An Offended Mother on the Topic of Blowjobs

[babylonsister]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=6058721

Marcy Wheeler aka emptywheel mentioned a blowjob on Shuster's show yesterday and they felt the need to apologize for her.


http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/6314#more-41806

An Offended Mother on the Topic of Blowjobs
By: Rayne Monday July 13, 2009 5:16 pm



Those of you who know me also know I have a couple of kids -- a teenager in high school, and a tweenager about to enter middle school.

Both of my kids have met the infamous blogger who used, you know, THAT word on MSNBC this afternoon. In fact, they were watching the video of the infamous blogger.

Neither batted an eye about the use of THAT word.

And I am so proud of them.

Because even my kids know the real obscenity isn't a euphemism for oral sex, or even that it happened on a cable show in the middle of the afternoon. My kids know that the real obscenities are these:

* Our country went to war based on lies told by elected and appointed officials;

* Their brother and the sons/daughters/brothers/sisters of many other families like ours served for this war, came back damaged or dead, for nothing but lies;

* Their president and vice president lied repeatedly about all manner of things while refusing to accept responsibility for any failures which happened on their watch;

* Their government was either obstructed during investigations into these lies or simply failed to make any effort to investigate these lies;

* Their government spent billions of dollars to make these lies, to support these lies, to pass these lies on, while killing hundreds of thousands of people in other countries, while making plans to kill more on a targeted basis in the form of assassinations;

* Their government tortured people, innocents among them, including children, to further their lies, in violation of fundamental human rights and codified law;

* Their fellow citizens are not better off for all of this, but are far worse off in terms of security, health and finances than before all the lies started;

* The corporate-owned media in their country makes money off ghoulishly beating a tattoo every day about dead entertainers and missing white girls while avoiding the work required of investigative journalism important to real democracy.

Even kids understand when adults are being stupid and unethical, and they know the truth when they see it.

As a mother I'm absolutely offended, but not about the word "blowjob."

I'm deeply offended that the corporate-owned mainstream media can turn a blind eye to the really offensive obscenities, thereby becoming complicit in the criminality -- and they've done this in front of my kids for more than eight years.

What am I supposed to tell these children?

[Captain Hilts]

1. If impressionable teenagers are willing to sit through political programs on the off chance

they'll hear 'fuck', 'shit', or 'blowjob', then that's okay with me.

[babylonsister]

4. And you missed the whole point of this mom's post. nt

[Captain Hilts]

12. No. In fact, I saw it on the original source. I agree with her completely.

The use of this phrase is a total non-issue that demonstrates how out of focus our political debates in the MSM have become.

[The Doctor.]

8. Well, I'd hope that wasn't their motivation...

But hey... why the fuck not?

[Ignis]

27. I watched C-Span for 8 hours and all I heard was "blumpie."

I want my money back!

[Swagman]

59. what's a blumpie ??

[Ignis]

61. Google it...if you DARE!

;)

[EnviroBat]

84. A "blumpie" is the ultimate expression of love...

[Echo In Light]

2. Good point, babylonsister!

[FSogol]

3. k & r n/t

[redqueen]

5. Nice!

Thanks for posting that here. :thumbsup:

[IADEMO2004]

6. K&R Well said

[LynneSin]

7. Wow, I recommended on 7 votes and it jumped up to 10 votes

this is heading quickly to the DU homepage.

'Scary Sex' talk by the talkingheads on Cable News is just a way to distract us from the real issues in this country.

[The Doctor.]

9. To answer your question;

Same thing you said here.

[ananda]

10. Hasn't the last nine years been one long screw job..

.. on the American people?

[Spazito]

11. Excellent!

The real 'obscenity' is what was done by the Bush cabal aided and abetted by the media, the same media that felt the need to apologize for the use of the words 'blow job'.

Recommended.

[Political Heretic]

13. You can be offended by both. Or put better, one's got nothing to do with the other.

That wasn't the best choice of words for a midday news program, and saying so doesn't suddenly mean you are't opposed to war, or torture, or the bush administration or whatever.

Note that I'm not "unrecommending" because that would be stupid - I hope that people don't simply start unrecommended any thread in which they have a slightly different point of view.

[thesquanderer]

36. You're right

and I wish I could Recommend your reply rather than the original post.

