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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:20 AM
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Damn It! Empathy Does Not Mean Sympathy.
Dumb ass Americans. I'm sick of the stupid. It burns deep here in America.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:23 AM
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1. Empathy means feeling what someone else feels.
If you want a judge to care that a plaintiff gets headaches, then you want sympathy.

If you want a judge to get a headache while listening to a plaintiff who gets headaches, then you want empathy.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:33 AM
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7. If you try to make sense of these Republican Senators
You get a migraine!
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:24 AM
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2. this is not the first time
the meaning of a word has been subverted. The right wing zealots are very good at it.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:26 AM
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3. Only in this sicko country would being able to empathize w/others be seen as a negative quality.
What a good, "christian" country!
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sfwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:30 AM
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4. #$#$ - Makes me sick... EOM
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:31 AM
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5. Exactly
How is it that these fools take something positive and spin it to a negative is beyond me. Me thinks the sheeple need to crack open a dictionary.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:31 AM
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6. Should we empathize with the sympathizers?
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:36 AM
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8. Neither has any place in a court of law, where cases should be
decided on facts, not emotions.

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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:45 AM
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10. If we all lived by your standard, slavery would still be the law of the land
It was after legal, and if the ONLY consideration was if it was legal certainly would be law today. There are more things to the law than precedent and facts, there is this sticky thing called JUSTICE, which encompasses the law AND emotion!
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:19 PM
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14. hyperbolic bullshittery
there is ZERO room in justice for unequal application of the law based upon the emotional whims of jurists.

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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:48 AM
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11. As a lawyer practicing for thirty years now, I respectfully disagree.
There is great value in being able to put yourself in someone else's shoes, and that means both sides.

We don't need robots on the bench. Nor do we need judges picking one side out of sympathy. But judges who can understand both positions - that's what we need.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:21 PM
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15. I can see your POV on this, but
I must insist that if this emotional intrusion into a jurists' "reflections" results in unequal application of the law, then justice suffers.

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:24 PM
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17. In the US, we have combined Courts of Law with Courts of Equity...
"The Law" is what is in black in white, in statutes, and in case law.

"Equity" is a sense of innate decency, fairness, and justice.

So you are incorrect as to the primacy of "law" in our modern court system--it shares a seat with equity...
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:27 PM
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18. Only someone naive or living in a vacuum would believe that
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 12:27 PM by tekisui
court cases are decided on purely factual or intellectual grounds. The jurists find the legal reasoning to get to the position they hold.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:37 AM
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9. It's been over use
thats what happens when people that don't understand the meaning starts using
words because they heard someone else uses it and thought to themselves.....
hey! that sounds cool, it makes me look real cool.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:51 AM
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12. And your vitriol looses more people every day!
:spray:

But, in seriousness, newspeak seems all too real...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak
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Sigh Sister Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:07 PM
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13. When I was in nursing school,
an instructor confused the two, and I couldn't convince her she was wrong. She told me to look it up in the glossary of the textbook we were using, and IT had it wrong too! I was astounded. I brought a dictionary in the next day to educate her.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:24 PM
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16. I suspect that you
are making reference to the pathetic ass in DC. He, too, knows that they are not the same. But he is a paid liar, hoping to fool those who do not know. For deceit is he devil's tongue, and lies his language.
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