Arizona takes giant steps backward

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-13-arizona-guns_N.htm

Arizona to permit handguns in bars


Arizonans with concealed weapons permits will be allowed to take a handgun into bars and restaurants that serve alcohol under a bill signed Monday by Gov. Jan Brewer.
The measure, backed by the National Rifle Association, will require bar and restaurant owners who want to ban weapons on the premises to post a no-guns sign next to the business' liquor license.

Drinking while carrying a weapon would be illegal.

Before a compromise reached late in the Legislature's regular session, the measure pitted powerful groups representing gun and bar owners against each other.
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http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/07/14-3


Arizona Governor Approves Abortion Constraints


Republican Gov. Jan Brewer on Monday set a new course from her Democratic predecessor on the issue of abortion, signing a measure imposing new mandates and restrictions.

One of the bill's provisions is a requirement that those who visit an abortion provider wait 24 hours before getting an abortion. The visit would have to include disclosures by doctors in person about the procedure, risks and alternatives, and the fetus' probable characteristics.

Also, an existing law on parental approval for minors seeking to end pregnancies would be toughened. In addition, pharmacists and other health care providers will be able to refuse to hand out emergency contraception on moral or religious grounds.
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a few more of the giant steps backward Ariz. will look like Afghanistan

what is it? they have watched too many Hollywood cowboy movies (guns) listened to too many religiously insane preachers (abortion) ??

[47of74]

1. Thank you very much, President Obama

Next time see if there's any reich wingers waiting in the wings before you tap someone to take a job.

[Tansy_Gold]

2. Oh, wait, you can't blame Obama!!! I tried that yesterday.

:sarcasm:

to be fair, half the blame lies with Napolitano. She didn't HAVE to go and leave us with Brewer.



Tansy Gold, who is not likely to ever set foot in a bar in Arizona again but then she hasn't been in one in probably a year or so anyway so it's no great loss to the bar owners.

[Xenotime]

3. That's too bad. I hope that we can force something through nation-wide...

that would counter act this.

[slackmaster]

5. The federal government has no authority to do that

It is and will always be a state issue.

[Xenotime]

25. Not if we can repeal the 2nd amendment

[slackmaster]

28. Just 13 state legislatures can block a Constitutional amendment

That is why the Second Amendment, the Electoral College, and many other things will never be repealed even if a majority of the people want to.

[slackmaster]

4. Key sentence for those who missed it - "Drinking while carrying a weapon would be illegal."

As it was under the previous law, and has been for a long time.

[closeupready]

8. Also missed, bars can still refuse to serve those with weapons.

they need merely post a sign indicating this next to the liquor license.

[Lautremont]

12. Would you refuse a drink to a guy with a gun?

The point of carrying around a gun is to have more power at your disposal, including the power to get a drink when you want one.

[closeupready]

14. Is that a serious question? Um, yes, if the sign says no, then you don't get a drink.

If what you are asking is if someone pointed a gun at me and ordered me to get them a drink, would I do it, of course.

[michreject]

16. Well you're clueless

Where did you get your talking points, McCarthy?

[slackmaster]

18. That makes about as much sense as the paranoid idea that armed airline pilots might shoot up planes

The kind of incident you depict would be classified as a "robbery". You seem to have a jaundiced view of people who have passed the state's qualifications for a concealed-weapons permit.

[Lautremont]

30. I'm not saying he wouldn't pay for the drink.

[slackmaster]

44. This sub-thread reminds me of a cowboy joke

A cowboy went into a saloon to quench his thirst.

A big, tough-looking man wearing a black hat put an open bottle of whisky on the bar. He pulled out his gun, pointed it at the cowboy, and said "I want you to take a drink of this whisky, stranger!"

The cowboy complied.

He gagged as he swallowed the rotgut, and said to the man with the gun "That's the worst goddamn whisky I've ever tasted!"

The man in the black hat lowered his gun, and handed it to the cowboy and said "Here, point the gun at me. I want a drink!"