[Richard Steele]

14. K&R

[Catherine Vincent]

15. Good thing she didn't say it during the Super Bowl or else she'd have her head on a platter nt

[Stuart G]

16. K and R...thanks for posting this. nt

[ismnotwasm]

17. What the fuck

The word doesn't offend me, very few words do. The underlying sexism and homophobia when it's used in nearly any situation does. Like that fucked up little picture with the ponytailed female figure on her knees.

What offends me are the idiots who put a 'moral' spin on any so called obscenity. Inferring that any sexual act is an obscenity is stupid and destructive.

The mother is right, what *is* obscene is war, torture, the near mindless destruction of another countries infrastructure and a corrupt ex-administration whose members for some god forsaken reason are NOT in prison doing life

[whathehell]

60. I agree with you about the figure...I wonder how this mom would feel if her

tween was exposed to that.

I'll tell you how I felt when, I was exposed to a crude replica of that "fucked up" little picture drawn on a bathroom wall exactly like Pony Tail on her knees ...

When I first saw it, it was a horrible shock.

The demeaning aspects for the female were not lost on an eight year old girl and I remember how ugly and demeaning it seemed. I was traumatized by it.

I really don't think this piece needed to be accompanied by that sexist picture.

[ToolTex]

95. "I was traumatized by it." and "that sexist picture." Oh, come on now!

I'm sorry that you weren't educated to the realities of Earth before you were turned out into it at age eight.

I assure you that oral sex is not just done by demeaned, pony tailed, females.

It is done by both sexes on both sexes mostly for the pleasure of both participants whether by mixed sexes or the same sex.

If you look at that picture as demeaning to women, then I suggest that possibly you were "traumatized" and maybe should seek out a shrink for some professional adjustment.

That picture looks rather irritating to me, as I damn sure don't like to be told where I can't have oral sex if I want.

As far as the OP, it is squarely on target, (as usual for the poster).

[whathehell]

97. As far as being "educated into the realities of the earth".....You need to drop the patronizing tone

I doubt you're a parent. Perhaps I should say I HOPE you're not because if you think that it's o.k. to show eight year olds these sorts of pictures, I'd bet you'd be, at best, a little lax about keeping your kid away from internet porn.

It seems there's a few "realities of the earth YOU are not schooled in, so lets educate you: It's a well documented fact that, even today, most parents have trouble even TALKING to their kids about sex -- I can assure you that showing their eight year olds pictures of blow jobs is NOT "part of the program", so get real.

That level of "education" is NOT appropriate for a child that young, which is exactly why I WAS, in fact, traumatized. It's a natural reaction from a kid of that age and if you think it's just girls, you're wrong. Just recently I read of an eight year old boy who stumbled onto some computer porn -- He was so upset that he came crying to his parents saying "I don't feel the same way about myself".

[ProfessorGAC]

83. Did You Hear Begala's Line On Maher?

He had a great line on the show about the conservative aversion to sex. I don't remember the exact quote but, paraphrasing the best i can, "Sex is evil, dirty, and disgusting that you should save for someone you love!"

The entire panel broke up. So did i.
GAC

[Enrique]

18. won't someone please

[spanone]

19. k&r

[mike_c]

20. spot on!

A most EXCELLENT rant! Recommended, of course!

[usregimechange]

21. I agree, we have greater items to be offended by

[OwnedByFerrets]

22. Big Kick and a thought

We can't be subjected to the word "blowjob" but we can be bludgeoned over the head with "if your erection last more than 4 hours" every 12 mins on network television. Yeah, that makes sense.:silly:

[babylonsister]

26. No kidding there. And let's not forget extenze, which m$nbc flogs

mercilessly. :D

[chasitynola]

52. Ambien...

I need Ambien because I am SO TIRED of hearing those commercials when I have insomnia and I am channel surfing...

Signed,
A Momma Who Agrees With Your Rant!

[OwnedByFerrets]

68. Yuppers....and I get so tired of BOB

[valerief]

23. Well said!

[TomClash]

24. You mean death, lies, torture and theft . . .

. . . are worse than obscenities? Whoda thunk it?

Point taken. :thumbsup:

[winyanstaz]

25. ty babylonsister,

Excellent question and article. Good job.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. If words were all that influential, teens would all be angelic, well educated, and respectful.

Considering that they are likely to hear far more admonitions to be all those things rather than about blowjobs.

