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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:09 PM
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Jimmy Carter: The words of God do not justify cruelty to women
The Words of God Do Not Justify Cruelty To Women
Jimmey Carter
The Observer, Sunday 12 July 2009

"Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status ..." (Article 2, Universal Declaration of Human Rights)

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28)

I have been a practising Christian all my life and a deacon and Bible teacher for many years. My faith is a source of strength and comfort to me, as religious beliefs are to hundreds of millions of people around the world.

So my decision to sever my ties with the Southern Baptist Convention, after six decades, was painful and difficult. It was, however, an unavoidable decision when th e convention's leaders, quoting a few carefully selected Bible verses and claiming that Eve was created second to Adam and was responsible for original sin, ordained that women must be "subservient" to their husbands and prohibited from serving as deacons, pastors or chaplains in the military service. This was in conflict with my belief - confirmed in the holy scriptures - that we are all equal in the eyes of God.

This view that women are somehow inferior to men is not restricted to one religion or belief. It is widespread. Women are prevented from playing a full and equal role in many faiths.

Nor, tragically, does its influence stop at the walls of the church, mosque, synagogue or temple. This discrimination, unjustifiably attributed to a Higher Authority, has provided a reason or excuse for the deprivation of women's equal rights across the world for centuries. The male interpretations of religious texts and the way they interact with, and reinforce, traditional practices justify some of the most pervasive, persistent, flagrant and damaging examples of human rights abuses.

At their most repugnant, the belief that women must be subjugated to the wishes of men excuses slavery, violence, forced prostitution, genital mutilation and national laws that omit rape as a crime. But it also costs many millions of girls and women control over their own bodies and lives, and continues to deny them fair access to education, health, employment and influence within their own communities.

The impact of these religious beliefs touches every aspect of our lives. They help explain why in many countries boys are educated before girls; why girls are told when and whom they must marry; and why many face enormous and unacceptable risks in pregnancy and childbirth because their basic health needs are not met.

In some Islamic nations, women are restricted in their movements, punished for permitting the exposure of an arm or ankle, deprived of education, prohibited from driving a car or competing with men for a job. If a woman is raped, she is often most severely punished as the guilty party in the crime.

The same discriminatory thinking lies behind the continuing gender gap in pay and why there are still so few women in office in Britain and the United States. The root of this prejudice lies deep in our histories, but its impact is felt every day. It is not women and girls alone who suffer. It damages all of us. The evidence shows that investing in women and girls delivers major benefits for everyone in society. An educated woman has healthier children. She is more likely to send them to school. She earns more and invests what she earns in her family.

It is simply self-defeating for any community to discriminate against half its population. We need to challenge these self-serving and out-dated attitudes and practices - as we are seeing in Iran where women are at the forefront of the battle for democracy and freedom...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/12/jimmy-carter-womens-rights-equality
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:11 PM
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1. I remember this when it happened and wanted to give Jimmy Carter the
biggest hug that ever was.

He called it right. The message in his words is still current.

You go, Jimmy.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:12 PM
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2. Reason for Rec: Jimmy Carter is brilliant as is this article. Thanks.n/t
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:12 PM
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3. love him dearly
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:12 PM
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4. K&R for my favorite peanut farmer and home builder
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:14 PM
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5. No true God would justify nor advocate any such thing.
The perception of said words by stupid humans, well, that's something different.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:25 PM
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15. And if one did, so much the worse for gawd.
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Boddingham Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:14 PM
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6. Jimmy is a great man.
I'm grateful for having had the opportunity to vote for him.
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ControlledDemolition Donating Member (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:59 PM
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32. ... and swindled out of a second term by Bush's October Surprise! n/t
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:14 PM
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7. Wonderful piece! Good for President Carter!
Thank you for posting this very worthwhile read.

Rec'd
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:17 PM
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8. And that's why he's always been one of my favorite presidents
That and that he was visionary on foreign oil dependance.

Oh, and loved the solar panels on the white house.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:34 AM
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59. Indeed... one of the BEST
... even if he is a Christian.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:14 PM
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70. Is the 'disclaimer' really necessary?
Thanks for the article and posting FourScore.

