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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:40 AM
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Catherine Crabill, VA GOP Candidate: We May Have To "Resort To The Bullet Box"
Catherine Crabill, the Republican Party's nominee for Virginia's 99th District in the House of Delegates, gave a speech at a recent political event suggesting that Second Amendment rights could be used to defend the anti-tax Tea Party movement. The strange assertion was picked up by Virginia political blogger Not Larry Sabato.

"We have the chance to fight this battle at the ballot box before we have to resort to the bullet box," Crabill said. "That's the beauty of our Second Amendment rights ... Our Second Amendment rights were to guard against tyranny."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paeuC-i8E1o



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/16/catherine-crabill-va-gop_n_235459.html

This shit is waaaaaaay past being amusing.
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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:41 AM
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1. The worst part is that 20-30% of the population think this way. n/t
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:45 AM
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2. Meet Catherine Crabill.
Edited on Thu Jul-16-09 10:48 AM by no_hypocrisy
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:45 AM
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3. That is shocking.
Who would have thought an Obama presidency would be pushing them over the edge like this.

I'm actually glad they are becoming more vocal and identifying themselves.

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:47 AM
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4. Does she have a strong Dem opponent?

I agree... This crap is getting out of hand. Empowered ignorance is not a laughing matter.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 01:53 PM
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17. I think so. A guy named Albert Pollard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_C._Pollard

The 99th District is made up from five or so counties in the Northern Neck, which is neither northerly nor neck-like. It extends roughly east of the I-95 corridor between Fredericksburg and Richmond. I know that the waterfront property along the Bay was highly coveted during the housing bubble, so it's probably feeling the effects of that crash.

Many of the wealthiest residents in that district do not have residency established there, as the Northern Neck is the site of their second homes. The second-homeless, and those in the process of losing their only homes, probably have strong feelings about what has happened recently.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:48 AM
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5. DUPE.... Sorry for the double post
Edited on Thu Jul-16-09 10:48 AM by hlthe2b
I agree... This crap is getting out of hand. Empowered ignorance is not a laughing matter.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:50 AM
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6. There is no moral outrage to ferment revolt from their group.
They might have a few crazy people, but those people would do crazy things anyway.

But real revolt, or standing up for things takes courage, and courage takes thought.

Blowing off some steam on a web site, then going to work and complaining can be done with no thought. But if they actually had to put something they owned on the line, if they actually transitioned to 'nothing to lose', they would have to think on it. They would have to think alot. And that kind of thing takes more then anger it takes moral outrage, and moral outrage for the most part is against their views. And if they stop and think they realize that, so they have no way to build a momentum for a revolution.

And for many on that side the general belief in materialism goes against 'nothing to lose'.

However people with no morals can do that with manipulation and self gain reasons. For instance a few that think they deserve advantage can make moral outrage for being treated like everyone else, but even they have usually taken some time to think about it, they just know they are wrong, and don't care. Because they think they are better.

So if the freepers had a revolution they would be cannon fodder for a few people, like they tried to do with tea parties.

Many crazies that do bad have some perception that gave them moral outrage, even if wrong. And even things like false flag attacks get engineered to create moral outrage. And the reason peaceful movements win is not violence, it is moral outrage, because they are in the right.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:50 AM
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7. Overthrow the Constitution and see your 2nd Amendment evaporate.
They really don't get it, do they? Do they think their guns will keep them free? Are they sure they want to go down this road? Because the next tyrant who has more firepower won't have a Constitution or a 2nd Amendment to worry about. Idiots.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 01:43 PM
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16. Must be the water...
This sounds like the classic chest-thumping, tribal nonsense all under-powered groups need to go through to find enough artificial courage to get themselves to live up to their own horseshit.

That's all fine and dandy when they're just out plinking cans and pretending they're picking off federales. But they get delusional in a hurry.

They actually try to convince themselves that a bunch of aggrieved rednecks with firing pins modified for full-automatic are going to go toe to toe with, say, a modern US Army tank unit with full helicopter support, superior communications, satellite surveillance, endless backup -- and come out of the experience with much less than a 100 percent casualty rate.

And if the regular Army can't or won't do the job, there's always Blackwater mercs aplenty (now rebranded as "Xe," whatever the hell that's supposed to mean), well-equipped and frothing at the mouth for a little more high-paid action, their jesus-freak lunatic GOPer CEO buying land and setting up training facilities all over the place.

