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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:30 AM
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I've Seen 1,200 Torture Photos
This moment, in which the Attorney General of the United States claims to be considering the possibility of allowing our laws against torture to be enforced seems a good one in which to reveal that I have seen over 1,200 torture photos and a dozen videos that are in the possession of the United States military. These are photographs depicting torture, the victims of torture, and other inhuman and degrading treatment. Several videos show a prisoner intentionally slamming his head face-first very hard into a metal door. Guards filmed this from several angles rather than stopping it.

The Special Broadcasting Service (SBS) of Australia revealed several of these photographs, video of the head slamming, and video of prisoners forced to masturbate, as part of a news report broadcast in 2006. But the full collection has not been made available to the public or to a special prosecutor, although it was shown to members of Congress in 2004. When these photos are eventually made public, I encourage you to take a good look at them. After you get over feeling ill, it might be appropriate to consider Congress' past 5 years of inaction. You'll be able to feel sick all over again.

In January 2004, the military seized photos and videos that were on computers and cell phones at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. Those related to the abuse of prisoners amounted, as far as I know, to those in the collection I've looked at. So, this collection does not include images of torture or mistreatment that may have taken place at Abu Ghraib after that date or at other locations at any time. I have reason to believe that such photos also exist in large quantity and depict types of abuses we have not yet seen.

Most people have seen fewer than 100 photographs from Abu Ghraib. I have posted online many of those that have been made public. These are not a bad representative sample of the whole, but they are far from complete. There are, among the more than 1,200 photos, images of prisoners and of military personnel that have not been published. There are gruesome scenes here that we have not publicly seen a single image of. And the images that we have seen are, in most cases, a single image or two from a long series of photos of an incident. In many cases, the collection includes multiple series of images from one event shot with multiple cameras. The public images have in many cases been cropped and/or censored to hide faces or genitals. In the uncropped versions there are, in some cases, additional people in the frame.

Were these Abu Ghraib photos all made public, but those from other times and places kept hidden, and were we unaware of the executive orders, Justice Department memos, presidential signing statements, congressional reports, Red Cross reports, presidential and vice presidential televised confessions, and so forth, the military could still claim this was the isolated work of a few "bad apples". But we would have a better understanding of what that work was. And making these images available to the public, or merely to a special prosecutor, would suggest an interest in seeking accountability for those responsible but not present in the photographs. On the other hand, hiding the evidence while prosecuting the soldiers who posed in some of the photos looks increasingly like scapegoating for the benefit of the Military Intelligence, CIA, and contractors who instructed the soldiers, as well as the commanders all the way up to the Secretary of Defense who encouraged torture, the lawyers who sought to provide immunity, and the president and vice president who gave the authorizations. Remember, for Attorney General Eric Holder to decide that our laws against torture can be enforced, he does not need to wait until each new piece of evidence is revealed and then respond appropriately. He already has all of this evidence and much more that we know about but have not seen.

The over 1,200 images that I've seen add to some stories we've seen sketched out before. We've seen the body of murdered prisoner Manadel al-Jamadi packed in ice. We've seen Spc. Charles Graner posing with it, and Spc. Sabrina Harman doing the same. But the fuller collection shows the process of cleaning the body up. A giant gash in the top of the man's head is stitched up, his eye patched, etc. Photos, some of which have been made public, show floors covered with the blood of this victim.

We've also seen a few images (one, two, three) of a man attacked and bitten by dogs. But the larger series of photos shows us much more of the wounds on his legs and arms, as well as his identification number: 153863.

Another prisoner with an ID (153399) is shown missing a good portion of his head. This is one of a number of dead bodies shown in the photographs. SBS (the Australian news outlet) found an Army report on his death and concluded that these dead prisoners had likely been shot by guards during a riot or murdered by guards in other circumstances. Others have claimed mortar attacks from outside the prison are to blame.

