****Everybody knows Jews aren't a real minority group. They're oppressors... So let's kill them all.

[breadandwine]

That's what two tenths of one percent of the world's population gets for stealing 20% of the Nobel Prizes. It's a Jewish conspiracy of course. The Jews with their lousy book learning...


****FRENCH COURT CONVICTS GANG OF 25, SELF-STYLED AS THE "GANG OF BARBARIANS," INCLUDING 8 WOMEN, OF KIDNAPPING A JEW, TORTURING HIM FOR MORE THAN THREE WEEKS AND KILLING HIM. AFTER MORE THAN THREE WEEKS OF TORTURE HE WAS LEFT FOR DEAD, FOUND NAKED AND HANDCUFFED WITH BURN MARKS ALL OVER HIM NEAR RAILROAD TRACKS AND DIED ON THE WAY TO THE HOSPITAL. ONE OF THE WOMEN WAS USED TO LURE THE JEW INTO THE KIDNAPPING. SHE COULD BE OUT ON PAROLE, BACK ON THE STREET, IN THREE YEARS.****



The leader of the gang expressed no remorse and expressed defiance throughout the trial. On various occasions he smirked at the vicitm's relatives and shouted "Allahu Akbar!" ("God is greatest!") and threw shoes at lawyers. He gave his date of birth as Feb. 13, 2006, in Sainte-Genevieve-des-Bois, the date and place of the victim's death, and bombarded the magistrates investigating the case with letters full of anti-Semitic insults. He clapped and gave a thumb's up at his conviction. In one incident, he threatened to have pictures of jurors taken, implying members of his gang would attack them. In another incident, witnesses in the courtroom said that he and other defendants threw their shoes at the jury, shouting "Allahu Akbar."

Among those receiving light sentences were the many teenagers who guarded and tortured the Jew, the caretaker of the building where the Jew was held captive and the father of one of the teen defendants who told his son not to cooperate with police.

Critics say French police initially ignored the possibility of anti-Semitic motives in the killing, which, as the case wore on, prompted fears of resurgent anti-Semitism in France.


Members of the Jewish community have been extremely upset with the way the trial was conducted and the fact that the trial was not held in the open, and a rally is being planned for early next week outside the Ministry of Justice, demanding stiffer sentences for the gang leader's accomplices, which is still possible, but not likely, under French law.

One Jewish community source said the verdict was handed down just minutes before the Jewish Sabbath began late Friday, in an effort to ensure a muted Jewish community response, adding that the gang leader, "the Charles Manson-like Muslim barbarian leader, is quite popular with the Muslim community in France."



Most of the 25 will receive parole in a few years or less. Some will get 6 months and some suspended sentences.

After all.

There were extenuating circumstance.

They were oppressed by the Zionists.

Martin Luther King: "When people attack Zionists, they are talking about Jews." But what did he know?



REPORTS ON THE FRENCH COURT CASE:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3744677,00.html

So what?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132344

Big deal.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1099304.html

Who cares?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443775397&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Jews don't count.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i9PQvTR8cKq77hrhLzdXfZkFpT9wD99BSONG0

The Jews are all either communist beggars or capitalist imperialists. Did I leave anything out?

Oh yeah.

Zionists.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090710/ap_on_re_eu/eu_france_anti_semitism

It's just a Jewish problem so... move on. Nothing there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/world/europe/11france.html?_r=1&ref=europe

Let's give this the page 28 treatment. It might ruffle our usual sources. It's REALLY not one of the MAJOR issues. We're already going with the "French teachers protest new rules" story so our French desk already has a full plate...

Do you know why the Allies never bombed the railroad lines to Auschwitz?

They were too busy.

Their accounts were already overdrawn.

THEY ALREADY HAD A FULL PLATE.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/10/AR2009071002483.html

Hitler said the same that is being said today: The Jews are oppressors. They're oppressing the Germans. All problems were traced to... the Jews. The Germans were victims, didn't you know?

