These assholes want to appeal their conviction...I say they should fry NOW...REad on

[greenbriar]

I am not usually for the death penalty but these two deserve it like yesterday



they killed 4 people after holding them hostage and raping them and beating a dog with a golf club and driving them to an ATM and forcing them to withdraw all their money then drove them naked to a field shot them execution style...one lived and ran 2 miles naked in the snow for help.


This is after they tried to steal a college baseball player' s car then they stole a woman's car after they shot her and drug her out of the car..

so that is a total of 5 deaths at their hands


Reginald had some kind of VD disease and gave it to the lone surviver for a permanent reminder of her most horrible night

http://www.wichita-massacre.com/





http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=10733186&nav=menu486_2_1

[Blue_Tires]

1. they are not getting a new trial...

just a bored attorney with nothing else to do...

[mike_c]

2. until we achieve a justice system that can never make mistakes...

...I'll oppose state murder, no matter what the crime. Not even in cases like this, which then serve to legitimize less certain applications of the death penalty.

Further, revenge is not justice-- it's just ugly revenge. There must be a better way.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

12. +1....There must be a better way.

[NNN0LHI]

3. Found too many innocent people on the Illinois Death Row for me to ever be for it

Like over half.

13 out of 25 were found factually innocent.

Don

[greenbriar]

7. true, but in THIS case there is NO question

the proof is in the woman who lived and ran 2 miles in the snow and recounted EVERYTHING within the hour to make DAMN sure she got them


Also the baseball player lived to be an eye witness


also the VD that reginald gave HG is a permanent reminder

[NNN0LHI]

13. I don't care

The 13 that were found innocent here didn't get off on technicalities. The were factually innocent.

If that isn't enough to be against even having the death penalty for someone they have a screw loose.

Don

[EOTE]

21. +1.

As soon as you allow for the death penalty, you allow for atrocious abuses of it as in the case of what happened in Illinois. Until there is a way to implement the death penalty perfectly without even the chance of anyone innocent being sent to death, it needs to be done away with.

[rd_kent]

4. Due Process

I think that their appeal needs to be head, but after that, off they go tot he chair. What a brutal, brutal crime. I am very surprised I have no heard of this.

[Tim01]

5. Gross. Execute them.

I guess that was Kansas? I've sued to live near there.

[greenbriar]

8. to me it was worse than the BTK case

and a buddy of ours worked at the prison and they are just a cocky and have attitude in prison


that is after they cried the first week

[greenbriar]

9. they are truly dispicable

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/carr_brothers/4.html

[MADem]

6. Aren't appeals pretty much automatic for death penalty cases?

The wheels of the gods grind slowly, and all that...

[Oregone]

10. "I am not usually for the death penalty but..."

How cliche. This view is almost becoming a joke. The ability to make exceptions is very much pro-death-penalty (which is merely an exceptionally rare punishment)

[greenbriar]

11. okay...I am for the death penalty when the crimes are this heinous

and absolute

[Oregone]

15. Then you are absolutely pro death penalty

Might as well not co-opt a group you really don't agree with.

Most everyone pro death penalty only want to reserve it for "heinous" crimes (everyone has their own definitions of that).

[greenbriar]

18. fine I will go you one further, in this case, I say string them up in the town square

and sell tickets for a chance to inflict pain


I would buy some!

These guys have absolutely NO regard for any human life


read the story


I knew the teacher and his girl

This crime was so horrible and gripped our city WORSE than BTK

I would push the needle myself if possible

[Oregone]

20. The irony

"I say string them up in the town square..."

"and sell tickets for a chance to inflict pain

I would buy some!

These guys have absolutely NO regard for any human life"


Look, the thing is, you have an emotional response to the extent of the crime (you are emotionally involved). You are a person who s human. There is nothing wrong with people wanting to harm others that do this. Its pretty natural. If someone killed my family member, they should hope the police find them before I do. But, thats where it stops.

Governments aren't suppose to be as emotional as a heart-broken teenage girl. They aren't supposed to sanction murder because the details of the crime make their pretty faux Athenian statues puke. The human response is clearly obvious, but the government response, as a structure institution, is suppose to exist to help us be better than ourselves.

[greenbriar]

24. and don't lecture me on irony...when on this same page someone wants to put a teen in an oven

the same way she did a kitten...


what if I had just posted about them beating the dog with a golf club and then stabbing it with an ice pick...


would those same people that said an eye for an eye say that about this case?

[Oregone]

25. I just don't think public torture & execution shows any more regard for human life either

To each their own.

[EOTE]

29. I'm not sure if you know what irony means.

I've searched this thread and I can't find a single comment about anyone wanting to put a teen in an oven. And even if someone did make a stupid comment like that, it would simply be stupid and cruel, not ironic. It would be ironic if that person who suggested the teen goes in the oven then claimed to be pro-life, anti-death penalty or somehow had a deathly aversion to ovens.

[greenbriar]

30. what ever I will NOT apologize for my feelings over this case. They deserve the needle like YESTERD

NashVegas (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-16-09 09:28 AM
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1. Sometimes
I think capital punishment could be an act of mercy.
http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/
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3. Maybe there was something to that "eye for an eye". Cruelty to animals
is an indication of a sociopath capable of more unspeakable acts of cruelty.
Hope for the best; plan for the worst.