Charles Graner and Sabrina Harman appear quite a bit in these photos, posing and smiling, but also tending to wounds. Private Lynndie England appears in a relative few, the ones we've seen with a thumbs up and pointing at masturbating prisoners. Other photos show additional military personnel. In one shot, Graner and two other male soldiers are putting a bag on a prisoner's head. In one shot a possible private contractor wears an ID badge.

There are lots of photos among the over 1,200 showing naked prisoners, sometimes chained to bunk beds or with their legs stuck through bars. There's a naked prisoner face-down on the ground with blood beside him, and with an MP on his back and two more watching.

We have previously seen and heard about a prisoner who had lost his sanity and covered himself with feces, earning the moniker "shit boy." In the larger collection, we see him naked in the shower from the front, wearing white latex gloves. We see him pinned between stretchers but also standing, sandwiched between foam mattresses chained on him like a robe, with bags tied over his hands, and in other positions. And he is reportedly the same man shown slamming his head against a door.

We see a naked, hooded prisoner standing on two MRE boxes and bent over. We see photos shot from a balcony of two prisoners sitting or squatting with their hands behind their heads, one of them on the floor and the other on an MRE box. We see a prisoner with his ID number written across his naked chest in red marker, and red marker smiley faces drawn on his nipples. (His number, obscured by his hood, is 200_ _ 4, where the first missing number is 1 or 7 and the second is 9 or 4.)

Of course, we also see the simulated electrocution photos of a hooded prisoner standing on an MRE box with wires attached to him. And we see a prisoner apparently forced to stick a banana in his anus. We see this young woman lifting her shirt up, but without the cropping, fuzzing, and blacked-out eyes. We see her together with another young woman. We see a bunch of photos of these young women posing, fully clothed. We see the first one clothed and posing with Spc. Sabrina Harman, both smiling. According to SBS the story is that the two prisoners were picked up on the charge of prostitution.

There are three photos of a little boy, naked, in a robe, and fully dressed. While it is very disturbing to see this little child's photos in the middle of this revolting collection, I have no idea what they are doing there or whether he was mistreated, or whether anyone was threatened with his mistreatment. But I do know that the leading lawyer who facilitated our national torture campaign and famously said that a U.S. president has the right to crush a child's testicles is a professor at a prestigious university, while his boss is sitting as a life-time judge in the Ninth Circuit because Congress refuses to impeach him. The current excuse for delay is that the Justice Department plans to release its internal report (from the Office of Professional Responsibility) very soon, just as it has been promising for many months. If Holder finally releases the report and simultaneously announces the appointment of a special prosecutor, two things must happen.

1. We must not allow Congress to delay impeachment of Bybee any longer with the new excuse that a criminal investigation is underway.

2. We must pressure the special prosecutor to act without delay and without considering anyone to be above the laws written by Congress.

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:56 AM
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1. Thanks. Another example of what I reserve Recommends for.
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rwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:24 AM
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18. Could David
or someone forward this to Keith?
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:18 AM
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2. K&+R
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:19 AM
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3. Thank You David for writing this..as horrible as it is to read, the truth must be told ..
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 07:23 AM by flyarm
and we the people must come to terms with holding those responsible accountable..and if this congress and this Attorney General don't do the job they are sworn under oath to do, then we must remove them as well!

This is our house, this was done in our name..and if those put in place to do the job of protecting and preserving our laws and Consitution do not follow the letter of the law..they too must be held accountable.

Thank you for writing This David.

I have had enough and am sick and tired of the excuses..for doing nothing to hold the sick bastards who did this and much more, accountable.

Enough..no more fucking excuses..this must be top priority.

We have kids in harms way all over the world in our uniforms that will pay the prices for doing nothing!

We are out of excuses..

And getting those who followed orders to be the fall guys/gals will not work ..get the fuckers who ordered this shit..get the fuckers who ordered assassinations ..get them all..and now.

Damn it..this reminds me of the former USSR..and Stalin , and so many in History that we used to deplore.

Enough!

Hold those who ordered this shit accountable..get a special prosecutor ..and get the job done..and clear my name as an American, as someone who will never tolerate this in my name. And if those put into power by the American people won't do it, in a now desparate timely manner..well get those fuckers out too..because they become complicit in the crimes, and they put their name on the guilty rolls as well.

