"Mandate"??

[SHRED]

The private health insurance vipers must be ecstatic.

:mad:

Congress: Of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporate bottom line.

Only about 1/4 are worth a shit.

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[NightWatcher]

1. now we're going to be fined if we dont buy what the Corpos are selling

I doubt the public option will be worth a damn. I'm afraid we are screwing ourselves

[upi402]

2. from Kucinich email:

"In mid-May, in an effort to reach consensus, President Obama secured a deal with the health insurance companies to trim 1.5% of their costs each year for ten years saving a total of $2 trillion dollars, which would be reprogrammed into healthcare. Just two days after the announcement at the White House the insurance companies reneged on the deal which was designed to protect and increase their revenue at least 35%

The insurance companies reneged on the deal because they refuse any restraint on increasing premiums, copays and deductibles - core to their profits. No wonder a recent USA Today poll found that only four percent of Americans trust insurance companies. This is within the margin of error, which means it is possible that NO ONE TRUSTS insurance companies..."

[Cleita]

3. The mandate is a mistake. Health care security shouldn't be tied to

employment. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a P/R tax for health care, but it shouldn't matter where you work to be taxed and to receive it. It does place a huge burden on small businesses IMHO.

[wroberts189]

11. thank you. nt

[DireStrike]

4. And if you can't afford it?

Debtors' prison!

[scarletwoman]

5. Are there not poorhouses? (nt)

[Laelth]

6. Schumer says the insurance companies get 40 mil. new customers.

I saw that here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6075750

:dem:

-Laelth

[Laelth]

7. Just so you know, the Progressive Caucus is opposed to this bill.

I saw that here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6076998

:dem:

-Laelth

[regnaD kciN]

8. Not exactly...

The Progressive Caucus list is a pledge to oppose any "weak" health-care bill without a "robust public option." Even those bills with a public option would include a mandate requiring everyone to obtain insurance. BTW, the House bill (almost certainly the most progressive one that will be proposed) has its public option with premiums costing individuals $5,000/year and families $10,000/year the first year, with that amount to increase each year based on inflation.

None of the bills is single-payer, which is what I suspect the OP wants when they proclaim their opposition to "mandates."

[Laelth]

9. I am aware that single-payer is not on the table.

But the U.K. has a public option without a mandate to buy any insurance. That's what I would prefer ... a public option funded entirely from tax revenues. Of course, a plan like this isn't "on the table" either. It should be. If it's not, I'd rather have nothing than a bad bill that further enriches the insurance industry.

I have no idea what the OP would prefer.

:dem:

-Laelth

[Maru Kitteh]

10. Just what is your REALISTIC alternative? 95% of DU agrees that single payer is best BUT IT'S NOT

GOING TO HAPPEN right now. It'll be a damn miracle if we get any healthcare relief passed at all. Most of us know that too.

My daughters work full time but have no health care at all. If they get cancer, they die. I know many here think that we should all be martyrs for purity - but fuck that shit. I want people to live. I want my daughters to live.