[EOTE]

33. Who's asking you to apologize?

I'm simply calling a spade a spade. As for that other stuff you included in your post, I have no idea what you're trying to say by that.

[EOTE]

22. So pro death penalty AND pro torture.

How very civil of you. Yes these brothers are filth and not even fit to be called human. Yes their crimes were heinous and I feel sick to my gut having heard of them. But do you really think the country benefits from allowing such practices as torture and the death penalty?

[Oregone]

23. And the best part: "These guys have absolutely NO regard for any human life"

Kinda leaves your head spinning

[EOTE]

28. So let's kill 'em all!!

Not before we torture them, of course. How else can we show how much we respect human life?

[lpbk2713]

14. The defense is just extending their time above ground.

There's not much else the defense can do.

[greenbriar]

16. Holly lived ... probably due to a little butterfly clip that was in her hair

The gun fired again and H.G. felt a bullet slam into her head. She remembered that her mind went kind of gray with white like stars but she was not knocked unconscious. Someone kicked her from behind and she fell forward. She lay in the snow, pretending to be dead in the hope that they would not hurt her anymore.

The truck started and ran over the victims. H.G. suffered its terrible impact but still did not lose consciousness. Then she heard the truck start yet again and believed from the way the sound traveled that it was leaving the area. She turned her head slightly and saw that she was correct

[greenbriar]

17. Holly did all of this naked in freezing weather

As she raced toward the Christmas lights, she saw car headlights and immediately dove into the frigid blanket of snow because she feared it might be the attackers. Every time she saw headlights, she flung herself to the ground, waited, then got back up to run toward those beckoning lights.

H.G. got to a fence and climbed over it. She crossed a highway that was almost empty due to the hour. Then she climbed over another fence and found herself on a dirt road that appeared to be behind a subdivision. She got to the back of a home, then raced around to the front door and repeatedly rang the doorbell and pounded on the door.

[Spider Jerusalem]

19. Life in solitary confinement with no chance of parole would be a better punishment.

If you truly think that people like this deserve to suffer for the brutality of their crimes, then execution is merciful in comparison to never again drawing a breath of free air.

[mitchum]

26. We need a DP moratorium in this country, but not until after these motherfuckers are executed

Off of the planet with that breathing garbage

[greenbriar]

27. Kansas hasn't used the DP since like the 1960's these mother fuckers

will continue to live on MY dime until they are old and grey and reliving the memories of their crime for years to come...probably getting off on them nightly

[mitchum]

32. In that case, they sound like wonderful candidates for receiving photographs...

of
beautiful outdoor vistas
busy and exciting city streets
peaceful places
delicious food unavailable to them in prison
etc


I don't believe in physical torture

[cali]

31. I wish pro-death penalty folks would stop saying

that they're against the dp. If you support the dp even only for certain crimes, you're pro-dp.

[surrealAmerican]

34. We do not need to sink to the level of these criminals ...

... in order to have a just society. Our brutality towards criminals, even truly horrific ones like these, only serves to increase the violence in our country.

[cali]

39. say what? I'm opposed to the DP, no exceptions but supporting the DP

in this case is hardly sinking to the level of these vile beings.

[DefenseLawyer]

35. Everyone has a right to an appeal following trial.

Sorry to disappoint you.

[Douglas Carpenter]

36. these kind of cases make me said and depressed and truly boggle my mind

I sometimes try to understand the motives for heinous crimes, simply because such crimes simply don't compute with anything I can even imagine.

I can imagine how someone wrapped up into the world of robbery or hard drug dealing might find themselves party to murder in an atmosphere where murder kind of goes with the territory. I can imagine how a deeply confused person who lives in their own tortured world can fall into a trap of distorted thinking that could lead to violence, perhaps even murder. I can imagine how someone who feels deeply victimized could fall into a violent fit of vengefulness which might lead some on the extreme end to murder. I can imagine how in a moment of total distress and overcome with anger and grief someone might commit the act of murder.

But this kind of murder truly confounds any ability I have to understand the motive. It is beyond anything I can even begin to imagine. I simply cannot imagine the motive.

A problem with the death penalty and saying that we will only use it if we are "absolutely certain", is that being convinced to a moral certainty and beyond a reasonable doubt is already the legal standard. Yet we have found several cases of where people have been on death row and who were and are factually innocent. It has happened a lot as we know from numerous studies.

When we hear of such heinous crimes as described here, is anger and a call for revenge the only emotional response available? Is not sadness and grief a more appropriate emotional response?

[dysfunctional press]

37. lock'em up for life.

i don't support the death penalty for anything.

[flvegan]

38. Is that site trying to profit off selling the transcript?

Really.

Anyway, I'm against the death penalty for any reason. It's revenge, not punishment.

[endarkenment]

40. blind world syndrome

An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind - M Gandhi

[noamnety]

41. I'm sorry you support the death penalty.

"We convinced ourselves we had to kill them to survive, even when that wasn't true, but something inside us told us that so long as they were human beings, with the same intrinsic value we had as human beings, we were not allowed to ... kill them.

... That's the thing you might not get until it's too late. When you take away the humanity of another, you kill your own humanity."

-- Stan Goff