Not another commission of white wash and f'ing lies..get a special prosecutor with real balls..who has no partisan ties..and get those responsible behind bars..no more damn excuses , coverups or lies.

I vow i will put my money into replacing each and every congressperson who tries to stop a real investigation by a special prosecutor.

Every American who leaves this country , for work or pleasure has a bullseye on their back ..when no one is held accountable for this horror and inhumane treatment of prisoners.

Sure the American people may be ignorant to the crimes committed in our names..but the people of the world are well aware of these crimes against humanity committed by our government and in our name. They know the crimes that were committed to their brothers and sisters and mothers and fathers and especially to their children..be assured of that.

Thanks David for standing up and telling it..in the details you wrote about...like it really is.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 05:32 PM
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50. You're right: reading this is like reading about Stalin's worst atrocities...
...or reading about the tactics the Nazi's used on their innocent victims. I was in Theresienstadt nearby Prague a few weeks ago, which was a concentration camp during World War II (though they didn't gas people there) and the tactics the Nazi's used there on their prisoners sound awfully familiar to those used by Americans...

In the name of The United States, 'land of the free', 'the greatest democracy on earth', 'god's own country'...
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:23 AM
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4. K&R
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:24 AM
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5. Thank you for keeping this alive. K&R.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:25 AM
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6. "He who does not punish evil commands it to be done"
Leonardo Da Vinci
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:39 AM
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9. nice quote
smart guy
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:50 AM
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11. It is a great quote, but I am going to admit to learning it
on an episode of Criminal Minds, which is a TV drama, just this week.
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Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:26 PM
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32. Similar thoughts:


"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing."

Edmund Burke


"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing."

Albert Einstein

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:27 AM
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7. K & R!
:kick:
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:38 AM
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8. K&R
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:49 AM
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10. ttt
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:52 AM
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12. K&R


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biermeister Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:53 AM
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13. Friedrich Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller said-
When the Nazis came for (tortured) the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up (tortured) the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for (tortured) the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for (tortured) the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for (tortured) me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Thanks David- Let's hope AG Holder does the right thing and prosecutes these criminals!
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ShadesOfGrey Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:03 AM
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14. k&r
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:06 AM
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15. We all need to keep up the pressure!
David - you are one of the best! There can be no greater affirmation that we are living in a civilized society than the a functional system of justice that treats *all* people equally under the law.

John Yoo was hired by the Phila. Inquirer. What's next? A financial advice column from Bernie Madoff?

The Inquirer has splattered its masthead with an indelible blood stain. Think of that image when you see that paper.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:06 AM
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16. Big K & R !!!
:kick:
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:07 AM
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17. Recommend. The pressure to keep an investigation off the table must be horrendous.
And it's being done by the same folks who brought us this abomination in the first place--the military-corporate complex.

Rest assured that our Senators and Congressmen and Congresswomen are being told that if they support an investigation the full weight of the military-corporate complex will be brought to bear on them. The only way we can even begin to offset that is by writing, emailing, and calling them with our words of support for them, for the rule of law, and for the honor of our nation.

Thank you for this reminder, David.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:30 AM
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19. How can so many sick people appear simultaneously with an order
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 08:32 AM by peacetalksforall
to interrogate with torture. Nazi Germany. The United States of America. And in many, many countries throughout the centuries?

When do we become human? Joining a religion doesn't help humanity much. You either have honor for humans in your being or not. Belonging to a group within a political or religious system does not mean that a person is human. There is nothing superior about the United States of America except for individuals of honor and humanity, today and in our past. Since humanity includes honoring the original existing native inhabitants of this country, today and in our past, the group of honorable people dwindles. We are not a superior nation. We were a superior country in modern technology up to the day that our leaders gave, stole to sell, and moved our technology out to other countries.

Humanity starts within. It's either alive or under seige.