[Kali]

48. ...

:spray:
I've had some booze that could have used that kind of help.

[ProudDad]

33. Oooooooooooooh That'll stop 'em (n/t)

[slackmaster]

45. As if the old law would stop someone who was willing to break it

This change won't make any difference at all.

[Hutzpa]

6. I wouldn't blame the President

but the people of Arizona, they nominated this guy as a Lt.Gov. and should have
known about his douchebaggery.

[DesertRat]

24. Brewer is a woman and AZ doesn't have a Lt. Governor position

She was Sec. of State who succeeded Gov. Janet Napolitano when President Obama tapped her for his cabinet.

These kinds of bills have routinely been passed and vetoed by Napolitano over the years. I do blame the president and Secy. Napolitano who knew of the majority right wing legislature here.

Governor Brewer also has the distinction of being the only U.S. governor who did not go to college.

[Hutzpa]

27. oops, my badness

totally screwed up on that one, all the same, they should have expected this from
her, I'm sure she must have shown some inclination as to how she would govern.

Did not go to college Dayuum! I feel sorry for the people of Arizona already, the
Republicans would be running rings around her for the rest of her term.

[Redneck Socialist]

7. Arizona will look like Afghanistan

Hyperbole much?

Most states in the country allow for concealed carry in establishments that serve alcohol. It's simply a non-issue. People who go to the trouble of getting a concealed carry permit aren't suddenly going to go crazy at the sight of a beer and start shooting the place up.

[slackmaster]

9. I think you need to consider one thing - Chuck-E-Cheese's Pizza Time Theater sells beer

If anything could drive a person to start shooting indiscriminately, the combination of that place's silly mechanical animated figures, noisy game machines, and screaming children would be it.

[Kali]

11. yeah but that could happen anyway

and it might be a public service

[closeupready]

15. lol

:rofl:

[Redneck Socialist]

13. LOL You may be right there

But I'm pretty sure a court would would rule those shootings justified. A jury of MY peers certainly would.

[Kali]

10. I don't care about the gun stuff, we all have 'em here, but the

abortion restrictions and not mentioned in the OP - new BS on helping migrants are certainly a step backwards for an already damn backwards place. (not in all ways, mind you - but those idiots that run things from Maricopa county - sheesh!)

[michreject]

17. How is this a bad thing?

This is legal in 38 states, and no problems.

[Terry in Austin]

19. In a well-armed bar

We might expect a vastly improved level of good manners...

B-)

[Bill_Henebrie]

20. Arizona is home of "The Flat Earth Society"

I Know, I live in Lake Havasu City Arizona.

80% of the voters here voted for Bush twice.
The Tea Bag party downtown was one of the biggest in
the USA. Our main street was overflowing with
Obama haters. It was unbelievable!

Arizona is truly a primitive backward oasis for
the right wing Luddites and Cretin's.

The gun carrying crazies are everywhere here.

Arizona is very backwards and proud of it!

[Catshrink]

36. I'm also a Zonie.

Mesa isn't as bad as Havasu -- mostly Libertarians and neoLibertarians here. I just hope the public remembers the Legislature's shenanigans in 16 months and that the Dems can come up with viable candidates.

edited for clarity.

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21. The sky is falling eveyone...

Quick... hide under the bed!



If AZ is taking a step backwards,I guess that means GA, LA, MI, MS, MO, NM, ND, SD, TX and WI are more advanced and/or progressive than the 38 states that do allow CCW wherever alcohol is consumed or sold (2 states do not allow any CCW)?

Of those 10, roughly half outright prohibit the practice, and the other half allow it with certain restrictions.

[ProudDad]

34. I don't care if this post does get shitcanned

You've got a FUCKED UP SIGLINE!!!

That Kalishnikitty bullshit is really fucked up and inflammatory!!!

But then, I suspect that's exactly how you mean it to be, inflammatory...

