Can a woman strangle a champion boxer with her purse strap?

[Liberal_in_LA]

CNN) -- Brazilian authorities detained the wife of former world boxing champion Arturo Gatti as a suspect in his killing, according to local reports.

Gatti was found dead Saturday in a hotel in Brazil, where he was taking a vacation with his wife, Amanda Carina Barbosa Rodrigues, and their young child.

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Police official Osmar Silva Santiago confirmed local reports that Gatti's body was found Saturday morning in his hotel room with strangulation marks.

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Police recovered a blood-stained purse strap from the scene, according to media reports.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/07/12/gatti.boxing.dead.brazil/index.html

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. Piss us off enough,

and we can do anything .....................

[musette_sf]

3. !

[Tangerine LaBamba]

9. I had a client who did MUCH worse -

and she never got caught, bless her heart and her steel spike heels and his highly valued vintage Jaguar.........................

[Taitertots]

14. Yeah, destruction of property is a great way to vent anger n/t

[Tangerine LaBamba]

16. Well, I agree with that -

but I wasn't the one who did it, and you don't know the whole story ..................

[Taitertots]

23. You were just there to help cover it up

I guess sometimes doing the right thing isn't for everyone.


So should he burn her house down now? Obviously, if criminal destruction of property is a valid form of remedy, then he has just as much standing to destroy her property.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

25. Cover it up?

No, I had absolutely no part in it. It came to me anecdotally, as most good stories do in my business.

Your assumptions are strange. Incorrect, judgmental, and angry.

Well, now that you've hung your issues out there for all to see, I hope you feel better.................................

[Taitertots]

30. So you didn't have a part in it

You just get your kicks from people committing crimes.

So what crime should he commit to get back at her?

[malaise]

36. Get real

You don't have the facts

[blondeatlast]

20. But of course, there's nothing wrong with cheating, is there?

Trust me, being cheated on hurts more than the pain suffered from a little vandalism.

[Taitertots]

22. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind n/t

[blondeatlast]

24. If you think spray paint on a car is equivalent to cheating,

you aren't someone I care to know.

[Taitertots]

26. If you think destroying people's stuff is OK because you are mad at them,

You are not someone I care to know either.

[musette_sf]

28. but that destroying trust thing,

doesn't bother you so much.

[Taitertots]

31. You don't have a legal right to trust or be trusted

It doesn't bother me. What bothers me is people thinking that their grievances warrant destructive criminal behavior.

If you don't like cheating, why don't you propose a law against it instead of advocating violence.

[musette_sf]

35. a little thin skinned here.

methinks someone doth protest too much.

been caught before with your hand in the cookie jar?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

37. As I pointed out above,

the poster's shortcomings and failures have now been made public for all to see.

It's fun when they give themselves away like that.

And then they go on "Ignore," where they can rant forever and never be heard................................

[Taitertots]

42. No, I just don't think that violent criminal behavior is acceptable

I guess in your diluted mind if someone offends you it is OK to destroy their stuff.

[musette_sf]

45. that isn't violent

THIS is violent:


glad to clarify that for you.

and use the grammar checker next time

"diluted" :rofl:

[Taitertots]

46. That makes it soooo much better

Whatever it takes to justify it to yourself. I guess some people can't be taught right from wrong.

[musette_sf]

47. for someone who spends 90% of his time here in the Gungeon

actively defending the flagrant brandishing and questionable use of firearms, you're one hell of a guy to be moaning about "violence" and quoting Gandhi. :crazy:

from your posts there, i deduce that you'd be just fine if the car painter was shot and killed in the act. after all, it would be "self-defense of private property".

[Taitertots]

48. I would like you to quote the posts where I support that

I support people legally using firearms to defend themselves when their lives are in danger. I never support revenge. Be it the revenge of a failed marriage or not. At worst the car painter should be held at gun point until the police arrive to arrest her. Which would be legal almost everywhere.

I should quote Gandhi. In the decade since I was a child I have never raised my fists in anger. I have never destroyed other people's property to appease my rage. I have never carried a gun, fired a gun in anger or pointed a gun at anyone. I support people defending themselves to protect their lives. Not destroying property to protect their ego. I also offer unequivocal condemnation of all people who use guns criminally.

Try as desperately as you can to justify your blood lust. Excessive emotions are no justification for crime.

[musette_sf]

49. take your brave ass and your gun on down to the big tagging spot in your town

and hold 'em all at gunpoint.

you'll learn real quick that "threat with a deadly weapon" will get you in a hell of a lot more trouble than "vandalism".

[Taitertots]

51. Why is that my property to defend?

So what bearing does that have on this at all? None.

Also, I live in a good neighborhood so there is no big tagging spot in my town. If there was I would call the police on them for sure. Considering they are neither threatening my life or property I probably would never be out looking for trouble to find them. Also, being as I never carry a gun I wouldn't be in that situation in the first place. I would also be fair more likely to run if confronted even if I had a gun because confronting them would be too much hassle.

What would I do to the painter? Call the police and video tape the act. A video tape will help me much more in civil court than an armed confrontation.

[blondeatlast]

29. I don't think it's okay--but it sure as hell isn't equivalent.

so "an eye for an eye" doesn't apply.

[Taitertots]

40. Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, isn't about equivalence

It was about Gandhi's message about non-violence. Coming from someone who took a lot worse than a cheating spouse. Just get over it, Gandhi did.

[PSzymeczek]

32. Property can be replaced.

That's the purpose of insurance.

[Taitertots]

43. How is that even a justification for destructive criminal behavior?

Emotions pass.
They pass for free.
Get over it without having to digress to criminal behavior.