Thank you President Carter as well...
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:17 PM
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87. Is the 'disclaimer' really necessary?
Oh yes. I believe people are who they are regardless of religion or the lack of it. If Cater were born in China and Buddhist, he'd still be essentially the same.

He can spout on about God, but it's really just him. He deserves all the credit.
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Unca Jim Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:44 PM
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84. Some of my best friends...
are christian. Try a little Kantian abstraction from self once in a while!
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:19 PM
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9. Another K&R
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:20 PM
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10. I loves me some Jimmy!
:applause:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:21 PM
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11. He and I share a reason for leaving the Southern Baptist Church
I only lasted from age 13 to 19, so six years to his six decades.
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:22 PM
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12. I love that man, he's a national treasure and we ignore him.
He's a buffoon, he's the worst President ever, Reagan was SO much better.

Right wing propaganda.

George W Bush is a gnat of the pages of history compared to Jimmy Carter.

As a male, where would I be without the women in my life?
At 54 am I not fortunate to be able to still hug my mother and know that if not for her, I would be nothing?
Any society that holds their women back, that discriminates against them, and that causes them pain and suffering, is not a advanced society as far as I am concerned.

Argue that with me.
AFTER, you think about the women in your life that have given you warmth and joy and made you what you are today.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:23 PM
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13. It's always nice to see the Universal Declaration cited...
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:31 PM
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18. Now that's a great picture!
And perfectly relevant, too!
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:30 PM
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25. Beautiful picture! -nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:11 AM
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48. Everything a Democrat should be - and so much more! nt
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:23 PM
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14. Now there is a real man, and if such a thing exist, a real Christian
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:54 PM
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30. He is a real Christian.
Yes, they do exist. That is why it is a shame to lump all Christians together with the hateful fundies and to condemn all Christians without looking at the good ones.

I know a man who, like Jimmy Carter, is another real Christian. He was a science teacher all his life. He would have cringed and quit his job if anyone had wanted him to teach creationism. He also runs a Christian camp, and has spent his life teaching people to recycle and conserve.

Maybe there seem to be so few real Christians because not all people provide the kind of leadership or the example of my friend the science teacher or Jimmy Carter. The rest of us have to do the best we can and respect the example that those few set for us.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:09 PM
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35. I agree.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:27 PM
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16. Can I hear and Amen!
I'm so tired of people using religion as an excuse for their own hatred and prejudice. I applaud Pres. Carter for leaving his church--it was a hard move, but one that needed to be done.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:17 AM
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55. Amen and Halleleujah!
A true Christian and humanitarian. God bless Jimmy Carter, we need more presidents like him.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:30 PM
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17. the best president in our history after he left the whitehouse
he has done more for the people on this planet than most presidents do while in office
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 05:56 PM
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78. He also was the best while in office!
He just got sidetracked by the Republicans.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:39 PM
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19. "The words of God do not justify cruelty to women" spot on..nt
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:43 PM
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20. You go, Jimmy!!
Only one thing missing here: educating a woman is worth it even if the woman never has children or a family at all.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:51 PM
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21. I credit Jimmy Carter with vanquishing George Wallace.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:05 PM
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22. I love Jimmy! :-)
Many people only associate Carter with Stagflation and the Iranian Revolution and I'm sure that rubbed off on their kids as well. I'm fortunate that my parents like Cater and so I never internalized the crap spewed about him growing up.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:13 PM
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23. A great man who had to be born in our generation...
complete with idiots who never understood him.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:19 PM
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24. Thank You. K&R
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:32 PM
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26. I love Jimmy Carter.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:34 PM
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27. He's obviously a communist atheist.
Coming from strong Southern Baptist stock, I must say that Jimmuh, for all his wonderful attributes, is a bit slow on the religious perception end of things. That shit has been going on sub rosa in the church for decades.

I still love Jimmy, anyhow.

Recommend.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:34 PM
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28. He has more courage than the entire Bush family combined. My first vote was for his re-election.
Still my proudest vote ever.
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:41 PM
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29. Jimmy Carter is one of our best Presidents, a wonderful human being,
and he just keeps getting better and better.

