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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:32 PM
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I Humbly Propose a "3-Unrec-Per-Day" Limit to Skinner and the Admins.
First of all:


Second of all, I want to state that I really enjoy the Greatest Page now that it doesn't have flamebait or crude, abrasive threads at the top it. The most DISCUSSED threads on DU are are easy to find--just click on "Replies" at the top of the forum--but the way I figure it, the Greatest Page should be for OP's that most represent Democratic Underground as a whole, not the ones that have merely been the most contentious. I also think that people who have suggested that criticism of Obama or other Democrats missing from the Greatest Page should notice that "K/R IF YOU THINK MICHELLE LOOKS HOT IN THIS DRESS!!" threads are also now not considered the best that DU has to offer. And that, I think, is undoubtedly a good thing.

The one issue I HAVE been thinking about is that perhaps it shouldn't be as easy to unrecommend threads as it is to recommend them. Now that we have this dual function, everyone feels like they HAVE to pass judgment on OP's--whereas before there were plenty of threads with a 0 next to them, now nearly all have a positive or negative rating. Clearly, people here have strong opinions about everything--but hey, we already knew that.

And while I do think some are too sensitive about perceived criticism, let's face it--when you see a post with a >0 next to it, assuming you click on it at all, you click with a different expectation than you would a +4, +2 or even a 0 thread. You expect something that is controversial at best, poor quality at worst; and yet, it may be a perfectly innocuous post that the first few people who saw the subject line didn't think it was worth their time, and others stayed away when they saw a negative rating.

I think this system IS making us rank everything that appears on GD or GDP, consciously or unconsciously, into "good" or "not so good," leaving us without a useful neutral category. There was something to be said for a DU where you knew that not everything you proposed to the group was expected to be solid gold, and you didn't feel inclined to keep checking your post rating to get a sense of how the rest of us felt about it. A lot of times, most of us don't feel that strongly one way or the other--so in this new system, those who DO feel strongly get to pass the hardest judgment.

So what I propose is this: make it harder to unrecommend than recommend. Unrecommending IS a useful safeguard against ugliness and even factionalism on our Greatest Page, but when there is a "reward" for a high rating, somehow a low rating (which previously didn't exist) is seen as a judgment of quality, not a consensus of opinion. If we could only "Unrec" three threads in a 24-hour-period, we couldn't waste it willy-nilly on a simple "aye/nay" vote. We'd press "unrecommend" it when it really expressed strong opinions, not a simple knee-jerk or a "cancel out" vote--AND it'd have the added bonus of making all of the recent criticism about meritocracy vs free speech disappear.

After all, what could be more liberal than promoting positivity and free expression over negative reinforcement? As Cenk Uygur would say, are we not merciful?

All of the above is the motivation behind a Unrecommend Limit, similar to the post limit in GDP during the Primaries--three clicks, and you're done for 24 hours. If you like this idea, or you just plain hate it (as DU is currently missing a middle ground) well, you know what to do. :hi:
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:34 PM
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1. In addition, anyone using "unrec" should be required to post THE REASONS they are unrec'ing
This is not too much to ask.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. So, should anyone using
"recommend" be required to post the reason?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #2
27. It's hard enough to get folks to give a reason for starting a thread ...
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 09:00 PM by TahitiNut
... since there's often no apparent reason at all except obsessive navel-gazing. :shrug:

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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #2
32. No. "Recommending" a thread doesn't impose on anyone or do any harm
"Recommend", unlike "unrec" is a purely positive function.

It's not asking too much to expect a specific reason for "unrec'ing".
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #32
41. How does unrec'ing harm?
we had plenty of evidence the first day this feature was made available, when someone said it would bury dissent threads. Well, that thread got hundreds of replies and was easily found. It wasn't buried and made inaccessible.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #41
50. The idea of giving some the chance to push a thread OFF the Greatest Page
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 11:23 PM by Ken Burch
is to reduce the number of people seeing the thread.

This is an inherently harmful thing.