I think we need to prepare for another onslaught of attention and blame focused on the Sabrina's and Lynndie's and Charles's. There are many more names between Cheney and Sabrina/Charles/Lynndie - but we cannot exclude those officers and civilians in between Cheney and them as well as the people responsible for the contractors (State and various Intel Delpts).

Up and down the authority chart. Humanity was absent. The purpose was masked. We were told we were fighting terrorism, it was all about earth resources. It always has been.

Now we have the test of humanity by applying a legal process because of the rule of law that requires it.

Demolishing a documented and signed agreement of governmental structure and legal detail needs to prosucuted within the rule of law. It can't be ignored for political reasons, blackmail, or the weasle disease.

We must beat down the corporate-military-religious-media-banking-baron complex and keep them from doing this to us and the world again.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:35 AM
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20. K&R
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:07 AM
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21. Leak, leak, leak
Obama is resembling the little Dutch boy with his finger in the dam right about now. His best option is to disavow, quit covering and start prosecution or this will really start to mire his Presidency.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:35 AM
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22. K&R. nt
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:00 AM
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23. kick
nt
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:26 AM
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24. 100th rec...unless somene un-recs
What bothers me the most is NOT that we arent allowed to see these images, but that the crimes are being covered up.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:54 AM
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25. Recommended and thank you as ever for your unflagging commitment
to holding criminal feet to fires some historic day.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:03 AM
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26. K & R....
This is so shameful and I am afraid of these people that tortured prisoners coming home to live in America.
This is unacceptable, has been unacceptable and I demand Congress act! What do we have to do to get the laws enforced anymore? It's a damned disgusting shame!
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:05 AM
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27. Oh, get with The Program, and just "Look Ahead, Inc!"
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:10 AM
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28. K&R + thank you David-for all you do
Bob
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:16 AM
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29. That site will not let me submit for the Single Payer Health Care petition.
It says my q is spam, do not post html.  But my post is not
spam and I have no html in the message I wrote.

Can someone fix it because the Single Payer option cannot be
voted on in the current condition.

Thanks.


PS:  It did let me submit for prosecution of torture perps.
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:45 AM
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30. Thank you for posting this, davidswanson. K&R -nt
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:22 PM
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31. Impeach Judge Bybee
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:40 PM
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33. Take a moment to consider the things done that were NEVER photographed - acts done in the shadows

If the horrors we see photographed are shocking, consider what other acts were committed as well. The ones that were too objectionable and harsh for even the worst sadist to choose to 'commemorate' with a quick shot from their cell phone. The acts we can only imagine.

The photos that have leaked out have only been the 'tip-of-the-tip' - of the iceberg. Consider the massive iceberg which lies below. The one we will never see.

That is worth taking a moment to consider.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:10 PM
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35. Brutal article on sodomy etc.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:57 PM
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34. you are right. how long must we be party to this sickness and depravity?
until the criminals who perpetrated this POLICY from the TOP are held to account, we as a nation are culpable for their actions. We are cowards if we don't act.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:16 PM
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36. This is the logical escalation of what happened during Iran Contra
there were no prosecutions then, and if we don't, this is coming home

Realize this when you demand that Congress do its fucking job. But also realize that an empire never acts to punish its own.

That does not mean I will not demand it, but just don't expect them to do it,
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:38 PM
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37. K&R
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:53 PM
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38. "Looking Forward" is just another name for...
...Looking the Other Way.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:03 PM
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39. To not prosecute is to be complicit in these crimes.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:11 PM
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40. kr
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:06 PM
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41. Recommended.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:31 PM
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42. knr for the sick bastards on this board who suggested that anyone who wanted these released..
wanted them only to satisfy their own personal fetish.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:50 PM
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43. These are crimes which cry out for prosecution . . . Let's go Holder --!!!
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Mrs. Ted Nancy Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:25 PM
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58. J. Proctor Knott
J. Proctor Knott on impeachment William Belknap (secretary of war under U.S. Grant).

Belknap had profited from kickbacks by military contractors. The House began impeachment proceedings, documented the charges, and just before the articles were formally voted, on March 2, 1876, Belknap resigned. But the House voted impeachment anyway. The reason, as House Judiciary Chairman J. Proctor Knott explained to the Senate, "was that his infamy might be rendered conspicuous, historic, eternal, in order to prevent the occurrence of like offenses in the future."