It is simply self-defeating for any community to discriminate against half its population. We need to challenge these self-serving and out-dated attitudes and practices

It couldn't have been easy for him to leave his church, but he did the right thing. Thank you, Jimmy.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:54 PM
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31. I have always considered Jimmy Carter a wonderful human being.
I had the opportunity to vote for him for President twice and did so proudly. One of the worst moments that I can remember was waking in a foreign country in November 1980 to hear that Reagan had won the Presidency. That moment was only surpassed by a worse experience in November 2000. I had left the room just after the delegates for Florida had been projected for Gore, only to return minutes later to find that number removed ... with the long agony thereafter of seeing an election stolen and then awarded to a dolt.

If the outcomes of those two elections had been different, I have no doubt that our country would be a kinder, gentler and more compassionate nation today, on a stronger economic footing with a saner environmental policy, as well as respected and admired for our adherence to the Rule of Law.

I also do not forget that Jimmy Carter worked very hard early in his Presidency to help pass the Equal Rights Amendment even though his efforts alone were not enough. He has been consistent and true throughout his life. The SBC have only themselves to blame for losing this man, who epitomizes the best of Christianity in every way.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:04 PM
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33. KICK AND RECOMMEND!!!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:09 PM
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34. thank you
:applause:

this piece should be written in gold and framed
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:10 PM
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36. K&R
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:19 PM
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37. Beautifully said
wish there were more people as wise as Jimmy Carter.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:25 PM
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38. I always thought the Jesus stories put women above not below as
the man made religions do
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:32 AM
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39. A good man. nt
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:52 AM
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40. Kick
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:10 AM
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41. Depends on an individual's interpretation of what "their" God says.
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 07:11 AM by SoCalDem
and that's why religion should be a PRIVATE thing...and should NEVER mix with politics/government.:grr:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:18 AM
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42. Applause & recommendations for Jimmy!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:25 AM
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43. Amen !!! - K & R !!!
:kick:
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:45 AM
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44. Another rec. nt
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:01 AM
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45. God, I love President Carter. nt
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:19 AM
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46. Women have been saying this for years, but no matter how public a figure she is---
People only listen once a man says it.

KUDOS to a great human being, Jimmy Carter.
(and I hate the lying, self-serving repuke spin that controls the media, history books, and the public mind.)
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:14 AM
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54. Sadly, you are right.
And it will take a huge chorus of men speaking out along with women before those who oppress will seriously consider change.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 07:02 AM
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90. yes, it's true.
sigh.....

well, thank goodness we have a President who actually respects human as human beings--that is actually a huge step and I think his example will have a rippling out effect over time, which we need.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:56 AM
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47. I was just thinking about Jimmy and his faith this morning...
I miss his kind of religious person. The kind that starts with himself, and ends with his God.
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Stargazer09 Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:22 AM
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49. K & R
I love Jimmy. :)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:25 AM
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50. A superb article
Love you Jimmy Carter
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:39 AM
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51. Oh how the right hates this man!
And it is only because he is good and stands up for what he believes in.

Tells you a lot about "conservative values".
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:58 AM
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52. kick
nt
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:06 AM
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53. Thank you Mr. President.
:patriot:
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:42 AM
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56. Jimmy Carter was the first president I voted for ...
that got elected. He was and always will be one of my heroes. I am so proud that the world gets to see HIM
as a representative of our nation.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:54 AM
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57. Your still a great man Jimmy Carter .....
And were also a great president.
Thank you for all you have done for humanity.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:20 AM
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58. Thank you President Carter. n/t
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:22 PM
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60. Thank you, President Carter.
The words of God do not justify cruelty to women

July 12, 2009


.....

It is simply self-defeating for any community to discriminate against half its population. We need to challenge these self-serving and out-dated attitudes and practices - as we are seeing in Iran where women are at the forefront of the battle for democracy and freedom.

I understand, however, why many political leaders can be reluctant about stepping into this minefield. Religion, and tradition, are powerful and sensitive area to challenge.

But my fellow Elders and I, who come from many faiths and backgrounds, no longer need to worry about winning votes or avoiding controversy - and we are deeply committed to challenging injustice wherever we see it.

The Elders have decided to draw particular attention to the responsibility of religious and traditional leaders in ensuring equality and human rights. We have recently published a statement that declares: "The justification of discrimination against women and girls on grounds of religion or tradition, as if it were prescribed by a Higher Authority, is unacceptable."

