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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:09 AM
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Hillary's Association With "The Family"
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich

"Clinton fell in with The Family in 1993, when she joined a Bible study group composed of wives of conservative leaders like Jack Kemp and James Baker. When she ascended to the Senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family's "most elite cell," the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, which included, until his downfall, Virginia's notoriously racist Senator George Allen. This has not been a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, The Family's publicity-averse leader, that he is "a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

Furthermore, The Family takes credit for some of Clinton's rightward legislative tendencies, including her support for a law guaranteeing "religious freedom" in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics.

What drew Clinton into the sinister heart of the international right? Maybe it was just a phase in her tormented search for identity, marked by ever-changing hairstyles and names: Hillary Rodham, Mrs. Bill Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton and now Hillary Clinton. She reached out to many potential spiritual mentors during her White House days, including New Age guru Marianne Williamson and the liberal rabbi Michael Lerner. But it was the Family association that stuck."
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coyotespaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:19 AM
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1. -1 We've all seen this crap before.
I, for one, would rather not relive the primary wars. No need to pick the scabs off the old wounds.
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:48 AM
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9. Who's the we in "we've"? I've never seen it before. I appreciate
finding out about it. If Hillary belongs to the dark side, everyone needs to know. Shouldn't any wounds from the primaries have healed long ago?
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 05:38 AM
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21. Certainly should have.
The article was published in spring/08.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:24 AM
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43. you're correct -- this is not about reliving primary wounds. this is about putting a stop
to this outrageous corruption of the separation of church and state. it's about deflating the outrageous power this group has amassed. it's about getting our country back.

it's obvious that a major reason Hillary got involved with The Family was to broker some of their power as well as to inoculate herself against them. Because The Family is one of the most powerful groups in Washington, they have successfully co-opted politicians of all stripes -- many who wouldn't otherwise have anything to do with such fascistic theology (that the powerful are "chosen" and therefore above sin/WRONGDOING).

given their power, and especially given the fact that they've co-opted many Dems, it's all the more critical that we shine a bright light on their "theology" and political practice INCLUDING calling out the dems who have drank at their trough. we have the ability to shame those dems out of this coterie. we don't have that power with GOP members. so, even though the whole enterprise of calling out The Family is "outsider politics," by having Dems on the inside, we're able to participate in a small amount of "insider" politics by calling them to task. it's an effective strategy, whereas protecting "our own" is exactly what the David Coes of the world are counting on.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:13 AM
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54. It's not "crap". We need to know about these links to this radical organization. Here's more:
A New Divinely Ordained President: The Hand of God or the Silence of the Press?
Posted March 26, 2008 | 10:39 AM (EST)

Imagine a presidential candidate who believed that God wanted him to run for president because American needed him. Picture a secretive group of Washington insiders who meet quietly to mix religion, class and politics and who believe in an elite group of people divinely ordained to run the country and the world. Now envision this group meeting in sex-segregated cells to discuss how God has chosen them to fulfill their roles in public life. And, at the helm of this group, picture a figure described by an admirer as a "guy in the smoky back room" who "sits in the corner, and you see the cigar, and you see the flame, and you hear his voice -- but you never see his face" whose followers have made "a fetish of being invisible." Now imagine that a few of the members of this group outside of the U.S. have included "General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators."

For those of you who think you're reading about George W. Bush and his administration, you'd be mistaken, though members of the Bush administration do belong to the sect described. The presidential candidate is Hillary Clinton, and the group is "The Foundation" also known as "The Family." Its leader is Doug Coe, a man described by Clinton as "a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God." Yes, it's true, according to Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet who published an article in Mother Jones magazine in September 2007 about Hillary Clinton's deepening ties to the group.


According to Mother Jones, Clinton has been meeting regularly with The Foundation's women's bible study groups since 1993 and moving up through its ranks. Clinton herself has written in Living History about Coe and her first encounter with him at The Foundation's estate and how deeply he impressed her. According to one of Mother Jones' sources, a Coe supporter, Clinton "has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance." The article goes on to report that "These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be Coe's most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast." But, despite the words she has written about Coe and the reports of her deepening involvement with the Fellowship, Clinton has refused requests by the press for interviews about Coe and her membership in The Fellowship. But clearly, she is not as scrupulous about her association with religious figures in her life as she claimed when attacking Barack Obama for remaining in Pastor Jeremiah Wright's congregation.