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Now go ahead and press alert...

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39. Dood...

are you off your meds or something?

"Inflammatory"?!?

How so?

Kids find K-Kitty cute and irresistible...

ProudDad

34. I don't care if this post does get shitcanned

Edited on Wed Jul-15-09 05:12 PM by ProudDad
You've got a FUCKED UP SIGLINE!!!

That Kalishnikitty bullshit is really fucked up and inflammatory!!!

But then, I suspect that's exactly how you mean it to be, inflammatory...

Saved for posterity.

Now go ahead and press alert...

Ahhh, that's not my style... your's maybe, but not mine.

Besides... I find your outburst and criticism highly amusing.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

22. 109 degrees predicted today in Phoenix

and 115 over the weekend.

[LWolf]

23. Oh, THAT'S a great combination.

Bars, alcohol, guns...

Of course, if you are carrying a gun you can't drink.

Which begs the question: why do you go to a bar to begin with?

[slackmaster]

29. You should read up on the subject - It's not just bars, but restaurants that serve alcohol too

People do go to bars as designated drivers, and there are many people who go out socializing with people but don't drink because of health reasons or personal issues.

[LWolf]

31. I've been known to go to bars

because kids aren't supposed to be there. Not for the alcohol, but for a place to get together with adults free of kids.

I like kids. I had 2 of my own. I have a grandson I go to "family" places with.

I'm also a teacher, and work all day long with everyone else's kids. There are times when I just want to be somewhere kids aren't.

Somehow, I don't think bars and restaurants are going to ask every person they serve if they are "carrying."

Not that asking would necessarily get them a truthful answer, lol.

Alcohol and guns are just a really bad combination, no matter which way you look at it.

[ProudDad]

35. You're assuming they don't drink...

And there was a companion piece of legislation that was pulled (to allow this one to pass) and that will probably be re-introduced next year (and pass) that would allow ANYONE to carry a concealed weapon anywhere in AZ.

This place is BAT-SHIT CRAZY!!!

[LWolf]

38. I think I'll just stay here

in the pacific northwest. Arizona is way too hot for me in July, anyway.

While we have a lot of gun enthusiasts in my area, it's all about hunting, not carrying.

I just stay out of the woods during hunting season.

[aikoaiko]

41. Listen to music, hang out with friends, etc.

[bushmeister0]

26. Of course no concealed weapons in the AZ legislature or Gov's mansion.

Or in the halls of congress. What's good for the geese is good for the gander, I say. If these gun loving politicians want everyone armed to the teeth because it makes things so much safer, then I should be able to carry a gun into any public building I want to. I could just as easily be shot in congress -- as Tom DeLay almost was once -- so I need to be able to defend myself.

[ProudDad]

32. I blame Janet Napolitano

for abandoning us for that phony job as "Fatherland Security Fuhrer"!!!

Screw HER!!!!!

[marmar]

37. Mix my Whiskey Sour just right.......OR ELSE !!!!

:nuke:


Seriously, do people need to carry their guns EVERYWHERE?

[slackmaster]

46. People have lots of reasons for getting concealed weapons permits

Some may actually have a need that you would regard as legitimate, but that's not really important.

[aikoaiko]

40. ONOZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure all the other states that allow concealed carry in bars are already looking like some war zone? or not.

[conscious evolution]

42. I was a bouncer/doorman for a bar

in Arizona way back when.
You know how some bars have coat and hat check? We had a gun check.
The first night I worked the door I flipped out when people started handing me guns and asking for a reciept.The boss laughed his ass off at me.

[Kali]

43. hahaha

funny. where was this?

[conscious evolution]

47. Prescott

NOLA's

[callous taoboy]

49. As someone who got wrongly accused of something at a bar one night,

this is fucked up. Identical incident in AZ could get me shot.

[lonestarnot]

50. ASU and the foregone honorary doctorate too, so we're still the pickininee state, Ev Mecham fuckrods