaster than we'd ever believe.

Now with the revelations of the 'Family' and the Cheney Assassination Teams; the whole economic collapse in the U.S. which Paul O'Neill warned BushCo about and Cheney had him fired; the Torture; the CIA lying; etc - I tell you this is some pretty scary stuff.

You might call us at DU Conspiracy Theorists - but - just about everything we talked about during the 8 years under BushCo is turning out to be true.

I hopeful that all of this will be exposed and that some people will be held accountable and we'll have safeguards put into the system that nothing like this could ever happen again in this country.

But I really fear that the government has been penetrated far too deep and that this too will go unpunished and will be swept under the table - only to rear its ugly head when the Repugs again regain the power.

[Usrename]

18. What? You mean you don't believe the 9/11 Commission Report?

I never did believe any of it. Turns out that it's all based on tortured confessions and murdered witnesses.

Didn't take a rocket scientist to see that coming.

[Echo In Light]

28. Precisely. And I'll go one further and suggest the Dems were in on it to take a fall in both 00/04

Think about it ...both times the candidates simply shrugged and walked away. Kerry conceded immediately, even though he admitted to author/professor Mark Crispin Miller that he knew the election was stolen. A little too convenient to be coincidental twice.

I suspect very dark, right-wing elements are behind most of the evil shit that occurs here, or carried out in our names throughout the world. Think of how utterly soulless and heartless incident after incident is that occurs within the corporate/state nexus...some cover up, another swindle so massive that people don't see it, or don't want to. From Power's perspective the more successful its machinations is directly determined by mass deception, malfeasance and immorality. And idiots here exclaim how "conspiracies" are non existent. It's astonishing how easily Power can control the ignorant and indoctrinated. How's that old bit go, "the best trick the devil ever played was convincing us he didn't exist."

[wroberts189]

11. To quote the mythical pirate Jack Sparrow..

"Pretend its all a nightmare mate, that's how I get along."


He also had lots of rum.

[wroberts189]

12. I am now thanks to you ! (kidding ..well not really) nt

[LaurenG]

19. I think this type of thing has always happened

This time it was Cheney the last time it was George Herbert Walker Bush as deputy directer of the CIA, and of course J Edgar Hoover. Bad men have done bad things since the inception of this country. It's disappointing to say the least.

[GeorgeGist]

22. Not so much ...

as Obama's pollyanna plan to keep the spooks hidden in the past.

[leftofthedial]

26. ya say ya want a revolution

well, you know...

[dana_b]

29. shock doctrine

after reading that book, I'm not "shocked" or spooked at anything. A sad fact.

Everything you mentioned plus Katrina, California and numerous other states financial emergencies, unemployment, etc. I think it was all orchestrated and the "haves" are very happy right now.

[earth mom]

30. So the religious nut jobs have taken over the government. Is anyone really surprised?

Obama has a "faith based office".

Which does NOT belong in the U.S. government as per the Constitution.

For such a Constitutional Scholar, Obama must have failed a few of his classes.

But hey, * did it, so it's ALL good. :eyes:

[dem mba]

31. every bad thing that happens is not the result of a BushCo plan

if they were so smart they would still be in power.

[Echo In Light]

32. No. The 'smart' angle would be to make it appear that they and their ilk are gone.

[bridgit]

33. Very sick & twisted, it's designed that way to the sound of angels singing about purple mountains

and amber waves of grain; though imo in order to get to the bottom someone will need to be pushed down the well. I say go ahead and start with these quasi-religious C Street zealots & sex fetishes, and you know that if Rev. Wright had let slip some glancing refs to Hitler and having to be able to *not* love your loved ones in order to be accepted by a guy who's own father allowed him to be ceremoniously nailed to a cross...I say start with them start with these most glaring hypocrits...

And right when too many thought that Opus Dei was the scariest thing out there and so by the pricking of my thumbs something C Street this way comes

[live love laugh]

34. "The Family." How much closer to the mafioso can we get?

This stuff is ridiculous.

When I heard about this on the Hartman show, the author said that "The Family" spokespersons even deny that the organization exists at all it is so secret. Yet, our lawmakers are being manipulated by this and other monied groups all of whom are much more important, it seems, than voter groups.