We are calling on all leaders to challenge and change the harmful teachings and practices, no matter how ingrained, which justify discrimination against women. We ask, in particular, that leaders of all religions have the courage to acknowledge and emphasise the positive messages of dignity and equality that all the world's major faiths share.

Although not having training in religion or theology, I understand that the carefully selected verses found in the holy scriptures to justify the superiority of men owe more to time and place - and the determination of male leaders to hold onto their influence - than eternal truths. Similar Biblical excerpts could be found to support the approval of slavery and the timid acquiescence to oppressive rulers.

At the same time, I am also familiar with vivid descriptions in the same scriptures in which women are revered as pre-eminent leaders. During the years of the early Christian church women served as deacons, priests, bishops, apostles, teachers and prophets. It wasn't until the fourth century that dominant Christian leaders, all men, twisted and distorted holy scriptures to perpetuate their ascendant positions within the religious hierarchy.

I know, too, that Billy Graham, one of the most widely respected and revered Christians during my lifetime, did not understand why women were prevented from being priests and preachers. He said: "Women preach all over the world. It doesn't bother me from my study of the scriptures."

The truth is that male religious leaders have had - and still have - an option to interpret holy teachings either to exalt or subjugate women. They have, for their own selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter.

Their continuing choice provides the foundation or justification for much of the pervasive persecution and abuse of women throughout the world. This is in clear violation not just of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but also the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Apostle Paul, Moses and the prophets, Muhammad, and founders of other great religions - all of whom have called for proper and equitable treatment of all the children of God. It is time we had the courage to challenge these views.





The health of a country is inextricably linked to the treatment of its women.



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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:58 PM
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61. K&R for Jimmy.
--imm
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:07 PM
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62. I just found a weakness of Unrecommend
I read through this post and wanted to immediately recommend it. I for some stupid reason clicked on UNrecommend. DAMMIT! DAMMIT!

The only thing I can say should be an improvement is a better marking of them so a person visually has a difficult time clicking on the wrong side. DAM! I feel stupid.
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HOLOS Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:10 PM
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63. Thank You, Pres. Carter-Truest Expose of Need for Women's Rights Ever!!!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:10 PM
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64. Wow... good for him.
Glad he severed ties, and stated so plainly why. Let's hope lots of people are listening.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:10 PM
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65. Thank you, President Carter
My all time favorite president. A good, good man.

Big K&R for subject matter. Until women are equal all over the world, there will be no peace.


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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:32 PM
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66. A true Christian and a good man.
God bless Jimmy Carter!
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:49 PM
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67. K&R
:kick:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:06 PM
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68. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, FourScore.:thumbsup:
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CraftyGal Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:13 PM
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69. K & R
Wow, what a beautiful man!
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:24 PM
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71. i love jimmy carter
such a good man....
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:59 PM
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72. Jimmy Carter, nonetheless, believes in an "all-male god" . . . does he not?
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 04:00 PM by defendandprotect
Jimmy Carter has always presented mass contradiction --
He withdrew us from the Olympics in Russia because of their attack on Afghanistan
but behind the scenes he knew that his administration had worked to "bait Russia
into Afghanistan ... in order to give them a Vietnam-type experience" -- !!!!!!

He also didn't seem to have the sense to understand that he was being set up and
betrayed at every turn by the right wing -- and his rescue missions were headed by
Ollie North and Secord--!!! The helicopters that went down in at least two different
failed attempts in the desert, just happened to not have accessories attached to keep
sand out of the engines!!!

Carter was also interested in UFOs and investigating what we actually knew when he
became president -- only to be told by the head of the CIA, George Bush, that he,
the president, "didn't have a high enough clearance" to see the information!!!
And what did Carter do about that?

Coming back to religion . . . the greatest insanity ever seen on this planet is the
notion of male-supremacy, underpinned by their own invention: organized patrirarchal
religion.

Patriarchy and organized patriarchial religion are suicidal -- from its war on nature,
women and children to its own self-hatred which evidently is the trigger for its violence.

Wake up, Jimmy -- !!
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Unca Jim Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:37 PM
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82. Well, to address the religion comments...
many christians think that God is too big for gender and applying gender to such a universal force is ridiculous.