During the Middle Ages Europeans said Jewish men menstruated, had horns on their heads (THAT'S why they keep their heads covered), and Jews have cloven hooves. THAT'S why you don't see them walk barefoot. (Walking barefoot is a sign of mourning in Jewish tradition, confined to the mourning "shiva" period.) And, oh yeah, during the Middle Ages the Jews in Europe were accused of drinking the blood of Christian children on Passover. (Blood is forbidden under kosher law.)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/10/ap/world/main5151490.shtml

Oppression is why Amadinejad keeps talking about burning Israel and saying the Holocaust never happened. Because: The Jews won't let him make electricity. And Shihab long range missiles. The Islamic Revolutionary guard controls Iran's nuclear program. You can trust them. After all, the people they just slaughtered in the street in Tehran deserved it.

The real fault is the Zionists.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/court-convicts-25-in-killing-of-french-jew-gang-leader-gets-life/article1214715/

Long before there was a Zionist state there was a charge of conspiracy involving all Jews, a reworded diatribe originally against Napoleon called: "The protocols of the Elders of Zion."

Got that? Zion.

But that's just a coincidence.

Today's Zionists really ARE oppressing humanity. The French Jew who was tortured to death DESERVED it. Israel, even including the West Bank, is a country the size of New Jersey. It's the menace of mankind, the scourge that occupies the United Nations with resolution after resolution more than any other issue. Global warming? What about the Zionist menace? Famine? But the Zionists oppressors... Disease? Never mind that. The Zionists... Tsunami in Asia? Must have been caused by the Zionists. Drought? Totalitarian regimes? Forget it. New Jersey is the number one threat to mankind.

There's no need for a Jewish state. Thanks to safe, hospitable, democratic countries.

Like France.

Jews don't need Israel. The Israelis can all go back to Poland.

There's a summer camp there called:

Auschwitz.

[JerseygirlCT]

1. So sad

and unfortunately, at the same time, so widespread.

[breadandwine]

3. It's all over Europe.

...

[JerseygirlCT]

6. It never really goes away, it seems

like a nasty and poisonous weed, it just keeps regrowing from the roots.

[Raksha]

12. It sure looks that way.

Re like a nasty and poisonous weed, it just keeps regrowing from the roots.

[Buzz Clik]

2. oy

[aquart]

4. Having a very bad day?

While I sit here thanking God that I was born in New York in this time.

[breadandwine]

8. On the other hand............

"At a time when a community is wrapped in sorrow, let no man say, 'I shall go home and eat and drink and I will be at peace with myself.'"

---Talmud, tractate Taanis, chapter 11.


"Thou shalt not stand idly by thy brother's blood."

---Leviticus 19:16.

[aquart]

23. Ah.

"When you can help, you have to, because there will be days when you won't have the strength, and someone else will have to do it for you." ---My Mom.

"You can only do as much as you can. If you insist on doing more than you can, you will outrun your strength and become useless. Do what you can and do not waste your finite energy lamenting all that is left undone. There is ALWAys more to do." ---Rescuer speech given to anyone showing a tendency to go off the deep end and take in 200 cats and a dog.

[RandomThoughts]

5. Anyone that blames an entire group is ignorant or worse.

It is beyond stupid to blame any one group, besides being wrong.

Some Jews, some Christians, some Muslims, some people of other, or no faith, are mostly bad.

And

Some Jews, some Christians, some Muslims, some people of other, or no faith, are mostly good.

Or if it is a racial bigotry.

Some Jews, some Anglo Saxons, some French, some Asians, some Africans, some Indians, some Native Americans, are mostly bad.

And

Some Jews, some Anglo Saxons, some French, some Asians, some Africans, some Indians, some Native Americans, are mostly good.

If a person has a problem with any person, that also happens to be part of a group, mention the problems and the people causing the problems, don't blame innocent people, or mostly innocent since we all make mistakes.

If a person believes a group teaches something you disagree with, then speak of those teachings and explain why you disagree with them, or explain your beliefs.

Those that are racist, or hate other religions, or think themselves superior, are blaming an entire group of people, which shows their laziness and ignorance.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. life in prison seems appropriate to me

the family of the victim was indeed upset at leniency shown to some of the lesser accomplices. "The family's lawyer said the sentences for some of the lesser accomplices were too lenient, and asked Justice Minister Michele Alliot-Marie to lodge an appeal."

All in all your post is ridiculous racist flamebait, but you knew that.

[breadandwine]

11. "When people attack Zionists, they are talking about Jews." -- Martin Luther King.

Let me tell you something about your "racist" dig.

An Israeli cell phone company made an ad that spoofed the Israeli-Palestinian conflict where the two groups instead of fighting end up playing soccer and having fun. But how dare those dirty Zionists make peace, right? The ad was immediately accused of being "racist." Strike a bell?

