Jindal signs refusal of health care bill

[SacredCow]

Gov. Bobby Jindal has signed into law a bill that protects doctors, nurses and pharmacists who refuse to provide health care on religious or moral grounds.

The new law will shield health providers from civil or criminal penalties, job loss or demotion because they refuse to provide certain services. That includes abortion, certain types of emergency contraception, human embryonic stem cell research and euthanasia.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/50231272.html

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:banghead:
Booby Jindal: He's bringing back the leeches and other medical practices of the dark ages.

[Deja Q]

1. Oh goody! Bobby Jingo is at it again!!

I need to read the bill before I say anything definitive, however... if one doctor doesn't want to do ____ then another will likely want to. It works out in the end...

Then again, most of us study and work hard to be in jobs where we can't do or not do things we want or don't want despite raising moral grounds... why should doctors be special? Or should everybody be special? I propose the latter, but whatever...

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

13. Probelm is rural areas

where there is only one doctor or one pharmacy, and the next one could be hours away. If a car sporting the rainbow flag is involved in a wreck in such a rural area, would you feel comfortable with the notion that the local MDs wouldn't treat you because they are members of a church like Westboro Baptist?

[Birthmark]

2. Try to understand

Republicans feel a deep kinship with leeches.

[Wapsie B]

3. So does this protect someone who refuses to provide care for a fetus lover?

[gmoney]

4. wonder if that will protect racists, too?

"I don't feel like providing emergency care because I feel people of other races are an abomination to God."

"I think it's immoral for this illegal alien to be receiving free health care while others go without."

[depakid]

19. Same thing

In fact, I now refuse to render aid to anyone who I think might be a Republican.

Stuck in a ditch? Want to me to use this winch? Tough shit- dig your own self out.

[Seedersandleechers]

5. I wonder if this would include these professionals

refusing to work on Sundays. "It's against my religion to work on Sundays" :sarcasm:

[SacredCow]

7. It certainly opens doors....

Remember a while back, when there was a controversy of a grocery store checker who was Muslim and said that it was against her religion to ring up pork products? The Freepers whined and cried at how the Muslins were taking over murrika, and if she didn't want to touch pork, by GAWD she should just get another job! But somehow, that doesn't apply here- I wonder why? :eyes:

[blondeatlast]

6. Psst: leeches are still being used, but otherwise, what you said. nt

[SacredCow]

8. Well, yeah- for certain things....

but bloodletting as a cure for the vapors has been pretty well eliminated!

:hi:

[LynneSin]

20. So are maggots. That was an interesting special I watched about that

Seems like the use of Maggots can help with wound care especially with those who have circulatory issues including Diabetics.

Maggots only eat dead flesh so they clean up all the dead flesh and then the wound will heal up nicely. And it's easy to clean out the maggots once the job is done.

But hell, looking at it gave me the heebie-jeebies.

[blondeatlast]

21. My sister just retired from a county hospital pharmacy.

It was amazing to hear her tell of the things they perpetually stocked because other hospitals wouldn't, among them, maggots, leeches, IIRC, a few other critters too. And some of the stuff they used in the burn unit (this was Maricopa county Hospital, which has one of the premiere burn units in the country).

The leeches were used in amputations, I don't quite remember how.

[SacredCow]

22. I know they're used in limb re-attachments....

Say you cut your fingers off in a table saw, and the surgeons were able to re-attach them. They will put leeches on the ends of your fingers to draw blood through to promote the re-starting of proper circulation.

[blondeatlast]

28. That was it; I couldn't remember. What I do remember is the photo of

the live ones she showed me. They ALWAYS had a supply on hand at County knowing they would get the worst of the worst cases at any given time.

[krispos42]

9. I hope...

...that one Saturday, Jindal is running around Louisiana, busy mismanaging the state, and he drives up to a Burger King to grab a quick bite to eat.


He orders a Whopper with cheese combo meal, and the cashier on the other end of the microphone, an observant Jew, recognizes him and says "Sorry, Governor, it's against my religious principles to sell this to you. Mixing milk products and meat is against God's word which, as a devout Christian, you're no doubt aware of."


Then he drives off in a huff after cursing out the cashier and slams into another car. Shocked and injured, he calls 911 and is told that they're calling in an ambulance but it will take about an hour to get there. "Why?" he howls, clutching a shattered arm.