Of course, I have no idea what Jimmy Carter believes. Nor do you.

Furthermore, it would be as ridiculous for me to tell you what you believe as it is for you to tell me what I believe or Jimmy Carter believes. People speak for themselves and in many cases actions speak louder than words.

As a christian and a part-time scientist, I recognize the default state of humanity (cytologically, genetically, chromasomatically) is female. That doesn't mean males are any less human than females. If I instead believed the default state of humanity was male, I don't see why that would justify viewing females as less human either.

I would modify your statement to: The greatest insanity ever seen on this planet is the notion of intrinsic supremacy of one human being over another, underpinned by their own inventions.


Violence has many causes and most religions are far more complex and nuanced than what appears on TV.
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 04:18 PM
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73. Carter has done more things right than most
and is in my mind one of our greatest leaders.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 04:19 PM
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74. k
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 04:26 PM
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75. I'll never forgive the boomers that shunned this man for Reagan
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 04:59 PM
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76. A Salute to the most influential woman in his life - His dear Mother - A magnificent woman for sure!
For those of you too young to remember what a lady Jimmy's mother was here is a little information on her:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillian_Gordy_Carter

Bessie Lillian Gordy Carter (August 15, 1898 – October 30, 1983) was the mother of former President of the United States, Jimmy Carter. She is also known for contribution to nursing in her home state of Georgia and as a Peace Corps volunteer in India as well as writing two books during the Carter presidency.....

She volunteered to serve as a nurse with the U.S. Army in 1917 but the program was canceled. Instead, she worked for the US Post Office at Richland before moving to Plains in 1920 where she was accepted as a trainee at the Wise Sanatorium before completing her nursing degree at the Grady Memorial Hospital School of Nursing in Atlanta, Georgia in 1923. Lillian's family initially disapproved of her choice of a career in nursing, but she continued her training and became very successful, earning the respect of both the black and white communities. “Miss Lillian,” as she was often known, would not allow blacks to enter her home through the back door, which was common practice at the time. Instead, she made them enter through the front and would often have them in her living room for casual conversation just as she would a white neighbor. These conversations would even continue after her husband Earl was to arrive home expecting the guests to depart....

In 1966, at the age of 68, Carter applied for the Peace Corps. After completing a psychiatric evaluation, she received three months of training and was sent to India where she worked at the Godrej Colony 30 miles (48 km) from Mumbai where she worked for 21 months including with lepers. Emory University established the Lillian Carter Center for International Nursing in honor of the work she did in India. The Atlanta Regional Office of the Peace Corps has named an award in her honor for volunteers over 50 who make the biggest contribution.

............

I salute you Lillian for having been such a wonderful woman and a fabulous mother to one of our dearest Presidents.

:patriot:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:45 PM
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88. I concur. What a human being she was! eom
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 05:52 PM
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77. Just imagine how different the world would be had Jimmy won his second term...
Here's to Jimmy Carter, America's best post-WWII president!
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:17 PM
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79. "It is simply self-defeating for any community to discriminate against half its population."
Well said, President Carter.

Wise words, from a wise man.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:19 PM
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80. Jimmy Carter doesn't know what he's talking about
The Bible is chock full of misogynistic commandments;Not discriminating and mistreating women makes you a bad Christian, according to the Bible. Carter's just another example who picks and chooses what he likes from the Bible, and ignores what he doesn't like.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:30 PM
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81. To say Jimmy Carter doesn't know what he's talking about is laughable! He is leading by example!
Have you read his biography? Maybe you should. I don't know your background or age but Jimmy walks the walk and not just talks the talk!
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Unca Jim Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:42 PM
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83. Ummm...
The bible is interpreted by humanity, and people's understanding of it changes over time.

It was written by many different people with many different opinions. No one follows it "to the letter"; there are too many contradictions. Like everything else, people and churches pick and choose what works for them.

It's always been that way and always will be.

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Richd506 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:50 PM
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85. Now there's a man who will have a favorable place in history
That peanut farmer is a brilliant diplomat.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:53 PM
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86. K&R
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:15 PM
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89. What an incredible read. Posted to FB. What a great man!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:33 PM
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91. another kick!
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