Article with video:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1099529.html

Funny those autonomic neural reactions coming from the midpoint of the human leg........

[ControlledDemolition]

30. Didn't he know the difference between Zionists, the Jewish Faith, or Semites? n/t

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

9. And to think that someone on DU last night said

that France is a better place to live then the US. Maybe it is if you aren't a jew.

[depakid]

31. As if there isn't plenty of anti-semitism in America

[Raksha]

10. This is the first time I've heard about this case.

It's horrifying, but I'm not in a hurry to know all the gruesome details. The fact that it happened in France, and that the French court gave such light sentences considering that the gruesome nature of this hate crime, brought back terrifying echoes of the Dreyfus case.

There is a deep vein of anti-Semitism in French culture that may get covered over for a while, but never seems to get completely eradicated.

[breadandwine]

13. Some of the links above are major news sites but you have to dig through the sites to find them.

Not being given the treatment it might otherwise receive.

You're so right about the Dreyfus Affair. I wasn't even thinking about that. It's like deja vu.

[cali]

14. Sad outcome to this tragic hate crime.

I've recced your OP even though I think you went overboard. I understand that you're deeply upset.

[breadandwine]

15. A whole section of my family perished in the Holocaust.

One third of the Jewish people died in the pits and gas chambers.

[TokenQueer]

16. Horrific

:thumbsup: Rec'ed for content.

:thumbsdown: Bad title. Consider editing and rephrasing to attract more traffic.

[breadandwine]

17. If this were Pat Buchanan's website, one might not think the title is sarcastic.

400 views right now.

[TokenQueer]

18. Yikes.

It was just a suggestion.

400 views and unrec'ed into oblivion by people not stopping long enough to read the meat of this important post...because it's a bad title.

Sheesh.

[JustAnotherGen]

19. The Irony In This Is

It's not Jewish people in France (a very small number of the what? Now 63 million people) who 'oppress'. The French have had guilt over their complicit and tacit participation in the Holocaust. Petain - well let's remember? As Canada, GB, and the US rolled in on the West and South fronts of France - pulled out by his good buddy Adolf into the 'German Zone' for his safety.

So much hidden until the Mitterand Administration - 1994 - when young people in France began to question - to say why. It briefly came to a head with the Klaus Barbie trial (late 80's - most of you will know him as The Butcher of Lyon) but died down until about 15 years ago.

Add this guilt - to a fear of:
1. Illegal Immigration
2. 'Growing' number of mosques
3. Immigrant Population that refuses to assimilate

And these immigrants by and large are North African and/or of Muslim faith . . . and you have a pressure cooker in that country.


Before I go further I have to say:
*I'm the great grand daughter of a French immigrant to the US - I was fortunate enough to have that French WW1 Veteran around until about 10 yeras ago.
*I travel there often.
*I'm looking to buy an apartment on the coast - rent out/retire there.
*I love France. American is my nation, country, my home - but France is my heart.

This pressure cooker is an EXTREMELY angry youth/Muslim population. They are the second generation and they are angry about their condition. It also has an extreme right movement - Jean M Le Pen just went quiet - but he didn't go away. Hey! Look at how successful the 'movement' has been in Austria lately. Add in the guilt of the majority of French people because they are just now really getting their hooks into who/what they were 60 years ago (not punished like the Germans) and yep - this shit will happen and has happened.

Dig up on the riots a few years ago (Paris suburbs). It's important to note the 'Paris Suburbs' are on par with a 'muslim' barrio. Don't think a US suburb.

All that said, I think Sarkozy could step in and put pressure on the situation - after all - he is the descendent of a Holocaust survivor Hungarian Jew. I'm not saying that it means there is not anti-semitism in France . . . heck I'm part French but I'm Black!:rofl: I know have a bi-racial like me President doesn't mean there is no longer racism in American. I am saying it's not as simple as saying: ALL FRENCH are Anti-Semitic.

Or France is an anti-semitic country.

