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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 08:29 PM Original message |
Possible problems with private insurance if abortion is forbidden in health care reform. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Heh heh |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
3. Just so you know, if you don't already -- Federal employee health plan does NOT cover abortion |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Well, I am too old to have an abortion, so it doesn't affect me. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. I am too old now -- but I'm a retired Fed, and I *wasn't* too old once. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I don't think he will either. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Dupe deleted |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
6. I support the right, but see no need to fund it with public money |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. What if it isn't voluntary? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Covered. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. No. They demand that it "explicitly exclude abortion" |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Elective abortion or all abortion? All is not ethical |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Your view shows me the religious right has won. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I am basically agnostic.. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Not really. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Maybe you misunderstand.. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I did not misunderstand. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Yeah, personal responsibility, choice comes with responsibility... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. So you think women who have abortions are not responsible. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Not responsible would be a state making a choice for them |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. You are acting like you are superior to me. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Again, "right wing" |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
49. except that is not what he said |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. You would LOVE the new AZ governor....taking anti-abortion to new levels |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. I find equating abortions with cosmetic surgery more than a little disturbing. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Yep, I an agnostic. Not a religious thing |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Most private insurance covers any abortion |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. States regulate this, not feds.. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
57. "Abortion is not birth control (which is covered)"? Um, yes, it is. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
56. Would proving contraceptive failure fit in your view? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Yep, If i back my car into a post |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Contraceptive failure = backing your car into a post. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Killing A bill for this issue, wilder |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Having this even be an issue, wilder yet |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. That would be a choice.. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. What is the alternative to "elective abortion"? "that would be a choice"? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. No court cost? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. That included court cost. I have a good record, begged, did some |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. My concern IS the state |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
32. Rape and incest are psychological wellbeing issues - |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Crime non crime |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 03:49 AM Response to Reply #41 |
50. Crime or not, abortion is about ending an unwanted pregnancy - |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Not a "community" call. Strictly personal |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
39. Federal employee insurance covered it during BIll Clinton's administration |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
40. So a voluntary procedure shouldn't be covered? Then pregnancy/childbirth shouldn't. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. It is not under medical.. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. The FEDERAL employee BCBS plan covers all pregnancy costs |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Insurance is regulated by states |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. The states do not regulate Federally mandated coverage. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
45. I have never had private insurance that excluded any abortion |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Again, based on your state.. |
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solstice (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
8. Federal employees - whose health insurance is supposed to be so great (but isn't) - can't pay for |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. The battle is over, we just don't know it yet. |
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PinkyisBlue (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
33. They also have the backing of most of the MSM behind them... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Excellent post. |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
20. Do we have a full list of these 19 Dems? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Here they are, but they are not the only ones.. |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Remember these names, people |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
22. Durbin today on TV said he thought Hyde to be set law. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
24. From Street Prophets: a pastor's post about religious bullies and health care. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. 86% of counties across the United States currently without a provider?? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Here are some examples of various states and % of counties with no access |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
31. problem with - "71% favor including reproductive services such as... |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. Those who wish to create separate but unequal health care for woman |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Yes, many on the religious right equate the two. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
48. It would be in the government's best interest to pay for abortions considering the health care |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 04:53 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Poor children are disposable. |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
60. If it won't pay for abortions |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
65. I agree. Throwing women's health care under the bus |
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