Others who have been involved with the group have broken the code of silence. Sharlet himself went to live with one of the cells of The Foundation and describes the inner workings and ideology of the organization in an article that appeared in Harper's magazine in March of 2003. He writes that The Family is "in its own words, an "invisible" association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N. Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as "members," as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities." Is this why Hillary Clinton has refused requests for interviews about her association with The Family?

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-gans/a-new-divinely-ordained-p_b_93425.html

Hillary’s Nasty Pastorate

There’s a reason why Hillary Clinton has remained relatively silent during the flap over intemperate remarks by Barack Obama’s former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. When it comes to unsavory religious affiliations, she’s a lot more vulnerable than Obama.

You can find all about it in a widely under-read article in the September 2007 issue of Mother Jones, in which Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet reported that “through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the “Fellowship,” aka The Family. But it won’t be a secret much longer. Jeff Sharlet’s shocking exposé, The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power will be published in May.

Sean Hannity has called Obama’s church a “cult,” but that term applies far more aptly to Clinton’s “Family,” which is organized into “cells” – their term – and operates sex-segregated group homes for young people in northern Virginia. In 2002, writer Jeff Sharlet joined the Family’s home for young men, foreswearing sex, drugs, and alcohol, and participating in endless discussions of Jesus and power. He wasn’t undercover; he used his own name and admitted to being a writer. But he wasn’t completely out of danger either. When he went outdoors one night to make a cell phone call, he was followed. He still gets calls from Family associates asking him to meet them in diners – alone.

The Family’s most visible activity is its blandly innocuous National Prayer Breakfast, held every February in Washington. But almost all its real work goes on behind the scenes – knitting together international networks of rightwing leaders, most of them ostensibly Christian. In the 1940s, The Family reached out to former and not-so-former Nazis, and its fascination with that exemplary leader, Adolph Hitler, has continued, along with ties to a whole bestiary of murderous thugs. As Sharlet reported in Harper’s in 2003:

During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa's postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred thousand “Communists” killed marks him as one of the century's most murderous dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S. government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova, convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to both the CIA and death squads before his own demise.



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http://www.ehrenreich.blogs.com/barbaras_blog/2008/03/hillarys-nasty.html

HARPERS: " Jesus Plus Nothing: Undercover among America's Secret Theocrats"


Jesus plus nothing:
Undercover among America's secret theocrats


Originally from Harpers Magazine, March 2003, by Jeffrey Sharlet, discusses 'the family' in Washington D.C.

-snip
By the end of the war, nearly a third of U.S. senators attended one of his weekly prayer meetings.

In 1944, Vereide had foreseen what he called “the new world order.” “Upon the termination of the war there will be many men available to carry on,” Vereide wrote in a letter to his wife. “Now the ground-work must be laid and our leadership brought to face God in humility, prayer and obedience.” He began organizing prayer meetings for delegates to the United Nations, at which he would instruct them in God's plan for rebuilding from the wreckage of the war. Donald Stone, a high-ranking administrator of the Marshall Plan, joined the directorship of Vereide's organization. In an undated letter, he wrote Vereide that he would “soon begin a tour around the world for the , combining with this a spiritual mission.” In 1946, Vereide, too, toured the world, traveling with letters of introduction from a half dozen senators and representatives, and from Paul G. Hoffman, the director of the Marshall Plan. He traveled also with a mandate from General John Hildring, assistant secretary of state, to oversee the creation of a list of good Germans of “the predictable type” (many of whom, Vereide believed, were being held for having “the faintest connection” with the Nazi regime), who could be released from prison “to be used, according to their ability in the tremendous task of reconstruction.” Vereide met with Jewish survivors and listened to their stories, but he nevertheless considered ex-Nazis well suited for the demands of “strong” government, so long as they were willing to worship Christ as they had Hitler.

In 1955, Senator Frank Carlson, a close adviser to Eisenhower and an even closer associate of Vereide's, convened a meeting at which he declared the Family's mission to be a “worldwide spiritual offensive,” in which common cause would be made with anyone opposed to the Soviet Union. That same year, the Family financed an anti-Communist propaganda film, Militant Liberty, for use by the Defense Department in influencing opinion abroad. By the Kennedy era, the spiritual offensive had fronts on every continent but Antarctica (which Family missionaries would not visit until the 1980s). In 1961, Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia deeded the Family a prime parcel in downtown Addis Ababa to serve as an African headquarters, and by then the Family also had powerful friends in South Africa, Nigeria, and Kenya. Back home, Senator Strom Thurmond prepared several reports for Vereide concerning the Senate's deliberations. Former president Eisenhower, Doug Coe would later claim at a private meeting of politicians, once pledged secret operatives to aid the Family's operations. Even in Franco's Spain, Vereide once boasted at a prayer breakfast in 1965, “there are secret cells such as the American Embassy the Standard Oil office to move practically anywhere.”