BTW - I chastise my many French friends when they say America is a Racist Country. One incident in Jena LA a few years ago, the French media (rolling MY eyes) shows pictures from 1930's Klan rallies - and my French Friends: Some Franks, some southwest/spanish, Afriques, South East french/italians, the Lyonnaise, the Parisians and a cute Breton or two . . . were begging me to come there! :rofl:

[JustAnotherGen]

20. Read this article for background - how long it's been brewing

And by whom. Older Article But interesting - to understand when this started to arise. It's a 10 year old problem.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/19850928/singer">France, Racism, and the Left

The latter increase is what has aroused Le Pen and his supporters. France can absorb Italians, Spaniards, Poles and Portuguese, but not North Africans, whose manners, customs and religion are dissimilar from those of the French. Ironically the same objections were leveled against Jewish immigrants before World War II. But the point should not be overstated. There are several times as many North Africans as there were Jews before the war, and in a country as centralized as France this creates the need for much greater tolerance.

The Jacobin tradition is still strong in France. Black schoolchildren in the African colonies used to recite the same lesson as Parisian kids: "Our ancestors the Gauls had blue eyes and blond hair. " This centralizing tradition was particularly strong on the left, which only in the last fifteen years or so has recognized a right to be different for Bretons or Corsicans, let alone for Arabs.

The problem should not be exaggerated, however. Although not a melting pot like the United States, France contains a rich mixture of ethnic groups, by European standards. If you go back three generations, some ten million French people, roughly one-fifth of the population, are of foreign origin. France has a tremendous capacity for assimilation, and it would be surprising if it did not manage to swallow the latest wave. The current tensions result directly from high unemployment and indirectly from the left's failure for many years to perform its function as the principled enemy of every form of racial discrimination.

Note - the situation has not changed in regards to high unemployment amongst the the second generation of recent Muslim immigrants.
I did dig into each of the articles you presented - :hug: but at D.U. - we can't afford to gild the lily when speaking of other countries' race/religion issues.

It MUST be pointed out - pointedly - that they are 1/10th of the population of France - but these acts were perpetrated (getting ready to have eggs thrown at me for telling the truth) by Muslims. This gang of 23 is not the descendent of black Americans who came to France in the past 100 years, French blacks from Central Africa Republic, celts who have lived there for thousands, Franks who've been there for 1700, italian French who well - were pulled into the country in the 1860's and told to stop speaking French (think Nice, the Cap, St. Trop) - you are now French.

They are muslims.
From the suburbs.
1st and 2nd generation immigrants from North Africa.


Timeline on the Riots a few years ago . . . Note - who is the President now:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4413964.stm">BBC Timeline of the French Riots

This would be crazy in America - freedom of religion and what not but lookie lookie:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jGYE1Z615kC7Vce2sho_ijVTc6sA">France Begins Hearings to Ban the Veil - July 9, 2009

A few snippets:

President Nicolas Sarkozy has proclaimed the burka "not welcome" in secular France, drawing a warning from Al-Qaeda's north Africa wing that it was ready to "take revenge for the honour of our daughters and sisters."

At the first hearing, two academics described wearing the burka as a throwback to a form of archaic Islam and a type of cult-like behaviour, incompatible with modern France.

Islam expert Abdennour Bidar called the full veil a "pathology of Islam" embraced by hardline Salafists who tell Muslim women to cover themselves as a way to "get back to their roots."

"It's up to the republic to help Islam in our country choose its destiny and help French Muslims resist this pressure," said Bidar.

In an address to parliament last month, Sarkozy said the burka was not a symbol of religious faith but a sign of women's "subservience" and declared that the full veil was "not welcome" in staunchly secular France.

A few weeks later, the leader of Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, Abu Musab Abdul Wadud, called on Muslims in France to "confront this hostility with greater hostility.

"We will take revenge for the honour of our daughters and sisters against France and against its interests by every means at our disposal," he was quoted as saying by the US monitoring service SITE Intelligence.

I'm posting these things above just to show. . . You may not LIKE as an American (freedom of religion, civil liberty etc. etc.) what they are doing to counter act the Anti-Semitism -

But guess what? AQ doesn't like it either.

And many of the French don't like it either - but they know it must be done.

So the second reason this is happening? Perhaps aside from economic (and don't racism, anti-semitism, etc. etc. always arise when people think someone is getting something they aren't? Or will?) is an Absolute Utter Resistance to NOT want to Assimilate to their new Nation.

Note - the article states 5 Millin muslims - but when you read the UMP websites/commentators - it's actually about 10 million. There is a belief 5 million are there illegally.