Bush's presidency should live in infamy.


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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:53 PM
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44. Accord. K&R. (200+ recs). HOLDER... PROSECUTE OR APPOINT NOW.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 04:19 PM
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45. Going Down? Mr. Holder
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 04:38 PM
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46. K&R n/t
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 04:43 PM
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47. Bless you and what you stand for, davidswanson.
This torture issue makes me cry.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 05:03 PM
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48. +1 - K&R
America is in a precarious position.
EVERYTHING hinges on the decisions made in the near future (or NOT made).
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 05:28 PM
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49. Accountability? Impeachment? Punishment? No, that's reserved for non-Western leaders...
We're very eager to hold non-Western leaders accountable, e.g. like Charles Taylor, whose trial began today (and rightfully so!), but our own corrupt, criminal, murderous leaders will never have to face accountability. Not Rumsfeld, Rice, Cheney or Bush (or Blair, Straw, and Howard for that matter).

Those are the good guys. Haven't you heard? The West is fighting terrorism! We need people like them to protect us! They would never engage in torture! It's merely enhanced interrogation! And the victims are only muslims! We all know they're subhuman terrorists, right? And anybody who says something else, must be a conspiracy nut. Right?

What's that on the news? Michael Jackson died? Oh good, in that case we don't need to pay attention to this torture-story anymore. Besides, it happened a long time ago, right? We need to look forward! Let bygones be bygones. We have recently 'elected' a new president, so all bad things have never happened and we needn't worry about them anymore...

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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:20 PM
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52. People like Rumsfeld et al. have too many friends inside the government.
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 06:21 PM by Selatius
They are, to varying degrees, insulated from what the civilian population may want, which could be war crimes trials. The ones who hold power now want to continue to hold that power. To prosecute the criminals would be to set a precedent to roll back certain powers accumulated under Bush. As Frederick Douglas said:

"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will."

The only way things can get rolling on holding these people accountable is if the people leave the politicians with absolutely no choice left without dire consequences for failing to obey the demands of the people.

If Charles Taylor were connected with the same cabal of friends that Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc. have, things might have been different for him. Taylor simply lacked the connections.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:11 PM
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51. Thank you David
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:52 PM
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53. Thanks David - your hard work
has been a valuable service to this country. K&R!
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:18 PM
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54. Tell us some more about how Iran is a great place.
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:19 PM
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55. #252 Thank you, davidswanson, for doing what's right.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:22 PM
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56. K&R thanks
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:55 PM
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57. Accountability and Transparency....My God, if we can't have that ,whats the point?
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wial Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:28 PM
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59. what I can't get my head around is why Berkeley
puts up with that clown Yoo. If he were here in Madison we'd occupy the building and dump trash on his head.

Surely dumping trash on the head of the worst war criminal in generations is protected speech? If you must be politically correct, only dump recycling on him.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:16 PM
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60. This needs a kick
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 03:42 AM
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64. One more kick
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:27 PM
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61. Looking at those photos make me nauseous.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:43 PM
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62. :( Thank you n/t
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 01:27 AM
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63. K&R
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 03:51 AM
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65. nudderkick
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 04:08 AM
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66. Excellent work, David
Must confess I can't bring myself to look at the pictures, but I can cry out for justice for those poor souls who suffered at the hands of Cheney, et al. I have a gut feeling Holder was open-minded about going down this road of a special prosecutor from the beginning.
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johnhkennedy Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 11:26 AM
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68. We need the emotion caused by the pictures to move US to make Prosecution Happen.
Regarding iwillnevergiveup's comment that
"I can't bring myself to look at the pictures, but I can cry out for justice for those poor souls who suffered at the hands of Cheney, et al."

It is tough to look at them but we must because it causes us to be angry enough to do something about it. Unless we all fight every day for Prosecution, Nothing Will Change.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 05:35 AM
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67. K&R
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