By the late sixties, Vereide's speeches to local prayer breakfast groups had become minor news events, and Family members' travels on behalf of Christ had attracted growing press attention. Vereide began to worry that the movement he had spent his life building might become just another political party. In 1966, a few years before he was “promoted” to heaven at age eighty-four, Vereide wrote a letter declaring it time to “submerge the institutional image of .” No longer would the Family recruit its powerful members in public, nor recruit so many. “There has always been one man,” wrote Vereide, “or a small core who have caught the vision for their country and become aware of what a 'leadership led by God' could mean spiritually to the nation and to the world. . . . It is these men, banded together, who can accomplish the vision God gave me years ago.”

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http://harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525


Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics

NEWS: For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating—or living her faith?

By Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet
Illustration by: Andy Friedman
September 1, 2007



It was an elegant example of the Clinton style, a rhetorical maneuver subtle, bold, and banal all at once. During a Democratic candidate forum in June, hosted by the liberal evangelical group Sojourners, Hillary Clinton fielded a softball query about Bill's infidelity: How had her faith gotten her through the Lewinsky scandal?

After a glancing shot at Republican "pharisees," Clinton explained that, of course, her "very serious" grounding in faith had helped her weather the affair. But she had also relied on the "extended faith family" that came to her aid, "people whom I knew who were literally praying for me in prayer chains, who were prayer warriors for me."

Such references to spiritual warfare—prayer as battle against Satan, evil, and sin—might seem like heavy evangelical rhetoric for the senator from New York, but they went over well with the Sojourners audience, as did her call to "inject faith into policy." It was language that recalled Clinton's Jesus moment a year earlier, when she'd summoned the Bible to decry a Republican anti-immigrant initiative that she said would "criminalize the good Samaritan...and even Jesus himself." Liberal Christians crowed ("Hillary Clinton Shows the Way Democrats Can Use the Bible," declared a blogger at TPMCafe) while conservative pundits cried foul, accusing Clinton of scoring points with a faith not really her own.

-snip

Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer.

-snip

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:45 AM
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60. need more unrecs to get this off the greatest page
:sarcasm:

nobody needs to know about her involvement

:puke:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:44 PM
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70. "Meet Hillary's Religious Leader, Rightwingnut Doug Coe" (started by Stephanie March 14, 2008)
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 12:47 PM by bobthedrummer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5071798

I don't think it's crap at all considering that she is the Secretary of State of The United States of America...
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 03:28 PM
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81. I understand the reason not to pick old wounds...

but the PROMIS connections should also be looked into (and more importantly the successors to PROMIS)

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/11_19_01_magic_carpet.html
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:29 AM
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2. Oh wow - *that* "Family". I hadn't made the connection.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:32 AM
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3. I haven't seen this before.

Thanks for posting.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:34 AM
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:37 AM
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7. I don't, but I wish I did! HUNGRY!
:rofl:
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:35 AM
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5. What - are you gonna post a hundred threads on this crap about Hillary?
you Hillary Haters are reall something...
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:43 AM
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39. Rather than rail against the Hillary Haters ...
verify that it's crap.

As yet, I can't trust Hillary to do what's best for herself.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:34 AM
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50. It Worked During the Primaries and Was Such a Nice Diversion
From discussing issues.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:35 AM
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6. I don't particularly care for the tone of this article,
but I do recall hearing about the association some years ago. What's your reason for posting about it now?
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:51 AM
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24. Could it possibly be...
that the Family has been the topic of several threads in the last couple of days?

I love how some DU icons are above reproach, while others are continually throw under the bus as "whackos", etc.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:34 AM
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36. ???
.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:42 AM
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51. It's the same secretive cultish group that Ensign & Sanford belong to.
And the leadership of the group knew of & approved of their crimes.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:59 AM
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52. I know about the group.
But this I don't understand. 'I love how some DU icons are above reproach, while others are continually throw under the bus as "whackos", etc.'
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:20 AM
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57. Every week or two we get a thread bashing Randi Rhodes
because of something she said about Hillary (off the air) a year & a half ago. Same thing with Michael Moore & Mike Malloy. They don't toe the Dem party line, so some people are compelled to attack them.