If someone's going to do it, they should feel obligated to say why, out of simple decency. It's not right that they get to be destructive without an explanation. And no one NEEDS to be able to do that without an explanation. If they won't explain why they'd do it, they shouldn't be doing it. Is that so hard to understand?
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #50
69. Whether or not it is "harmful" depends on the
thread. And saying it is harmful is really quite a stretch....the thread still exists it's just not on the greatest page. Anybody who lives to have their threads on the greatest page needs to get a life.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #69
117. I know - I can scarcely believe a mature adult would use the phrase "do harm" in the context of a
relatively minor feature upgrade on an anonymous discussion board. It is so out of proportion to the actual import of the matter that one could be excused for believing that such posts are deliberately ironic; that their author's are just funnin' us.
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #117
120. We can hope I guess
but I get the feeling some people are taking this very seriously.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #117
146. Your side would be far more convincing in arguing that this was "minor"
If you weren't all employing such intense abuse towards those who dislike it. If it were really that minor, why would you even be showing up to heckle?

"unrec" is about settling scores...when there are no scores to settle.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #50
80. if enough people unrecommend a thread to push it off the greatest page,
then, by definition, the thread isn't that great.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #32
119. Ok that is nonsense.
Any gang of six, under the old system, could post a truly craptacular OP and rec it to the greatest page. Their 'positive functions' despite being all pure and everything, put to negative use. Thus the GP was littered with crap on a regular basis.

At least acknowledge that there was a problem with the old system if you expect anyone to take your criticism of the new system seriously.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #2
39. or be limited to 3 recs a day?
I never understood why there was only a thumbs up option anyway... it was ripe for abuse.

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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. There will be a minority that will abuse anything...
it is outweighed by the much larger number of people here who are adults and act accordingly.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #42
123. that's what I mean
the unrec feature corrects a flawed system that was ripe for abuse (and because it was ripe for abuse by a small minority it was).



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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #2
62. People who rec often post the reason or at least post...
...that they are doing a K&R.

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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. No, I think that's going too far...
...we already have an "alert" button. Let the criticism be anonymous--unless, of course, you choose to post your reasons below.
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Adir Pykhtin Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #1
8. Why not also ask the recommenders to justify the recommendation?
For purposes of fairness.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #1
21. Likewise, those using "rec" should be required to post THE REASONS they are rec'ing.
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 09:10 PM by lindisfarne
That is not too much to ask. And Recs should be limited to 3 per day.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #21
34. It's different with "rec", because recommending a thread doesn't impose on anyone
n/t.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. What you intended to say isn't at all clear. However, unrec is a vote down, rec - a vote up.
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 09:24 PM by lindisfarne
Very simple. I've read all the complaints about Unrec. I don't agree. In fact, I don't agree that it is necessary to limit either Rec or Unrec, but if it is to be done, it should be done to both.

Restricting Unrecs while not restricting Recs unfairly silences people (as did having a system of only Recs).
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #34
70. Sure it does.
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 02:08 PM by ohheckyeah
It's imposes threads on those who depend on the Greatest Page.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #70
73. If those people don't like a particular thread on Greatest, why isn't it enough
to just NOT LOOK AT THE THREAD? Why must these people be guaranteed that they won't see anything they disagree with?
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #73
85. Why should you be guaranteed to see the
threads you want to see on the Greatest Page? Isn't it up to each of us to go to the forums and read the threads we find interesting? If people hadn't abused the rec function by recommending stupid shit then their probably wouldn't have been an unrecommend function created. I've seen some really DUMB shit recommended.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #85
100. The right to expression always trumps the right to suppress expression
And still, no definitions of what constituted this "stupid shit" or "abuse" as if getting a thread on "Greatest" was some sort of privelege.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #100
112. No one is stopping people from expressing themselves. The original threads remain, in their
original forum.
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #100
114. It is a privilege brought to you
by the owners of DU who provided the rec function. It's not some kind of inalienable right.

Oh, stuff it. You know what kind of stupid shit. Polls about whether you love someone or not. Thread after thread about MJ or Susan Boyle. That kind of stupid shit.

Nobody is suppressing expression, they are just voting down a thread that may not make it to the Greatest Page. The thread still exists in the forum.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #21
58. As a general rule, people "rec'ing" a thread are also particupating actively in it
n/t.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #58
66. Your evidence for that statement?That's certainly not true of all.I've rec'ed many threads without
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 02:01 PM by lindisfarne
saying a thing in them.If my view is already well represented, I see no need to repeat what others have already said. But I will hit rec.