Unfortunately - they are taking it out on Jewish people who ARE completely within France - i.e. French first and Jewish second. Their problem isn't Jewish people - it's the white/black UMP.

I know - I've been the girlfriend of a UMP for over 2 years that lives in Lyon. White guy, atheist - with my bi-racial UU ass. :rofl: I've dealt with his absolute abject hatred of Muslims - and finally have gotten him (over the past year to relax). The tangent I heard about this yesterday. OMG. "See justanothergen! I told you! I told you so!"

Yep - troubles are a-brewing in not just France - but Europe.

A good source? Type in Eurabia on google or bing. It will make your head spin.

[proteus_lives]

25. There will be a bombing in France someday.....

And the French will come down so hard on their own Muslims it will make gitmo look like a pillow fight.

[JVS]

26. Not going to happen.

I've not been in France, but I've been in Germany extensively and my understanding is that Algerians are to France what Turkish immigrants are to Germany. Germany probably got a slightly easier to integrate minority, as the legacy of Ataturk and the Western/Secular thrust of his movement carries some influence among the Turkish immigrants. But if you think that either France or Germany would be able to launch a crackdown on its immigrants, you're sorely mistaken. Without these immigrants both countries would grind to a complete halt. These people do the work that Germans and French people won't do. Garbage removal? Immigrants. Gas station? Immigrants. Newspaper and a pack of smokes? Immigrants. Need a cab? Immigrants. Need a bite to eat? How about a Doener or a Shawarma? People may talk a lot about Europeans enjoying 5 weeks of vacation. Who do you think is minding the store when these people are living a life of leisure? It is the immigrants who do all the work, unless there is prestige involved, in which case it is the sole province of the French and Germans.

[JustAnotherGen]

43. Exaclty proteus

But I dare say? Not just France. . . Austria, Spain, and potentially The Netherlands. Not being overly dramatic. But for all of the 'Right's - They Are Surrender Monkeys - it just goes to show their lack of knowledge of the world and anything beyond the end of their nose.

Look up: France's Secret War. Of course they couldn't 'help out in Iraq'. 1st they were smart enough to know it's another Algeria. And 2nd - they are so bogged down in Central Africa Republic right now. And Sarkozy? He doesn't play.

Their out on the Burka(qua) argument? They'll make it illegal for anyone to cover their face. Be it with a paperbag, a ski mask, etc. etc.

I just find it interesting that as the case of the 23 comes down - they trigger this discussion. Sort of: Okay - you've committed a heinous murder and hate crime. Our society doesn't 'see religion, race, creed, etc. etc.' - but we'll stick it to your ENTIRE group on the back end. Hell - just this past Christmas there was a bomb scare in their most popular chi chi poo poo department store.

Hold on - it's going to get bumpy in Europe folks!

[Name removed]

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[breadandwine]

22. And that's a big part of the problem.

Some people from both right and left think there is finally something they can all agree on ---

The Jews.

[proteus_lives]

24. Europe never dealt with its hatred of the Jewish People.

They just shoved it under the rug after WWII. People focus on the Germans but the Nazis couldn't have did what they did without the help of a lot of Frenchmen, Poles, Lithuanians, Croats, Italians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Ukrainians and others.

The sentences of the accomplices is sickening, where's the justice? The French should bring back Devil's Island.


Edit: Here's a thought, give the whole gang to Israel. France seemingly isn't interested in punishing them and the Mossad could always use a few more practice dummies.

[boppers]

27. ITT: Trolls trolling trolls.

[camera obscura]

28. Time for Trolls Trolling Trolls Trolling Trolls

[mamaleah]

29. To be honest,

I do not think we will ever be safe.

I think for the now those of us lucky enough to be living in the U.S., it is a temporary safe haven. How long? Who knows. Jews in Spain thought they were at last safe. Not. Jews in Europe believed the same. Clearly hatred for us only takes a rest and never truly dies.

[breadandwine]

32. There have been vicious killings of Jews in the US too.

And a while back a judge in New Jersey ordered a Jew to take down the temporary tent he had put up on his lawn, called a "Succah," that is erected on the Jewish holiday of Succos that follows Yom Kippur. He was told it violated zoning construction laws! Whatever happened to freedom of religion? The holiday only lasts a week. Comically, the stupid judge said, "You have one week to take that down!"