[RoccoR5955]

33. If you actually believe that, I have a bridge for sale JUST FOR YOU! n/t

[defendandprotect]

29. Oh, I so agree with you . . . beautifully written wisdom --

[defendandprotect]

30. Oh, I so agree with you . . . beautifully written wisdom --

[Vidar]

31. K&R

[CubicleGuy]

32. Can I get an...

Ayyyyyyy-men, {two, three, four}
Ayyyyyyyyyy-men, {two, three, four}
Ayyyy-ay-men, ayyy-men, ayyy-men. {two, three, four}

[Ken Burch]

34. That mom raised her kids well.

n/t.

[Cha]

35. Corporatemedia is so screwed up..it's

encouraging to see enlightened blogs like this one!

[Xenotime]

87. We need a fair government media that won't fall the pressures of ratings.

[Stinky The Clown]

37. In the interest of full disclosure, I gave this a rec.

[MilesColtrane]

38. Ms. Wheeler is a MILT.

Mom I'd Like to Thank

[fascisthunter]

39. another great post

rec'ed

[orbitalman]

40. An absolutely excellent post. n/t

[G_j]

41. K&R

[SpookyCat]

42. Thank you for posting that.

It amazes me how we can't show sex or the inference of actual relationship between gay people (Will and Grace does not count), or heaven forfend any "wardrobe malfunctions", but brutal murder and mutilation and the depiction of it on any number of CSI shows is hunky-dory.

I read once (can't site it) that we edit foreign movies for sex, and they edit ours for violence. Pathetic.

Thanks again, and I'll be sending this article on.

[LeftishBrit]

43. k&r!

[stellanoir]

44. Sista. . .

Totally R'ed.

This mum nails our loathsome media's thoroughly warped and contrived agenda.

The good news is these "Kids are Alright." and are well aware of the gross disparity of priorities.

Oral sex between consensual adults is truly none of our beeswax.

Killing and committing torture in our name and with our dough truly is far more prescient.

Good on them for being able to differentiate.

best as ever.

[omega minimo]

45. So what's yer point?!!

:yourock:

[no limit]

46. I'm more offended about tea bagging than I am about blow jobs

[onestepforward]

47. Brilliant! K&R

[Enthusiast]

48. Thanks for sharing that, Sister.

Isn't it refreshing to read the words of someone using intelligence to discriminate what constitutes an obscenity.

[mwooldri]

49. Tell the kids the US mainstream media is "fsck-ed up"??

If the mainstream media was a computer file system, i'd definitely like to run a fsck on them. (fsck = file system check command line instruction on most UNIX and Linux systems, and appropriately named because you often run a fsck when your hard drive is f**ked up).

As for the word "blowjob", they sure haven't heard of Michael O'Leary, the CEO of Ryanair.

I'm a British ex-pat and like to keep up with news from home. As such, I own a wifi/internet radio, and the radio is pretty much exclusively on a BBC station, either World Service, Radio 4 or Radio 7. It may have come to that point that you should consider purchasing a wifi/internet radio and listening to a wider range of stations - CBC, BBC, ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corp), DW, RNI... I do recommend the domestic BBC services of Radio 4 & 7 because of what they are: Radio 4 discusses topical issues of UK and international interest and has some good speech entertainment on too. The Afternoon Play (2:15pm UK time) I recommend is a good listen, and last Monday's play was *very* thought provoking, to the extent I'm recommending people go to the BBC iplayer online and listen (it's about adoption in the early 1960's in the UK with adoptees from that era talking about their experiences today surrounding their adoption and also depicts a botched abortion attempt). Radio 7 has comedy and drama on it (basically from the BBC archives), also some children's programming for the morning routine, but sadly morning routine for them is 1am-3am for us.

[malaise]

50. A super post

Rec

[WinkyDink]

51. The sexual one is a vulgarity (in the literal sense). The social ones go beyond obscenity into evil.

[DesertDiamond]

53. Three cheers for Rayne! And thnx to babylonsister for posting it here!

[hlthe2b]

54. Those "offended" pay no attention to what their teens are

exposed to at the movies (e.g., Bruno), on tv, or elsewhere.... The hypocrisy is jarring....

To me, however, the real obscenity is gratuitous and unrelenting violence--that perpetuated by lies on the people or Iraq (and elsewhere) and on our military.

[AlbertCat]

55. Alas, the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock.

And to this day America is sophomoric when it comes to sex....not even sex, but nudity, which for some reason is considered sex.

Yes, it's too bad we don't worry about some other areas of morality... like ethics.