And even if your statement were true, how does it justify having a biased (toward positive opinions) voting system?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #66
72. There is no legitimate justification for letting people force a thread into a less accessible area
without their being expected to offer an explanation why. Saying "I don't WANT this discussion on the Greatest Page" is not an expression of opinion, but simply one of repression.

There is no small cabal hijacking the Greatest Page.

Those who oppose the "unrec" feature are not in league with each other and we do NOT "know perfectly well" why this was created. There's a "we know your kind" attitude in the suggestion that we DO know why this was done that is arrogant and unbecoming and not in the best tradition of DU.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #72
78. Cabal? Suppressing NO votes is no better than suppressing YES votes.The threads remain in the forums
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 02:22 PM by lindisfarne
The number of threads with more Recs than comments is one way of showing your statement in #58 is wrong.
See for example this thread: 18 recs; 10 comments at present
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8525873
There are many such threads.

And even if your statement were true, how do you justify having a biased (toward positive opinions) voting system?

===========
Yesterday I had to do the very easy research which showed the OP had done absolutely no research to back up his/her statement.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6048594&mesg_id=6049371
======
Here's the OP's initial statement in message #0 from that thread:
The Perfect Litmus Test for the Wonderful New Unrec Feature!
Funny thing... I haven't seen ANY GLBT issue posts making it to the Greatest of late...
Gee, I wonder why that might be?

This might just be the perfect litmus test to the question of whether
or not unrec is a good idea..
===============
Here's my reply (#57)
You did no research to back up your wrong opinion.Since July 8, 1/3 of threads started in GLBT on GP
All you have to do is look at the GLBT page & see which ones made it to GP.
24 threads have been started in that forum since July 8. 8 made it to the Greatest page. 1/3 of all threads. (as of the time my reply was posted)
==============

I didn't include GLBT threads that made it to GP that *weren't* posted in GLBT.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. There's been the repeated insinuation(never a direct accusation, just a smear)
that some kind of subversive "clique" or cabal has been deliberately organizing to get threads on "Greatest" that are inherently unworthy of being there. This may be an updating of the old Benchleyite accusation that progressives on DU were part of a Green-Republican conspiracy against the Democratic Party.

The truth is, threads only make the Greatest Page if they actually spontaneously and sincerely strike a chord with a group of other DU'ers. Some people here can't handle the fact that this means that threads that make THEM uncomfortable politically sometimes end up there.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #79
82. Actually, threads used to get on GP if 5 DUers support, even if 500 do not.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #82
88. And if that's all the people that were interested in those threads, they quietly died out
Again, why wasn't THAT enough?
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #88
89. #78 already provides my answer. "Suppressing NO votes is no better than suppressing YES votes."n/t
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. Not having "unrec" isn't suppression.
It's enough that those who don't like a thread can refuse to particupate in it, or can debate the OP, or "alert" if the thread is offensive. That's all the tools that people who don't like a thread need.

The right to silence others isn't a right. And that's the only thing "unrec" is about.

It's a solution without a thread. We simply didn't ever have any threads that were THAT horrible.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #90
92. Sorry, I strongly disagree.Please note that there is plenty of evidence against your statement that
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 03:36 PM by lindisfarne
people using Rec participate in the discussion.

I suspect we will never agree on the value of having Unrecs.
I also refer you to the answer given in #80.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6052107&mesg_id=6057567
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #58
104. You a graduate of the Fox News school of fact checking?
Because that's how it seems you came up with that answer.

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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
57. I unreced this thread because I am sick of whiny threads complaining abut unrec
I humbly submit to Skinner a proposal for a one whiny thread about unrec per day limit.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #1
95. And who is going to enforce the policy?
Unless there are choices underneath the unrec link that say



  1. It stinks
  2. I hate the OP
  3. I'm having a BAD FUCKING DAY, OK????
  4. Other





But then, in fairness, I think recs should have to be explained too


  1. I love it
  2. I love the OP
  3. I'm having a GREAT FUCKING DAY, OK???
  4. Other

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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #95
103. That wouldn't be a bad idea.
I don't personally approve of every thread that gets on "Greatest". I also don't expect a guarantee that I won't ever have to see anything there that I don't like(and there's plenty of stuff that gets there that I disagree with, as is the case with everybody else).