[blondeatlast]

17. It's probably a good thing for me, after seeing that, that my STBX is

working and living with his 22 yo sweetie in the Czech Republic and sold his car...

Okay, I could never actually bring myself to do such a thing. But the thought makes me smile, I hate to admit.

[PSzymeczek]

34. A good lurid fantasy

helps a lot.

[Seldona]

56. They always are.

lol

[Liberal_in_LA]

4. 2nd sports guy killed this week.

[Gabi Hayes]

11. following another line.....just ask David Carradine

wait a minute....

[Tangerine LaBamba]

18. I'm betting

that was a solo act.......

[Gabi Hayes]

27. me, too. I bought his autobio a few years back, and he's, or was,

very, very strange, moreso even than the earlier wives have mentioned

[Tangerine LaBamba]

62. His death was a classsic autoerotic asphyxiation -

notice how quiet everything got after the family had the second autopsy performed?

Hell of a stupid way to go, but, hey, that's part of the thrill, I guess.

Leave it to a man to figure out how to fuck up jerking off.....................

[Lone_Star_Dem]

55. True enough

Why is it just because we're women people still insist on thinking we're helpless when faced with a big strong man?

Women can be mean. Women can be cunning. When you combine the two, women can be dangerous in ways many wouldn't normally assume.

Not saying she did or didn't. However, she sure could have.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

61. Have you ever seen a man's face

when he learns how women talk about men when there are no men around?

How we talk about sex?

Those poor guys are never the same afterward, but they sure are careful.

Women don't necessarily need brute force to be dangerous, but, if angered enough, I know that a woman is capable of feats of physical strength that would leave others breathless. Remember the stories we used to see about "Mom Lifts Car To Rescue Trapped Toddler," and things like that?

Yeah, we can do anything. We're women.............

[bigwillq]

2. If he was sleeping or passed out.

Yeah, I believe it can happen.

[johnaries]

5. I've always considered a woman's purse a lethal weapon....

I'm scared to even look inside one! :scared:

[proteus_lives]

15. Don't! It's like the Ark of the Covenant!

Women never want you to look in their purses. When they say "Hey, could you hand me my purse?" Gingerly pick it up by the strap and hand it over. ;-)

[TorchTheWitch]

33. and avert your eyes

and keep a bland neutral expresion.

just looking at the outside of the purse with interest or curiousity and it's all over.

[beam me up scottie]

59. LMAO!

:rofl:

So true!

[johnaries]

52. "Gingerly" pick it up? Those things weigh a ton!

I think they defy dimensional space and are 10 times as large inside as outside. Especially when they start pulling everything out of them, it becomes very obvious all that stuff won't fit unless it's "magic".

[proteus_lives]

57. Magic is right!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bd5YUEOwlE

Merlin's got nothing on the average ladies' purse!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

6. Depends on the circumstances

including alcohol consumption, positioning etc. Its quite feasible.

[anigbrowl]

7. Certainly, why not?

Being a boxer is of little use if you are taken unawares by someone who knows what they are doing. . So on the question of whether it's possible, yes. What actually happened and how, search me.

[ThomWV]

8. The first report I saw said he was shot.

[H2O Man]

39. I do not think

there were any reports of his having been shot. You may be thinking of Alexis Arguello. The initial reports were quite specific about no evidence of his being shot or stabbed; he did have a bloody injury on the back of his head.

[BlooInBloo]

10. (shrug) Sure. If he's already incapacitated.

[LisaL]

12. If the guy is sleeping or drunk, then I don't see why a woman

couldn't do it.

[Cleita]

13. I was taught various choke holds as part of self-defense when I was a

bartender. It's amazing with the right hold how you can actually incapacitate a rather large man even if you are a women. Some of the holds were pretty dangerous though and could accidentally kill someone.

[Still Sensible]

19. Erotic Asphyxiation? n/t

[Forkboy]

21. Depends on what she knows.

It's easy to take on someone bigger than you with a bit of training.

[H2O Man]

38. There is a bit more

to this. Arturo Gatti was, according to his friend, preparing to separate from his wife. The pair, and their 1-year old child, arrived in her native country of Brazil on Friday. That evening, after both had been drinking, she killed him.

It appears that at some point -- possible from behind, or while he was sleeping -- she bashed him on the back of the head with a heavy object. She then strangled him with the strap from her purse.

She waited 10 hours before contacting anyone. The police found his body at 6 am on Saturday.

Gotti, of course, was a former boxing champion. He had retired years ago.

[Raine]

41. It's seems like it would be extremely difficult next to impossible

look at the neck on that guy, those muscles, seems like it would take super human strength.

[NashVegas]

44. Yes

Especially if it's used as a garrote.

[Fuzz]

50. I met Arturo last year, and got a glove signed and pic taken with him.

:(

Great fighter.

RIP

[donheld]

53. If so why didn't Robin Givens do in Mike Tyson?

[H2O Man]

66. Perhaps because

Robin was not a violent person prone to murder.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

54. This is what I thought when I first read the OP Subject...

Perhaps it's time to pull the plug on DU for the day!

[beam me up scottie]

58. LOL! Me too!

:crazy:

[WorseBeforeBetter]

60. Hahaha, not just me then.

And I still haven't pulled the damn plug! :-)

[Liberal_in_LA]

63. lol... it never crossed me mind that 'champion boxer' could refer to a dog

[WorseBeforeBetter]

64. I was about to get all PETA on everyone.

Yup, way too much computer time today, and I still can't pull myself away...

[beam me up scottie]

65. I was thinking what kind of sick woman would murder a dog like that?

Or any dog?

Kind of sad in a way, between how humans treat animals and how they treat each other, nothing surprises me anymore. Outrage, yeah, but not surprise.