[Aragorn]

56. war sucks

oral sex is OK though

[George II]

57. I think this is only about the third post I've "rec'd" in years!!!

I particularly appreciate this:

"even my kids know the real obscenity isn't a euphemism for oral sex, or even that it happened on a cable show in the middle of the afternoon. My kids know that the real obscenities are these:"

And then the litany of obscenities the bush administration perpetrated on America. With his verbal delivery, essentially bush committed "oral sex" on America!

Thanks!

[pleah]

58. Well, blow me down!

K&R

[SharonRB]

62. Yay, Rayne!

My Netroots roomie!

[babylonsister]

64. No kidding?!

Pls. send her this link-she'd love it, I hope!

:hug:

[SharonRB]

66. I did

I sent her a direct tweet.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

63. I know none of these people

Kill your TV.

[babylonsister]

65. Marcy Wheeler aka emptywheel is a blogger on FDL. You've

missed a lot if you've never heard of her.

[anigbrowl]

67. I'm not surprised by her lack of offence if she's posting as 'seminal' :-)

[mackerel]

69. Why is always about bj's?

See even euphemisms are alway about male pleasure.

[babylonsister]

72. Read the OP. It's not. Oy. nt

[jaysunb]

70. Smart Kids...

probably a result of, " good parenting." :)

[Greyhound]

71. Well that's definitely worth a K&R.

Not watching TeeVee is a real handicap in America.
:kick: & R

[tomm2thumbs]

73. Thanks for the reality check on what constitutes real obscenity in this country

These are the same folks that would hide National Geographics from their children in case a topless image appears - and then cheat on their company's financial books, sleep with a neighbor's daughter/wife, lie under oath, etc - but feel they are being 'morally correct' by not talking about certain 'naughty words'.

Barf.

[wroberts189]

74. "What am I supposed to tell these children?"

I would say the truth but obviously they already know it.

Tell them to vote (when they are old enough) and educate others.

[zoff]

75. Them corporate whore-types are trying to distract us ...

... from what is really important.

[liberal N proud]

76. Bravo!

[olegramps]

77. What I don't understand is the erotic picture of the teen on her knees.

Was this part of the original post? I find it to be in bad taste.

[whathehell]

78. Yes, if you go up the thread you will find that a number of us find this offensive

Why don't you alert the mods like I did?

[babylonsister]

82. Wow. You don't think the mods are aware of this thread? Props

for your sensitivities, but you really must grow a thicker skin! You should be offended by this, not anything else, or was the whole thread lost on you?


* Our country went to war based on lies told by elected and appointed officials;

* Their brother and the sons/daughters/brothers/sisters of many other families like ours served for this war, came back damaged or dead, for nothing but lies;

* Their president and vice president lied repeatedly about all manner of things while refusing to accept responsibility for any failures which happened on their watch;

* Their government was either obstructed during investigations into these lies or simply failed to make any effort to investigate these lies;

* Their government spent billions of dollars to make these lies, to support these lies, to pass these lies on, while killing hundreds of thousands of people in other countries, while making plans to kill more on a targeted basis in the form of assassinations;

* Their government tortured people, innocents among them, including children, to further their lies, in violation of fundamental human rights and codified law;

* Their fellow citizens are not better off for all of this, but are far worse off in terms of security, health and finances than before all the lies started;

* The corporate-owned media in their country makes money off ghoulishly beating a tattoo every day about dead entertainers and missing white girls while avoiding the work required of investigative journalism important to real democracy.

[whathehell]

88. I need to acquire a "thicker skin"?....Maybe you need to become more sensitive.

Beyond that, I wasn't addressing you, I was addressing the latest poster to express offense at the gratuitous graphic.

I'm not the only person here who has expressed disgust for it -- At least two others expressed the same objection -- Did you send this kind of response back to them too?

As to your second point -- Yes, I AM offended by all of the injustices you've listed, but I fail to see how posting a demeaning, sexist picture relates to those. It's Apples and Oranges...Saying I "shouldn't be offended by anything else" is a non-starter. It's quite possible to be offended by BOTH for different reasons...Again, apples and oranges.

Just to be clear, I have NO problem with the opinion of the "mom" and your posting it here...I just don't think there was any need to post the offensive icon with it -- As has been said by the others -- a teenage looking girl on her knees -- That didn't need to be included in posting "Mom"s opinion of a word.