Unrec is deeply paternalist and authoritarian. It creates a "We're DU AND YOU'RE NOT" mindset that simply doesn't have any place here.

No one on DU should be priveleged above anyone else.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #1
102. You need to get a thicker skin
Geez, if I insisted on details as to why everyone unrec a post of mine - folks would spend all day replying to my posts and nothing more.

You do realize that for most of us that rec count means jackshit to us. If your topic looks interesting, even if we disagree, we'll post there.

Perhaps next we should require all DUers to reply why they didn't bother reading a particular post.

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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #102
148. It isn't personal with me...this debate never has been...at some point, you've got to accept that
The "get a thicker skin" meme is just childish. None of this is about anybody getting their feelings hurt.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:36 PM
Response to Original message
4. So you want to make a bad feature less bad?
The solution is to make a bad feature go away.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. I don't think it's a bad feature. It just needs "softening."
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:37 PM
Response to Original message
5. I think that people who unrec should be burned at the the stake!
I've soaked myself in gasoline. Flame On!
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #5
17. Don't you think that the anti-unreckers would prefer
that unrecers be hung, drawn, and quartered and their heads impaled on a spike?
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #17
29. That's harsh. I just want to hear the lamentations of their women. Maybe sow their fields with salt.
Nothing so extreme as their heads on pikes though, that's rather over-reacting, imho.
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #17
55. Anti Unreccers
I've posted this before, but it bears repeating:
I think the anti-unrec crowd want a world where if they post something good, someone will pat them on the head and say 'Good boy!' and give them a treat, but they don't want anyone to be able to point it out when they shit on the floor.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #55
91. And as I've repeatedly said, THAT's wrong
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 02:52 PM by Ken Burch
You can point that out by DEBATING AND DEBUNKING the OP(it's enough to be able to "use your words"). It isn't an expression of an opinion OR a rebuttal to push a thread OFF "GP". And there aren't any threads at all where that's necessary. If there were, someone would've linked to one here. No one has.

There are no situations at all where the only way you can express YOUR opinion is by being able to say, anonymously "this thread shouldn't BE on GP". That's simply never needed. And it's never going to be used against a thread that people find two "right-wing". It's only going to be used to silence people that are too "left" for some DU'ers comfort. The thing is, we NEED those people here because it's mainly those who challenge a majority view, in ANY group, that have worthwhile or interesting things to say.

Unrec is a solution without a problem.
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #91
94. I guess where we disconnect here
is I have no idea what is so goddamn important about the greatest page. You posts don't disappear if they are unrecced. I doubt anyone who has a brain that reads this message board depends on the recs a thread gets to decide whether or not to read it. And I'd be willing to bet a huge majority of run of the mill DU readers have their bookmarks set to go straight to GD (or LBN or whatever), bypassing the GP altogether. Really, are egos that fragile here? Are lives that empty?
These threads are really like train wrecks, you can't help jumping in but it's truly about the stupidest topic ever so hotly debated on this board.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #94
108. It's the concern that it's the first step in a more-repressive, more closed-off DU
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 03:23 PM by Ken Burch
If this stands, what's next?

And there's an inherent contradiction in the pro-unrec argument: they claim that having threads on "Greatest" doesn't matter, and at the same time assert that they have a sacred right to keep anything off of "Greatest" that they think shouldn't there.
You can't have both positions on the same side of that argument. If having threads on "Greatest" wasn't important, why would they be insisting on their right to push threads OUT of "Greatest"?

There's also the real reason to worry that, if a self-appointed "majority" can keep threads off of "Greatest", will that leave any discussions, ultimately, in that area that are worth having? Nothing important ever gets said in a non-controversial thread.

I'm sure that there's been junk on "Greatest" as there's been everywhere else on DU. But there's no reason not to trust that the junk will die a quick death when people get bored with it.

My bias is always for more openness and access rather than less. This is based on the fact that political groups with less openness and less discussion inevitably end up standing for less and less.

