Grassley, you demagogic motherfucker ......

[Stinky The Clown]

..... you say that if we get this health care bill, the "problem" is that everyone will opt into it, leaving the insurance companies out of it.

That is bad ...... why?

If everyone opts into it, isn't that because they see it as a BETTER plan?

Fuck you, you right wing tool.

And learn how to talk. You annoy the shit out of me.

[Hepburn]

1. Oh, yeah.....

....K&R!!!! :applause:

[izquierdista]

2. Wait a few minutes

This is the scene where the robot can't process conflicting statements, so the smoke starts to come out of its ears.

"If it's a better plan, then everyone will opt into it, but it can't be better because government IS the problem, so any government plan is worse than private insurance, but then no one would opt for it....does not compute...error....error...error...Daisy, daisy,..."

[CanonRay]

3. What pissed me off was him spouting the usual lies about the Canadian system.

The people there love it.

[sharesunited]

9. Never met a Canadian who wasn't grateful for Health Canada.

And who didn't pity the People of the USA because of our national burden of for-profit health care propagandists.

[burning rain]

4. Why on earth would everyone opt into the government plan....

if the private sector does everything better? The lesson for today, children, is that Republicans don't even believe their bullshit.

[krispos42]

5. They refuse to say that health insurance is a mature industry

Void of all innovation except how not to pay off claims.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6075057&mesg_id=6075057



It's simple; government can't compete in a segment of the ecnomy where innovation is the norm. And private corporations can't compete in a mature industry where innovation is virturally non-existant.


The fact that the private health insurance companties can't compete means their economic segment is stagnant, and as such should be a solid, stable, low-profit business with modest exectutive salaries... like producing nails, or paper clips, computer keyboards, batteries, or office paper.


It's artificially kept from being that by monopolistic practices and gross over-complication of the process.



The cel phone industry requires constant innovation. The drinking-water industry... not so much.

Filter water. Chlorinate water. Pump water to water tower. Repeat.

If your local water company was increasing rates at 12% a year and paying the CEO $10 million a year base salary... somethings wrong.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. Excellent points you make!!!!

[Enthusiast]

12. There are evil ones

out there with designs on the water supply, believe it.

[glarius]

6. His repeated lies about the Canadian health care are disgusting!

Over and over I hear the Republicans going on about the "terrible system in Canada" and how we are practically dying in the streets for lack of care. This is ridiculous! Here is a post I made in answer to a request a couple of years ago:

The Truth about health care in Canada (by request)

I received a message in my inbox asking me to do a post about the state of health care in Canada.....Here's is what I can tell you:
This is a big country, and you can find people to say just about anything with regards to just about everything...So you will find people who (for whatever reason) will say that our health care system is causing people to die in the streets for lack of care...This is ludicrous...I have heard or read things said by people advocating for privatization of our health care system, that
are completely false..I can tell you that in my family, my husband had care from one of the top heart specialists in the world (he's in Toronto), and successful and timely cataract surgery....We do have to wait for elective surgery, but I've never heard of anyone dying for needed surgery...You already know about our drugs and the vast difference in prices here and in your country...I have heard American politicians on TV say things in order to scare the American public....They say we don't have a choice in the doctor we want...FALSE...We choose our own....I myself have changed doctors in the past several years...And all Canadians have access to all specialists, treatments, and surgery.....They say the Government runs health care and makes all the decisions...Again FALSE....The doctors and hospitals run things and send the bills to the government for payment...Period...The most recent poll I know of on the subject shows that (I forget the exact amount) somewhere between 90% to 95% of Canadians want to keep our present system.....We aren't perfect and can certainly be improved, and the government has recently done a study and as a result is putting more money into the system, but I honestly wish the good people of your country would have the benefit of a similar system....By the way, during the last few days I saw in the news the case of the American man who accidentally shot himself in the head with a nail gun...They said he has no insurance and is stuck with a bill of $100,000....That is insane.....Anyway, I've gone on long enough about
this....Don't let anyone convince you Canadians want to go to privatization....It's just not true.....Good luck...

P.S...In a big country like this, there are bound to occasionally be people who slip through the cracks for some reason or other...So I'm sure there will be some who will have a story to tell of a failure...

[Ikonoklast]

7. Republicans love their version of the 'Free Market'.

Unless it runs their contributors out of business, then they are all for 'Fair Trade'.

If the Public Option is a better health delivery system, then the insurance companies will have to compete with it in order to survive.

If they cannot compete, they should FAIL.

That is Capitalism, and the Invisible Hand at work.

[bullwinkle428]

8. The Iowa-based health insurance companies won't be lining his pockets any more!

See? Just follow the money!

[Mz Pip]

10. I thought it would be

so bad and poorly run that it wouldn't solve any of our healthcare problems.

I wish they would make up their minds. :eyes:

[mzmolly]

13. Gosh, and here I thought that the Free Market was soooo superior to the Gubment

that we should let them do EVERYTHING better. So much for that argument...

[progressoid]

14. He's even more annoying when he's your senator.

I get pissed off every time I call his office. Even his staff are dipshits.

[OneBlueSky]

15. ever notice that some of the lowest forms of pond scum reside . . .

in the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives? . . . must be something about these institutions that attracts the dregs of society to their august chambers . . . and the ones who aren't lowlifes when they arrive (with few exceptions) generally don't waste much time finding their way to the inner sanctums of power -- otherwise known as our National Shithouse . . .