[babylonsister]

89. Mom posted that graphic at FDL. Take it up with her, since you

have no problems with her opinion. And lighten up. You'll see a lot of things on DU that will offend your tender sensibilities.

[whathehell]

90. I've already seen a lot from very crass sensibilities...especially concerning women.

It's not necessary to take it up with her, as she's not the one who posted the whole thing on this board.

I'd suggest you "deepen" up...and stop telling other people how to feel.

[babylonsister]

91. Oooh, you told me, yes you did! Will do-

NOT! :rofl:

Have a fine day, and don't take everything you read so personally, or do! I don't really care. :hi:

[whathehell]

92. Yeah, I guess I DID tell you, didn't I?...That's why, after several posts to me

you've suddenly decided that you "don't care"...Caring has a way of stopping when we've run out of good arguments, doesn't it?:evilgrin:

As for your next "order", dear..I do and "take" things as I please.

Have a fine day as well -- and as they say -- Stay Classy..bwhahahah!

[babylonsister]

80. It was part of the OP, and why do you think it's a teen?

If you read the whole OP, you'd know why it's relevant. Sorry if your tastes are disturbed, but that to me is the whole point.

[yoyossarian]

96. And btw, you have the patience of a saint!

That exchange with whatthehell reminds me of that Drew Carey episode where
an irate worker at his office sues him for decorating his cublicle with a
cartoon of a caterpillar making amorous advances on a crinkle-cut french fry!

:rofl:




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[L. Coyote]

79. It could be worse, she could be a Puerto Rican who says "Latina"

Ohhh, the absurdity of being chastised by morans for speaking the truth!

[Deep13]

81. "What am I supposed to tell these children?"

Always the truth. It may be unpleasant or disturbing, but it is still the truth.

[RedCloud]

85. But you cannot take away the Clenis from the obsessed MSM.

This was their play toy. I realize ever one of them was married to Bill and therefore had a right to grieve publicly, make jokes about it, or did they?

You know the 9/11 scandal created mega billions of dollars in profit for BushCo that they "sucked away" from the US taxpayer without even a word.

The truth is MSM is scared shitless to tell us what we need to know. I was so embarrassed that the British analyzed the assassination of RFK and showed several CIA thugs involved in assassinations and watching each witness get interviewed right after the killing. Why can't our MSM survey the crime area on their own instead of being lap dogs?

They are afraid to tell the truth and they will not even be killed if they do so. How more chicken shit can you get?

[proReality]

86. A huge K&R! n/t

[Agony]

93. There is NOTHING more empowering than having well educated kids! Carry on!

Congratulation on your well adjusted children with their priorities straight! I have a feeling it is not an accident.

Cheerio!
Agony

Kicked!

[yoyossarian]

94. With ya all the way on this, babs!

It's disgusting, alright... it's disgusting how the media can't
seem to distinguish between real stories of real merit and pure,
unadulterated bullshit.
And it's been going on seemingly FOREVER:

...the Big Lie of the Century, pushed by The Mega-Buck News Media on every front, was the idea that Clinton's indiscretions constituted not so much a crime (cuz if fellatio were truly a crime, wouldn't Rex Reed be in solitary 24/7?), but that Clinton had somehow failed all of America on this heavy moral level... the piteous wailing and gnashing of teeth went on for what seemed like years and years (but was in fact only a matter of years), and the goofiest cavil of all was the constantly repeated "What will I tell my children?" screed... it seems to me that such questions are inane and insanely hypocritical, coming back at us from the same source that provides a constant and unending barrage of violent and sexually provocative imagery and concept in the areas of entertainment and advertising... yes, sex sells... but where to draw the line between Permissive and Incredibly Excessive and Utterly Disgusting and Best Left Unspoken and Somebody Call Springer? What did you tell your children about Jeffrey Dahmer, that the news hadn't already spelled out in infinite, one might even say loving detail? What didn't the news cover about the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal, in terms even little kids could understand, except perhaps the unspoken but indisputable fact that even a good man is only human and capable of mistakes... that no one of us is perfect?
The Liars of the Century calling Bill the Liar of the Century?... I love that...

Excerpted from Some Folks I Profoundly Distrust, 4/26/01

Yet they let this motherfucker alone for 8 horrifying years:



Lucky for him that NO ONE would ever CONSIDER blowing him in a million years...
Personally, I'm guessing he probably has a tentacle down there.

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