But the same people will attack anyone who makes valid criticisms of their political idol.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:51 AM
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95. The Rhodes comment was absolutely uncalled for
An association of ANY politician with this creepy "family" needs to be exposed, no matter who it is.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 03:20 PM
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79. Please see Post #68 below.
I hope this clarifies the point I attempted to make.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:33 PM
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90. It doesn't clarify anything for me.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 03:23 PM
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80. Please see Post #68 below.
I hope this clarifies the point I was trying to make.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:23 PM
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68. "I do recall hearing about the association some years ago.
What's your reason for posting about it now?"

"Could it possibly be...that the Family has been the topic of several threads in the last couple of days?"

We had a whole flapdoodle over President Obama and Rick Warren giving a public prayer. Sinister? Perhaps.

Now we have Hillary involved with a shadow crypto-christian organization.
Sinister? Perhaps.

"I love how some DU icons are above reproach, while others are continually throw under the bus as 'whackos', etc."

Then we have Dennis Kucinich being thrown under the bus here on DU by many detractors. (And being declaimed as being 'whacko').

!
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:55 AM
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25. Threads about "The Family" and the house on C have been all over DU for the past couple of days.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 03:39 PM
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83. Not just all over DU, but in the National Media.
"The Family" and the "House on C Street" have been exposed to the national limelight.
It is only natural for Hillary's long term connection and allegiance to this group to be re-evaluated.

There are other "Democrats" who are members of this "organization".
Mark Pryor (Ark)
Nelson (Fla)

I would like a complete list of all "Democrats" who belong to this cult (and it IS a cult).
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:38 AM
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8. Whadda buncha shit.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 04:14 AM
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14. +1
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:26 AM
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44. It's the truth though. Uncomfortable for Hillary's true supporters. But let's not stick out heads in
the sand.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:17 AM
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56. +1
If we complain about the Democrats behavior, we have to be willing to research what factors are at play.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:52 AM
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65. Those with their heads in the sand expose their thinking parts! n/t
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:49 AM
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10. Hang in there, RandySF!
I'm looking for some answers, too!

I don't own a flame-suit but I hope you do!

:hi:
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:57 AM
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11. I have a thick skin
It's not about the primaries, it's about how far up the ladder this group lives, and we may have a greater obligation to call out Democrats, especially those that might be trying to block progress. Hillary's association may be more innocuous (or maybe not if they influenced the Clinton administration) but we still need to look at the whole record.
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 03:01 AM
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12. ...
:thumbsup:
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 03:07 AM
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13. Yup! Couldn't agree more!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

btw, I love SF!
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 04:17 AM
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15. That's true
knowing what's going on is always a good thing. :thumbsup:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:12 AM
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42. i'm sure *one* reason she joined The Family was political expediency -- that, they wield so much
power, and so you either find a way get inside or suffer the wrath of the mafia-like network. what we're doing right now -- shining a light on The Family -- deflates their power.

getting this out in the open is one of the most powerful acts we can manage as outsiders.


the reason why it's important to put pressure on Dems is that they're the most vulnerable to the negative publicity. it's damn good strategy.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:27 AM
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45. I agree with your supposition about Hillary's joining. But it really is NOT just a good ole boy club
for the super wealthy.

It does have a core philosophy and a mission.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:44 AM
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59. To your observation...
It does have a core philosophy and a mission.


That is exactly what makes them so dangerous. There are not that many things that really worry, or even scare me, but this group is a cause of great concern. I'm happy the story is coming out more pronounced now and I hope it doesn't just disappear again in a few days. The Family is not the cause of all our problems, but they are a serious threat to what the founding fathers intended.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:45 AM
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61. yep -- totally agree.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 04:23 AM
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16. We already knew this, no. I guess a reminder isn't out of order though.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 04:27 AM
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17. And she subverted the country, how?
I know that we Lefties go ga-ga over guilt by association, but the anti-Clinton jihad is getting old. Besides which, it has been just as much of a waste as the Right's anti-Clinton jihad.

I read Dianetics once; it doesn't mean I'm a Scientologist and hang with Tom Cruise and Beck. Hillary's record is what matters, not her politicking with loons.