And it's just silly that anyone raised the "gaming the system" canard.
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #108
116. I disagree
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 03:59 PM by KatyMan
I do say that the GP is pointless. I also say that if it does exist a person has a right to decide what should be there. I don't think it's a dichotomy, it's probably just not stated clearly enough, to wit: If there is going to be greatest page, and it takes positive votes to put things on the greatest page, there should also be a provision for negative votes that would remove or keep things off the greatest page. There should also be the option to NOT vote one way or the other for or against an OP's inclusion on the greatest page.

<clarity edit>


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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #17
74. no...just that the unrecers get a life, that all.
There's nothing dictatorial in the opposition to "unrec". And there haven't been any threads that were SO loathesome that letting someone anonymously make it harder for people to see them is the only way they can be dealt with.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #74
97. Those worried about Unrecs keeping their posts off GP should get a life. n/t
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 03:06 PM by lindisfarne
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #74
144. "make it harder for people to see them"?
Posts are always on the topic listings and the "Latest" page. Voting that a post does not warrant special mention does not equate to rating it "Loathsome". I think you are tilting at windmills.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #5
25. .
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 08:57 PM by onehandle
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:37 PM
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6. Definitely worth discussing. n/t
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:39 PM
Response to Original message
9. No, that's anti democratic and unneeded. A three thread limit on thread starters makes sense.
Want to improve quality? Limit the number of threads each poster can start per day.

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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:41 PM
Response to Original message
10. How about this.. you can only rec or unrec.. if you also post in same said thread
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 08:41 PM by Peacetrain
No drive by rec or unrecs as it were..
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. While I appreciate the sentiment, there is a big ol flaw in that idea
It would mean really awful threads would be constantly kicked. It would create self promoting bad threads.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. Good Point.. just trying to add to the discussion..
:hi:
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:42 PM
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11. Remember we used to get that second chance? 'Are you sure you want to rec this post?'
It isn't there anymore... and a couple of times I have hit the wrong button!

Oops!


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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:43 PM
Response to Original message
12. I think it should be the same both ways - whatever the rule is. I do think the speedbump was good...
where you had to click the little window to confirm your rec/unrec.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #12
23. I think so too Bloo.. I have hit the wrong button myself a couple of times
Being dyslexic.. I do that quite often
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:44 PM
Response to Original message
14. ....(see pic)
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:44 PM
Response to Original message
15. Only if we could use all three daily uns on one thread if we so choose
Like this one fer instance :evilgrin:
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:45 PM
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16. Only if the same goes for Recs - it's about balance and duality
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 08:46 PM by CakeGrrl
As much as those who are complaining are doing so, all that unrec has done is to give people an ability to vote in equal and opposite directions.

What you do in one direction should be done in the other, or not at all.

The best equalizer would seem to be NO recs OR unrecs, and no Greatest page.
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mamaleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:46 PM
Response to Original message
18. How about a Rec limit too?
Really, this seems to be a lot of "I think I am teh hot stuff and everyone should know it because a section called 'Greatest Page' on an internet forum is serious business".

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #18
33. No, because that would help the vanity thread starters and hurt quality threads.
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 09:20 PM by TexasObserver
It should not surprise anyone here that more Unrecommends get voted than Recommends. A cursory review of the board should be enough for anyone to see that at least 75% of the threads should never be recommended for the Greatest Page or anywhere else. It would be a travesty to budget Unrecommends for that reason.

This new system is a good one,and it works. Some people hate to have complete information and equal voting, because it upsets the system they had gamed so easily. We've gotten rid of all the trash that got five recommends because its voters liked to chat with the thread author.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:46 PM
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19. Any unrec limit should be accompanied by an equal recommend limit
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Exactly - if we are going to "limit" participation, it ought to be fair
Of course, the entire idea is ridiculous as I like the way it is set up now.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:51 PM
Response to Original message
24. Good, as long as there is a 3 Rec per day limit. Fair is fair. n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:57 PM
Response to Original message
26. What a load of hogwash.
Unfreakingreal. :shakeshead: DU has become DUmbfuckistan. :eyes:

:puke:
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Come on, I stated my points politely enough. Don't be rude.
If you want to add to the discussion, tell me where I might be wrong--I promise I'll consider it.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. "I promise I'll consider it."
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 09:16 PM by TahitiNut
Oh, really? Who really gives flying fuck?? After HOW MANY days of obsessive-compulsive nit-picking and navel-gazing, JUST HOW MANY more times must the same fucking fallacies and idiocies have to be posted ... in YET ANOTHER thread?

