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mullard12ax7 Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:05 PM
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Now that Cheney is a blatant traitor, what excuses for not prosecuting are there?
I'm sure we'll hear them all from every blowhard propaganda tool out there. It sure would be nice, if not just, moral and reasonable, to expect war criminals and conspirators against the American people held responsible for their crimes. I guess I just live in "far left-ville", the same place 72% of Americans live who want to survive via basic medical care.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:08 PM
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1. I'm guessing complicitness and spinelessness are among the top 5 reasons.
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 08:08 PM by flvegan
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WillieW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:11 PM
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2. One reason I read is that it would interfere and distract from Obama's agenda
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 08:14 PM by WillieW
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:13 PM
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21. I've heard that one, too, and it is BS, imo. nt
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:20 PM
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3. The tried and true "good faith" defense
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 08:21 PM by noise
US leaders ALWAYS act in good faith. It's just like Iran-Contra. Even though all the evidence pointed to anything but good faith, the defense was that super patriotic officials broke all sorts of laws for a good reason. The ends justified the means. Of course the "honorable" ends turned out to be drug trafficking and weapons deals.

We have already heard for years from respected journalists that Bush/Cheney counterterrorism policies are best understood as a overreaction to 9/11. This despite the fact that all the public evidence in relation to torture indicates it did not work as advertised. One would think if the CIA was truly proud of their torture program that they would be all too happy to release the IG report. The just released warrantless surveillance IG report also suggests that it was not very effective in relation to providing the FBI and CIA with actionable leads.

It's weird how the patriotism of Bush and Cheney was not questioned more often. We saw for years how it was just the opposite. Despite the fact that these two men called for the overthrowing of US representative democracy (in word and deed) it seemed that the only traitors to be found were people who dared to suggest that the emperor had no clothes.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:21 PM
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4. Not enough Recs
:shrug:
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mullard12ax7 Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:36 PM
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5. It won't get recs, it's not about MJ or un-recs
It's just a simple request to prosecute America's worst criminals in history which is old news, we're all supposed to just forget about war crimes because our pretty little minds can't be bothered with such ugliness.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:35 PM
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14. Why was Impeachment Off The Table?
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:09 PM
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20. Hush now. We must not go there.
Move forward. Look ahead. No need to reopen old wounds. Everything is fine. Let's focus on the future.



;(
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:31 PM
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22. The past is the future. Same lame reasons for not impeaching Nixon, Reagan/Bush, Bush/Cheney....
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 11:31 PM by omega minimo
our legacy of criminality and complicity. :puke:
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:06 AM
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25. This nation cannot survive without remedying the past mistakes
and holding the culprits accountable. We have no more wiggle room for even-greater despotic raiders in control of our government.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:07 AM
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26. They are there.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:10 AM
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27. And, they wear many hats...
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 12:11 AM by HCE SuiGeneris
*sigh* x(
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:04 PM
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28. Of course now, we can impeach Clinton for lying about a blow job...
...but private wars, high treason and electoral fraud? Oh no, let's not go there.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:03 PM
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19. That must be it!
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:24 PM
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6. No excuses, is it possible the programs have not been dismantled?
How deep is the rot, even the Director of the CIA appears to not be informed an amazing admission.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:29 PM
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7. i bet cheney has a file on every person in congress & all the possible judges he may face
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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:29 PM
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8. The one I heard today that beat all.
If we prosecute, we'll be just like any banana republic. In banana republics, the new people always arrest, try, and convict their predecessors just because they can. Not for any real crimes or anything.

:puke:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:30 PM
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9. truth is, if we don't prosecute, we're no better than a banana republic
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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:32 PM
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13. I can't remember if it was a GOP mouthpiece or a "objective"
commentator who said it, but it seemed like people were nodding yeah, yeah, like what you say isn't reality. It was mindblowing.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:31 PM
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10. DLCers might get kicked out of "The Family".
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:32 PM
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11. Time to look forward?
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 10:34 PM by RufusTFirefly
Reach out to the traitors across the aisle in the spirit of bipartisanship?

Besides, it's clear that Darth doesn't know better. I mean, he can't even dress himself!

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:32 PM
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12. It comes to one: EMPIRE
once you understand that, you understand why all of this is just sound and fury that will come to nothing.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:44 PM
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15. Because it's merely a "policy" difference, which the traitor was merely "wrong" about.
And we have to "look away forward" to hanging our new "agenda" drapes, whether or not the house in engulfed in flames.

Torture? Murder-by-torture? Illegal spying? Terrorizing Americans into war with lies of "mushroom clouds! in 45 minutes"? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6047413">Shadow Government?

Too much drama for Obama.

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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:50 PM
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16. Why, it would tear the country apart....
Isn't that how we got a President no citizen voted For(d). :sarcasm:

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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:56 PM
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17. No excuses. If you're wealthy in America and in the "right" social circle,
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 10:57 PM by Greybnk48
you are at the very least exempt from laws and taxes. It's become ridiculous.
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ControlledDemolition Donating Member (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:02 PM
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18. Even Benedict Annold was well intentioned!
:sarcasm:
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humanahumana Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:32 PM
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23. he's part of the protected class...
that's about all i can think of :shrug:
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gimama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:56 PM
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24. AskDOJ@usdoj.gov
#202-514-2001
JUSTICE, pleeeease!
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