--d!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:28 AM
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46. She didn't just read The Family's brochure once. She was (is?) a member who attended meetings.
And talked up the leader.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 05:05 AM
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18. +1
- These people need to be exposed to the light of day and shown to everyone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_(Christian_political_organization)">for what they truly are. Not to mention that they are a blatant violation of the separation of church and state.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 05:16 AM
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19. The Nation is pretty reliable...
and does a fine job of reporting.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 05:34 AM
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20. Generally.
But the tone of this is a bit snarky for me.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 05:55 PM
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86. Rather odd coming from them...nt
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:34 AM
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22. Oh yeah, she studies the bible and prays so she is a right wing nut.
Stupid.
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western mass Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:07 AM
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29. She studies the bible & prays WITH right-wing nuts.
That's the point.

and yes, I have a problem with that. Just as much as if she prayed and studied with the Taliban.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:16 PM
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77. And, because they're such fucking hypocrites
about EVERYTHING. I think Hillary has done a great turnaround from the primaries and I appreciate her now.

She sure doesn't need this rw crap anymore.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:30 AM
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47. there is a HELL of a lot more to this organization than that. You can make the case she just joined
and participated for political expediency as someone above suggests. But The Family is not a harmless bible study group.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:12 PM
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67. she's either a dupe, a mole, or a true believer.
I don't think I can see a positive explanation. :shrug:

--imm
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:46 AM
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23. It's the nature of the work
of politics to deal with all sorts of people. And people with influence would merit special attention to find out just what gives them their influence.



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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:58 AM
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26. Did you read the first paragraph of the OP?
"This has not been a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, The Family's publicity-averse leader, that he is 'a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God.'"

After all the Rick Warren flapdoodle, she gets a pass for this?
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:00 AM
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27. Cognitive dissonance.
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 07:00 AM by JTFrog
They didn't want to hear it during the primaries either.

Although I'm pretty sure it's only being drudged up now because folks are rippin the Repubs involved with the group and the house.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:02 AM
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62. Nevertheless, we heard it every single day.
I wish you guys' pony would learn a new trick.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:30 PM
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94. they just put their fingers in their ears and hum loud
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 11:43 PM by Lord Helmet
---> kicked and rec'd
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 04:09 PM
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84. The article states the position that she is involved now
and has been since 1993. But we do not know that. We do not know when she wrote that about Coe. The article is going to give information that supports the author's position.

The "Family" organization is going to take credit for any "conservative" position Clinton takes. Because they can and may not be disputed. But it's like my 3 year old Grandson taking credit for the traffic light turning to green.

She doesn't get "a pass" on this. But the situation has changed since 1993.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:06 AM
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28. This is a great example of the abuse of the unrec feature.
--imm
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:08 AM
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30. Nah.
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 07:22 AM by JTFrog
It got buried time and time again last year too. I don't think it has anything to do with DU features.

*on edit - It, not I :blush:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:53 AM
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31. Yes, it is
an example of how a small, coordinated clique can impose its will to censor on a site with such a ill-conceived feature.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:41 AM
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37. Pointing this out
...may lead to a reaction as well...
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:57 AM
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32. Id like to have the names of all the Dems involved with the Family
oh and, +1
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:13 PM
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71. Off the top of my head..
Ben Nelson, Bill Nelson, Mark Pryor, Bart Stupak
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:00 AM
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33. Oh.
I never knew she lived at the Spahn Ranch. Thank you for this wonnerfilled information.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:01 AM
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34. Hillary's connection can be found here too...a DU post citing a Mother Jones article from 2007.
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 08:02 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:04 AM
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35. heres some pretty good info on it, Hillary, the Dems, and more
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:41 AM
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38. This is the outcome, when not-particularly religious dems have to pretend to be
when they try (in vain) to woo the dumb-ass right wing jesus-freaks.. (who would never vote for them anyway)
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:48 AM
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40. I do remember this story about Sec. Clinton and frankly it concerned me then
As it does now if there's any truth to it or the stories about this group. That said, I absolutely concede that even if Sec. Clinton was involved, just being associated with an organization in some ways doesn't mean you subscribe to their Dogma. I suspect if this "Family" is as powerful and insidious as some of the stories I've seen on Rachel Maddow suggest, then they are aggressive recruiters but probably hide their true nature in their primary pitch. As does any manipulative religion/organization/cult looking to swell their ranks with movers and shakers.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:33 AM
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49. True, like Reverend Moon. But after a certain point, if you keep attending meetings
it does lead to a certain unsavory smell to outside observers.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:59 AM
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41. We wound up last cycle with a choice between two
candidates with nasty religious associations. Obama with McClurkin and Caldwell and the rest of the Bush prayer circle, McClurkin leading with his declarations of war against gay people, his accusations that we 'kill children'. So it was that vs the Family. Haters vs haters.
It is good to know that their faith has made them into the sort of leaders that ruin the economy, the reputation, and the wealth of our nation. Praise the Lord indeed.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:30 AM
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48. Psssst.. The Primaries Are Over. You Won
Why can't you be happy?
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:09 AM
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53. The last paragraph has me questioning the author's true motivations
'Maybe it was just a phase in her tormented search for identity, marked by ever-changing hairstyles...'