Since the "Recommend" feature first began (YES, I've been an active DUer THAT long), I've found it LESS than worthless ... and the (so-called) "Greatest" page about 80% pure garbage (a polite word for shit). With the BALANCE offered by a "thumbs-down," it MAY (I won't hold my breath) have some limited value. In any given year, I MAY have bothered to "recommend" only a couple of dozen threads ... if that many. It's been a total waste of time.

The "logic" that a thumbs-down is somehow more powerful than a locomotive or able to leap tall buildings with a single bound and imposing some TYRANNY on the poor, little thumbs-up is sheer, unadulterated horse shit.

Every WHINING cry-baby lamenting the terrible "Unrecommend" betrays an even lower opinion of other DUers than I'm developing ... and that's saying a lot.

:puke:
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mamaleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #26
36. You know internet forum status is serious business! It's like WoW status.
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 09:23 PM by mamaleah
But unlike WoW, it seems like people are taking this way to seriously....

This unrec business is keeping folks from maintaining their self made internet street cred!
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #36
45. What's WoW?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. See...
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #47
53. Oh, of course! Duh.
I should've been able to figure that out.
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mamaleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #45
49. Something my husband drives me crazy with
The World of Warcrack (craft).

People on their take their reputations with other players very seriously. Too seriously.....but typical of the internet.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:12 PM
Response to Original message
30. Balance that with a three-recommendation limit, then.
If you're going to argue for it at all.

Personally I think the whole debate is incredibly stupid and all I see is a lot of people who have their knickers in an almighty twist for no real reason.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:20 PM
Response to Original message
35. I LOVE IT
that is all
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:23 PM
Response to Original message
38. Rec/Unrec should be balanced if a limit is imposed
(as DU is currently missing a middle ground)


Maybe I'm a mutant DUer, but middle ground for me is reading what interests/informs me and moving along to the next OP.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:43 PM
Response to Original message
40. Idea is hogwash
IMHO
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #40
48. GMTA ... maybe it helps fight swine flu?
:rofl:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:48 PM
Response to Original message
43. I think people need to relax.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:55 PM
Response to Original message
44. I think they should arrest people who stand in water!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:23 PM
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46. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:26 PM
Response to Original message
51. Some of you are out of your minds. This isn't a negotiation. Thats why it takes forever to get
decent things on this website, because some people take this place waaaaaaaay too seriously, and want to moan over every little change that comes down the pike. Seriously, op, get a life. You're putting way to much thought into something of little consequence.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #51
76. Pretty authoritarian and paternalist attitude there.
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 02:20 PM by Ken Burch
What makes you so sure you're entitled to take a "you kids stop jumping around in the back seat" tone like that?

If it's of little consequence, why are you so committed to attacking all opposition to it? You can't have it both ways.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:27 PM
Response to Original message
52. Furthermore, there is a whiney minority that thinks if they whine enough, things will change
Every DU poll done on the issue has come out highly in favor of the change. Deal with it.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #52
75. Please don't use phrases like "a whiny minority"...that's Republican talk
and I know you're NOT a Republican.

Unrec is a solution without a problem.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:24 PM
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54. You spent a lot of time on that post.
You made a reasonable and well-considered argument. You generated lots of responses.

But your thread is ranked as "less than zero." Insulting, isn't it?

:dem:

-Laelth
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #54
59. Hopefully it's more than insulting
It should be educational.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. If so, what would the lesson be?
Tell us what we want to hear, or just shut up?

:shrug:

:dem:

-Laelth
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. How about, that a post no matter how long it took to write may not have any recommendable content
And, in fact, a post just may not be generally interesting at all, no matter how long it took to write. The fact that I have to suggest a few possible points to you on this matter is indicative of something lacking, perhaps. Can't you figure that out yourself?
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #61
63. Or, perhaps it says, "Tell me what I want to hear or just shut up."
I certainly did have an opinion about what the unrec function teaches.

Thanks for the response.