"Well, Governor, the nearest ambulance has two Jewish EMTs, and it's the Sabbath, so they're prohibited from driving it on Saturday. As a devout Christian, no doubt you're aware of this. However, they're only about a mile east of you if want to walk over to them. Or crawl, as the case may be."

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

14. wish I could recommend your post

Brilliant analogy!

[krispos42]

17. Thanks

I probably should have put some other religions in there, but I'm not knowledgable enough to do so. Like a surgeon from that Christian sect that doesn't believe in medicine. Or Jindal trying to get some a barbeque pork sandwich from a Muslim. Or a good old witch doctor chanting and beating a drum for five hours in his hopital room to drive away evil spirits. ("I'm sorry, Governor, he's the on-call doctor and he's following his religious practices. More incense?")

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

23. tee hee!

Yep, put in the Christian Scientist Doctor, and the Voodoo Priest, who would, no doubt, have helpers dancing and joining in on the chants. You could also have Jindal stopping at the local convenience store just at time of Salat (prayer) when, of course, it would be closed.

[me b zola]

27. +1

:applause:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

10. I guess that means if one's "church"

says "Islam is evil", then they have the right to refuse to treat Muslims. Or if their church says "God Hates F--", then they are off the hook treating gay or lesbian people. And then, racists could always say the reason they let the black man who was involved in a car accident bleed to death was because of "religious reasons."

[ThirdWorldJohn]

11. So let the churches write the laws. n/t

[napi21]

12. I don't have a problem with that ruling. Other than PD's no lawyer is

forced to take a case they, for what ever reason, they won't or can't defend. No accounting firm is forced to take a client. I believe there will be enough medical personnel to handle the demand for sbortions, & emergency contraception to handle the demand. As to stem cell research, that's a very unique area of medicine. I can't believe anyone would go into that kind of research who had objections to using embryonic stem cells! As to euthanasia, it think tht's a completely different topic.

[SacredCow]

15. I'm more concerned about where the ball goes....

Now that Jindal has started rolling it down the hill. NOW it's abortions, emergency contraception, etc... But what's next?

AND.... How is it OK for SOME people to refuse to do their job on moral/religious grounds but not others? I guarantee you that if I converted to the ways of the Amish and told my boss that I could no longer work with electronic gadgetry, my ass would be let go immediately and I would have no recourse.

[napi21]

25. That's true, but apparently electrohnic gagetry is a core part of your job.

I cna tell you that one of my employers exempted the S. baptists who refused to work Sundays, from ever having to work sundays. (That really surprised me!) They also let them do jobs only on the mfg. floor and not climb the vat ladders because the women were mandated to wear dresses and climbing the ladders would enable the male workers....well you know.

I don't know how many employers make allowances like that.

The supermarket chain my husband worked for also would schedule employees off on Wed. evenings because that's when the S. Baptists go to church!

[SacredCow]

26. I've been in such a situation....

I used to work retail (in a bike store), and the store was open from 1pm to 5pm on Sunday- JUST enough to mess up your day, but not enough to make some money to balance it out. One of my co-workers was a fundie Christian, and attended church for damn near the whole day. He bitched enough until he became exempt from working on Sundays. Me, OTOH- I did not attend church at the time, but it was the only day I had where I could go see my family. But when I asked for Sundays off, I was usually turned down because "Well, we HAVE to let Derrick off every Sunday because he's at church."

Needless to say, there was bad blood between Derrick and I. Just because he went to some over-the-top church, his schedule was prioritized over mine? I called bullshit and turned in my 2 weeks notice. Since I was the only decent mechanic AND sales person they had at the time (and Derrick couldn't change a tire if his life depended on it), they had to re-negotiate.

Bottom line- if your personal life (and your religion IS your personal life) interferes with your livelihood, then it's NOT up to your employer to make concessions. If they choose to- great! But having a law that allows people to cast personal judgement (in what is supposed to be a professional setting) on people opens some big cans of worms.

[dixiegrrrrl]

16. Trust me...this makes Wal-Mart pharmacy happy happy.

and Wal-Mart is introducing walk in medical clinics. Doc in a Box.
I can't see them turning away ANY business.

[Fire1]

18. If you believe that's all it will cover, I've got a bridge..............

This is a nice neat package of justifiable discrimination. There's no longer a need for affirmative action, either! We've come ALONG WAY, BABY!!!:nuke:

[Hutzpa]

24. This should be classified as

DISCRIMINATION or PREJUDICE, which is I would think is prohibited
under civil rights act.