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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:47 AM
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Afghan Police set up 'bachabazi compounds' to rape pre-pubescent children.
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 11:18 AM by denem
Source: Washington Post

ANKELA, Afghanistan (Reuters) - As British troops moved into the village newly freed from Taliban control, they heard one message from the anxious locals: for God's sake do not bring back the Afghan police ...

... as they advance, they are learning uncomfortable facts about their local allies: villagers say the government's police force was so brutal and corrupt that they welcomed the Taliban as liberators...

(Mohammad Gul, an elder in the village of Pankela) pointed to two compounds of neighbors where pre-teen children had been abducted by police to be used for the local practice of "bachabazi," or sex with pre-pubescent boys.

"If the boys were out in the fields, the police would come and rape them," he said. "You can go to any police base and you will see these boys. They hold them until they are finished with them and then let the child go."

The Interior Ministry in Kabul said it would contact police commanders in the area before responding in detail.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/12/AR2009071200868.html

The message given loud and clear to the advancing troops: "If (the British) bring these people back, we can't live here."
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:02 AM
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1. here are some Videos and a link that explain it better....>>Link>>
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 11:06 AM by sam sarrha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNUxq8rI6lM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZtnUwjJiLg&feature=related
fgmard (4 days ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply this typial panjsheer ,,if you dont believe me than see all the clips ,,and concentrate in the way speak ,,all of them are sick ,,,panjsheer ist source of this sickness
samanee58 (2 weeks ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply Feriz Kobduzi is a Pakistani spy working a singer in Afghanistan and in all such parties he is the the singer. He has good relations with Pakistanis and his group make all these videos in Northern Afghanistan and takes it to Pakistan. these tapes are his work. He is setting in this party too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7ZqM4pbe7A
N1TR0u5Ox1d3 (3 months ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply get ur facts right first b4 u say something u stupid ignorant bastard!
it'll make u look less stupid
lilalicious01 (1 month ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply YOU FUCKING SON OF A BITCH! Muhammad was NO pedophile. He was PROPHET! Understand! a prophet, sent by God and i don't think god would a send a prophet to be a pedophile you fucking moron. Next time..get ur facts right.

http://dinahlord.blogspot.com/2008/07/un-to-afghanistan-bacha-bazi-or-boy.html
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Gwendolyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:36 AM
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6. Absolutely sickening. No words to describe. n/t
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:04 AM
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2. sick
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:09 AM
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3.  Sarah Chayes, former NPR reporter, is working with Afghan farming cooperatives to help
them organize and resist the Taliban. She is on the ground in Afghanistan and has to be hidden from the local Taliban or she would be killed--along with her associates in the cooperatives.

This is someone who has no political ax to grind, but wants to see the Afghani people govern themselves. According to her, the corruption of the Karzai government and its provincial police is so pervasive and so brutal, it is THE MAJOR REASON so many of the Afghanis turn to the Taliban.

She is firmly convinced that the American and coalition troops have no hope of winning the hearts and minds of the Afghan people until the corruption is eliminated. Interestingly enough, she says that the vast majority of Afghans were relieved and happy when the U.S. troops drove out the Taliban and they actually supported the U.S. until the Karzai government and the local warlords took over and the brutality began anew.

Reading this article, I am disgusted by these stories and only wish that we would get the hell out of a country where power is viewed in the way these people view it. How do you change a country that chooses this kind of sick, male-dominated society, whether it is the Taliban or the warlords?

Recommend.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:14 AM
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4. This will all stop once will kill hundreds of thousand and deliver full power to these police
Sure it will
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:15 AM
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5. Were I in charge of this war...
I would probably decide that the best way to insure these people are on our side is to take a few of the police officers responsible and hold a public execution.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:12 PM
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7. give the mothers sticks to beat them to death.. not too big a stick, make it last a while..
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:05 PM
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8. When the corruption is so codified, so entrenched
that they are building camps for the police (the supposed enforcers of law and order) to kidnap and rape children en mass then that corruption should be fatal to the government that supports it. x(

The people are against it. The only reason it stands is because of outside force. Outside weapons given to outside warlords, who are propped up with outside money brought in through the drug trade.

If our government is part of the outside forces that prop this up then we should all be aware of it and we should be protesting it with our government.

One article? This late in the war in Afganistan?

But where is the free and independent media asking the tough questions and cascading the scandal to every front page and every news show? Where are the investigative journalists digging deep, uncovering responsibility and naming names? :(

:cry: We could all be part of a much better world if corruption and profit-motive had not already taken away so much of the media from us and replaced it with info-tainment and news-lite. But without real in-depth media any corruption anywhere can fester and grow, and who's going to know about it, and who's going to care enough to trumpet it? Who's going to do anything about it?

I'm upset that something this horrible gets one tiny article and no follow-up. :(

Those poor kids. Those devastated families. :(
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 03:36 PM
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9. K&R
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 03:36 PM by noamnety
partly for the OP, partly for your question asking where the free and independent media has been ... the ones who weren't embedded with our troops doing feel-good stories of puppies we saved.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:02 AM
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10. the so called media is too busy filling the american minds with MJackson a pedophile as a hero
and Britney Spears bullshit..to keep the masses distracted..nothing has changed..they stole a primary and two states primary votes right in front of your very eyes..what did anyone do about it? nada.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:01 AM
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11. The same culture that rapes boys then stones to death men in consensual gay relationships
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 07:13 AM by HamdenRice
There was a long article about this in the New Yorker, several years ago around the start of the war.

To the west it's an inexplicable tangle of practices and beliefs about sex and gender. For example, the NYer article said most Taliban men were in same sex relationships. On the other side, the warlords keep boy dancers and consorts.

In the comments section to the youtube link posted above, there is a lot of childish back and forth among various Afghan ethnicities -- to the effect that only YOUR group does this, or only warlords, but not Taliban -- but it seems to be pretty universal among all Afghan groups. The Taliban, despite supposedly being against non-Islamic behavior, are actually just as involved. You can google Taliban glamor pictures, for example -- pictures of Taliban in makeup and high heels taken for their partners.

But "homosexuality" -- whatever that means to them -- is punishable by death, punishments that have been carried out in public executions.

Frankly, it's just impossible to understand what their understanding of sex and gender and sexual orientation actually are.

It seems to have a lot to do with the absolute exclusion of women from male society and their denigration as non-humans.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:07 AM
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12. This is what you get when perverted "religious" rules are the order of the day.
Women are a "hot commodity", and strict rules apply regarding marriage. If young men do not have "access" to women, they will satisfy their "needs" wherever, whenever, and with whomever they can.

The fundamentalist Islamic rules make it almost impossible for many men to even think of a "normal life", with a wife & family, so is it any wonder that they "go rogue"?

In a stragne way, it reminds me of those nutty Texan Mormons who kick the pubescent boys out, so the old guys can keep the "young stuff" all to themselves. In Muslim society, these boys may turn to suicide-bomber or police, as an "occupation".
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