:dem:

-Laelth
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. Well, see, the facts don't support your conclusion
Still, you're entitled to it, so harp all you want! Your whines just won't be appearing on the "Greatest" page, but at least they won't be censored.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:55 PM
Response to Original message
56. The People Have Spoken
Away with this piffle. Now let's move on.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #56
105. You sound like a Nixon supporter on Election Night, 1972
We don't need that kind of "Silent Majority" mindset here.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #105
135. So, you think that Obama should work with the Republicans then?
I mean, otherwise the silent majority who voted him into office would be terrorizing the minority that didn't vote for him.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #105
141. hahaha
I guess you didn't check my post count before you posted that.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #56
109. You sound like an Obama supporter on Election Night, 2008
We don't need this kind of change around here.

:sarcasm:
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #109
110. There's no way that "unrec" could be change or could possibly be progressive
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 03:25 PM by Ken Burch
Any restriction on discussion is objectively right-wing. And it's not like there was a grassroots demand for this.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #110
115. yeah what could be progressive about us voting on what should or should not
be on the greatest page? I see your point.

:shrug:
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #115
143. lol
+1 on the well deserved mocking!
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #110
136. So is DU right wing for not allowing conservatives?
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #110
142. FAIL
Your premise is clearly false. And on top of that, it is irrelevant to a voting system for the greatest page because a vote yay or nay on whether or not the content is 'great' is not, by any yardstick, a restriction on discussion in any case.

That's a double fail in one post! Good job! Now if only I could UNrecommend single posts..... hahaha :^D
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:42 PM
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65. I think it's fine the way it is.
I say either leave it alone or get rid of both Rec and Unrec.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #65
84. +1
I thinks the Admins are being NICE to not show the actual negative numbers.

If you do away with Unrec, then Rec should fall by the wayside as well.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:02 PM
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67. Hate it...sorry. nt
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:05 PM
Response to Original message
68. instead of
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 02:06 PM by krawhitham
<0 can we get the negative number

I would really like to see how far in the hole this thread is
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:12 PM
Response to Original message
71. So, if a KKK Freeper posts vile BS we couldn't unrecommend it if we've
already used up our unrecs on regular freeper BS?

Fail.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:21 PM
Response to Original message
77. You really like the Greatest page now...so why change it?
If it's working well now, why give disruptors/ repeat trolls the edge again?
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:27 PM
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81. I think there should be forms to fill in and mail, for every Rec and Unrec.
Signed and dated. And Skinner would have to approve.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #81
96. Including DNA tests and stool samples
can't be too careful, you know!


:7

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
83. any and all posts I see concerning the "unrec" function will from this point on
get unrec'd by me.

it's a totally inane argument based on complete and utter ridiculousness.

we all only get one rec or unrec.

if you write crap, you get unrec'd, if you write thought provoking pieces, then you get rec'd.

it's really that simple.

improve your writing skills and the research you put into your pieces and you will get rec'd.

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:35 PM
Response to Original message
86. But that would make it more difficult to censor and remove all posts one disagrees with....
that appear or might otherwise appear on the "greatest" page.
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:37 PM
Response to Original message
87. Nobody is talking about the reason
DU now has an unrecommend function. If I'm not mistaken it was asked for because of abuse of the recommend function....people recommending stupid threads about personal,unimportant or joke threads.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #87
93. No one has really mentioned what threads this included.
And, from what I saw, frivolous threads die a natural death anyway.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #93
98. And now, frivolous threads die a death without being on GP, unless enough DUers think they should be
there and outvote those who don't think they should be there.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #98
99. Why wasn't the original quiet death enough?
Unrec is a solution without a problem.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #99
101. You keep asking the question, ignoring the fact I and many others have answered it. It's clear
you don't like the Unrec feature. Many others do.

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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #101
106. You like "unrec" because you want to be protected from anything you disagree with
That's hardly an attitude Paul Wellstone would embrace.

The answer is to wade into the debate and make your case, not to demand protection from that beyond your comfort level.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #106
107. If that were true, I wouldn't read through the forums, or the latest page, now would I?n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #87
118. So now there is a more damaging feature to abuse! Cool!
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:25 PM
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111. How about not?
The new system appears to be a positive change for the greatest page, although the shitstorm of negativity surrounding it is not so good.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:30 PM
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113. People who take themselves too seriously should not be taken seriously by anyone else.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 05:38 PM
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121. A life.
Get one.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 05:40 PM
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122. My cat just coughed up a huge motherfuckin' hairball and I'm supposed to worry about unrecs?
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:18 PM
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124. Sounds like you need a zoomgroom. They pull out that underhair on long-haired cats well.
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 06:21 PM by lindisfarne
http://www.petco.com/product/106332/KONG-Cat-Zoom-Groom-Brush.aspx
The ones for dogs & cats are identical; I found a dog one at a garage sale and it works the same as my cat one.