WTF?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:16 AM
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55. Read post #54. I added more sources on this. This is a dangerous group & someone
needs to ask Ms Clinton to explain her connections to this radical elitist group!
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:24 PM
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91. OK, fair enough, but I find it difficult to believe that Clinton would knowingly
support any effort for fundie christian world domination.

To me, the whole idea's laughable.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:27 AM
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58. IMO, Sen. Clinton can handle 'em.


As can other, highly visible and more popular leaders who are Democrats handle their past or present religious ties

Gee, I'm glad we're avoiding primary-type battles. :sarcasm:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:04 AM
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63. Whoa! This is what is wrong with Obama, he picks such crazies for his administration. n/t
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:19 AM
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64. For that, you get my first-ever fist bump!
:fistbump: :rofl:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:10 PM
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66. Just because she hang out with them a few times doesn;t mean she's part of the gang.
I'm sure the Right-wing vicious BS starting in 1995 ended that real quick.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:26 PM
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69. Unrecommend KABOOM KABOOM! n/t
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:30 PM
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72. Obama is a part of this kind of shit too. His unconstitutional "faith based office" proves it.
People need to get honest around here.

The fundie whack jobs are controlling the government.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:53 PM
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74. Oh. Is Obama a member of The Family? Link please?
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:02 PM
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75. I have not seen anything
If he is, I will call him on it.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 03:30 PM
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82. Your libdar (liberal detecting and ranging) is in need of some adjustment.
You detected a liberal but your range was off..

The poster clearly meant "this shit" to mean religion intruding into government in general rather than just this specific sect.


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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 05:07 PM
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85. Ah. So Obama is not a member of The Family. Thanks for the clarification!
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:14 PM
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87. Yeah, but since we are following the trail of (potential) influence..
The Family (Christian political organization)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Family is a movement that has been known by several different names, including The Fellowship, The Fellowship Foundation, National Fellowship Council, Fellowship House, The International Foundation, National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, C Street, and the National Leadership Council. It is an informal and highly secretive international movement that is centered around the life and teachings of Jesus as the common ground across all religious and political divisions.<1> It is best known for its role in organizing the annual National Prayer Breakfast, at which the President of the United States customarily makes an address. The current leader of the organization is Doug Coe.<2><3>

The group is associated with many influential leaders, from members of the United States Congress to the heads of humanitarian aid organizations. One of The Family's principles is "leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit."<4>

And then we come to http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/us/politics/05text-prayer.html

President Obama’s Remarks at National Prayer Breakfast








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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 03:07 PM
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78. Id like to know why the 'faith based' bullshit is still continuiing to be funded also nt
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:52 PM
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73. I am a Clinton supporter
and I have no problem with her association with "The Family" being questioned, but the article showed a definite bias and nastiness with the snide tormented search for identity, ever-changing hairstyles and names comment.

Women change their hair all the time for reasons that have nothing to do with a tormented search for identity. Some women use their maiden and married name and then find out it's a pain to write it all out each time....I did and dropped my maiden name. No identity crisis was involved.

The article appears to be some facts wrapped in condescending, hateful snark.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:06 PM
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76. Sorry to hear this. I was beginning to like her agaim.
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pratikdaklawa Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:23 PM
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88. Techies hate Hillary Clinton aka Ms Punjab
HILLARY CLINTON (D-PUNJAB)'S PERSONAL FINANCIAL AND POLITICAL TIES TO INDIA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3318701
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:30 PM
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89. The first I had heard of Hillary being a part of this cult
was a couple of days ago and it is totally relevant and it doesn't at all surprise me.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:53 PM
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92. Recommend. Sunlight is the best disinfectant for Republicans and Democrats.
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:57 PM
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93. The author lost me with the "ever-changing hairstyles" bit....good grief. n/t
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