In general, where non-Jews in the US live near a lot of Jews they become familiar and are more understanding and tolerant. But where Jews are a smaller minority, even in the US, they can be very much outcasts and not well tolerated. The Klan down south is virulently anti-Semitic.

An interesting footnote to all this is that of Vladimir Putin, leader of Russia. He's no saint. But when he was a child he was very poor. Nearby there lived a Hassidic family that continued to celebrate the Sabbath despite great peril in doing so under the Soviet state. Putin used to go over there and they would always give him a meal. He never forgot it. Today Putin is pretty tolerant of Jews because of that.

[mamaleah]

33. Zoning?

Ridiculous! It's your yard! You can set up a damn tent! And you must be Ashkenaz...."Succos". :D

My attitude has always been this: I trust very few people. History has taught me that you may be my friend today, but tomorrow you might align yourself with those that would prefer me dead.

Therefore I have no use for groups such as ANSWER or MoveOn. Both allow a certain amount of anti-semitism in their ranks.

That said, I do not believe any Jew has a safe home with the Democrats or Republicans. I believe both would sell us to the highest bidder if they thought the polls told them so. I align myself with the Democrats because I agree with them on more issues, certainly not all, than I do the Republicans. However I will never be delusional enough to believe I can truly trust them.

[chrisa]

34. Nobody is ever safe.

As long as people are stupid enough to fall for empty Nationalism mixed with stereotypes and racism.

[mamaleah]

36. Jews have suffered under more than Nationalism

They suffered plenty under allegedly considerate Communists too.

As I said above, I will never believe that either the Democrats or the Republicans are a "safe" political party. Those of us who are Jewish are easy scapegoats and always will be.

[McCamy Taylor]

35. This thread says everything there is to say about the problems with unrecommend.

The thread has a negative rating...as if to say that the DU community disagrees with those who are alarmed at violent antisemitism----or, in other words, as if we are a bunch of raving anti-semites.

I predict that threads like this will be used to create an extreme (and not terribly accurate) portrait of DU.

[mamaleah]

38. LOL

There was a thread a few weeks ago about anti-semitism in Europe. Only about 50 replies on it, mostly from a few of us discussing it at length.

Pretending anti-semitism does not exist (how could it amongst the educated or enlightened?) or pretending it exists only because of "issues" in the ME is to be expected.

[Name removed]

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[mamaleah]

39. Can you expand on that? n/t

[Bucky]

41. Not without reading the thread I can't. All I see is a splattering of hate speech.

People who post a lot of hate speech turn me off. I can't tell if it's actual hate or just someone who's too immersed in reading and trying to counter someone else's socially marginal hatred through mockery or satire. My post was my way of saying neither possibility is worth getting involved in. Having worked with clinically psychotic people, I've discovered it's entirely hopeless trying to immerse oneself into the byzantine logic of a psychotic mindset to come up with a logical exit from it. Instead, you should just not get enmeshed and instead model behavior like "chilling out" and "ignoring the bullshit."

I advise chill out drugs (or better yet, a fun weekend camp out with friends) for any people who get lost in the funhouse mirrors of paranoid political discussions.

[mamaleah]

42. So 99% of the forum then

Or any political forum.

Sorry you do not think anti-semitism exists. Some of us know it does.

Do you also not believe racism, homophobia, and sexism do not exist? Or are those "real" forms of hate for you?

[ismnotwasm]

40. That is horrible

I have a fairly new friend, a woman originally from Israel. She is the most impassioned and verbal person I've ever met on this topic. We both like to talk politics and the human condition in general, but generalized or institutionalized (As opposed to specific) anti-semitism is a topic I discovered I've been shying away from. I'm embarrassed, and thank you for posting this story.

What I didn't know as well as what I still don't know surprised me far more than it should have.

[breadandwine]

45. Thanks.

...

[Hannah Bell]

44. how did you get through all that without mentioning the instigator & gang leader got life?

or that:

"Overall, the sentences were slightly less than those sought by prosecutor Philippe Bilger."



"Prosecutors have requested a life sentence for Fofana, who is charged with
premeditated murder, demanding ransom and acts of torture and barbarism."

Which he got.


"They have requested prison terms of 20 years each for two of Fofana's alleged accomplices."

One got 18, the other 15.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1099297.html



You could decry the sentences perfectly well without the comparison to auschwitz.