Overpriced, but reduces the furballs one has to clean up.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:28 PM
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126. Oh goody, coz I already got sucked into buying one of these


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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:36 PM
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127. For a cat? Why? Nail clippers work fine. n/t
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:55 PM
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128. Actually, after I figured out how to use it, it works better because
it rounds off the nail so that when he tries scratching furniture there are no sharp parts that snag. Since he's an indoor cat, this works great. The more you use it the better it gets. Still, I had to drug him at first to get him to sit still long enough. I needed his drugs after that.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:59 PM
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129. I just choose furniture the cats won't scratch (most of the time). Yes, they rule my life. I keep a
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 07:01 PM by lindisfarne
nail clipper near where they usually sit on my lap; when they're sleepy, I can usually get at least one paw done.

ZoomGrooms work better than brushes, combs, and just kind of pulling hard while petting. It was amazing how much underhair it got the first time I used it (vet had one). Greatly reduces furballs.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:52 PM
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132. Jeeze, now you have me all wanting to get one
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:19 PM
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125. We seem to be following the failed policies...
of dKos... seriously.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:07 PM
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130. I'd be for it as long as it also features a 3 rec limit as well.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:50 PM
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131. good idea. Youtube limits that amount of voting that can be done within a certain period
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:54 PM
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133. There ought to be the exact same limits/restrictions for recs and unrecs.
Preferably none.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:01 PM
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134. I agree.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:52 PM
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137. I think that many people
are freaking over NOTHING.

Who cares about the greatest page? I mean in the grand scheme... who gives a shit?
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:55 PM
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138. Also they should have to comment on why
When we alert, they want an explanation of why we altered. I was once asked to explain an alert that had clear hate speech in it. "Please don't send alerts without an explanation. What seems obvious to you may not be clear to the mods. I would thank you not to send blank alerts in the future." That was sent to me here by a a 'mod'. So yeah, I think the same sort of thing should apply to unrec as applies to alerting. None of it without an explanation, so that bigots don't gang up on minority opinions.
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Po_d Mainiac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:05 PM
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139. k&r n/t
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:07 PM
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140. I Humbly Propose That Everyone Like Me Because I Don't Like Having My Feelings Hurt
And if you disagree you're stifling my free speech.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:56 PM
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145. You disagree by debating. It's enough to have the right to debate
"unrec" isn't disagreement, it's just censorship. Especially since no one who "unrec's" is showing the courage to say why in a particular thread.

It's absurd to say that there are actually cases where someone can ONLY express their disagreement by getting the thread moved. No one is ever at that degree of an unfair disadvantage in a debate here.
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 01:41 PM
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147. Censorship would be deleting a thread
Unrec is a far cry from that. There are plenty of people here who get absurd threads rec'd out the ass simply because they are popular, not because the idea they've expressed within is noteworthy or amusing in any way.

A thread doesn't start out on the greatest page. Big deal if it doesn't go there. Guess what? Most of the people on this site don't go to that page.

And if people disagree with the post, they can click unrec rather than get into a pointless flamefest that will just keep the thread kicked.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 08:27 PM
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150. all suppression is a form of censorship
I'm not saying I would personally throw around the word "censorship" over the unrec function, because that will sound hyperbolic since everyone always jumps to the most extreme examples of censorship.

But technically, suppression of ideas or information in any form is a type of censorship. This cite is in some ways "censored" by the very fact that it is moderated and that membership is conditional. Unrec is a mechanism for controlling how information is presented and what is presented. Whether its good or bad as another matter - I've obviously stated that I think its an embarrassing and childish "feature" to have on DU. But that's me. (And I'll live with it.)
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 08:22 PM
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149. Hell I'd take that limit for both rec's and unrec's
Cut down on some of the childish gamesmanship that I feel is going on with this system (before unrec as well)
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