What a country...


sf
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:55 AM
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8. Koresh, Weaver, McVeigh
all felt similarly.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:58 AM
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9. According to her website, liberals/activists are to be feared because of these traits:

"EGO ("reaching for the highest level for which man can reach — to create, to be a 'great creator,' to play God"),

CURIOSITY (raising "questions that agitate, that break through the accepted pattern"),

IRREVERENCE ("nothing is sacred"; the organizer "detests dogma, defies any finite definition of morality"),

IMAGINATION("the fuel for the force that keeps an organizer organizing"),

SENSE OF HUMOR ("the most potent weapons known to mankind are satire and ridicule"), and an

organized personality with CONFIDENCE in presenting the right reason for his actions only "as a moral rationalization after the right end has been achieved.'... "


I can't imagine NOT valuing these qualities. What a boring and static society we would have without them.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:08 AM
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12. wha........?????
:wtf:

Those are "bad traits"? What does she consider "good traits"? Mind-numbing stupidity?
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:12 PM
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22. Hey! I'm a liberal!
And, I would add, with the exception of the first item, the opposite of that list is a right-wing authoritarian:

INCURIOUS (a.k.a. "stupid"): G. W. Bush required complex issues to be summarized in one page, with bullet points. Rarely did he demonstrate command of the facts or an ability to re-state the problem. RWAs routinely think they have better knowledge of a subject than others, when in fact they are often even more misinformed, thanks to the propaganda sources on which they rely for their news.

REVERENCE: RWAs never question the infallibility of their leadership, even when that leader is an incurious moron like George Bush. They are extremely hostile to attacks on their world view, and when the truth cuts too deep, some of them pick up their guns to defend their fantasies.

LACK OF IMAGINATION: RWAs seek out an authority they trust to tell them what to think. They lack refined problem-solving skills and gravitate toward the bad information when offered a choice between a Republican lie and the truth.

HUMOR IMPAIRED: All of you know this, because all of you have dealt with it. RWAs appear to have an inability to recognize satire and sarcasm, have difficulty understanding the concepts of analogies and metaphors, and are unfamiliar with irony. If they were familiar with irony, they would hang their heads in shame.

Conservative humor comes in just a few flavors, the primary one being the ridicule of social out-groups. Studies show that when conservatives are asked to pick between two one-panel comics, one with someone saying something witty, and one with a guy stepping on a rake, they pick the rake most of the time.

FEAR: The primary motivator for RWAs is fear, especially fear of change. Karl Rove played them (and me, and a lot of the rest of us) for fools by ratcheting up the tension, and making the masses willing to give up any right and drop any line of inquiry for the illusion of safety.

http://terpconnect.umd.edu/~hannahk/bulletin.pdf
http://terpconnect.umd.edu/~hannahk/reply.pdf
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:01 AM
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10. She and the other wingnuts had best be careful what they ask for. . .
lest it blow back in their faces ten times over.

:evilfrown:
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:04 AM
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11. Not only Republics are armed, Sweetie.
You may just be surprised how many Democrats own and use firearms, and can shoot straight. They always seem to think they are the only ones that are armed in this country.

And my Second Amendment rights protect me against nutjob Christian-first idjits like you that would take them away from me.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:12 AM
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14. Armed and Liberal
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 05:52 PM
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29. She might also be surprised as to how many Democrats
She might also be surprised as to how many Democrats exercise and work out on a regular basis, and how many are probably physically stronger than the keyboard warriors on the right.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:10 AM
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13. So if she loses she supports armed insurrection?
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 12:28 PM
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15. Sounds like it, doesn't it?
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:35 PM
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23. Well, isn't that special. What a dick she is. Her political future is more
important than the constitution.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 01:57 PM
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18. Fuck your stupidity, crabby.
Demagoging because you're :scared: you can't win any other way.:scared:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:03 PM
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19. this whole 'tyranny' and 'tea party' rhetoric has LONG passed its sell-by date
the chest-puffing bravado and veiled hints at violent insurrection are empty talk and they know it...
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:08 PM
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20. That's a terroristic threat, not typical campaign rhetoric
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:47 PM
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25. If only someone would indict her for it.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:09 PM
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21. Fuck you, lady.
So if you don't get your way you'll just shoot everyone who doesn't agree with you? God fucking bless America!
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:38 PM
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24. "Insanity" seems to be Qualification #1 to hold public office as a Republican.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 04:44 PM
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26. Wow
I bet if a Dem said something like that, they'd at the very LEAST be put on a no-fly list, and possibly arrested.

But Republicans seem to get away with anything, like when Helms was kept on as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee despite threatening Clinton.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 08:45 PM
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28. "Republicans seem to get away with anything"
Yes they do.

Still.

Now.

With Dems "controlling" Congress and the White House.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 04:46 PM
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27. The Repugs seemingly have an endless supply of assholes to run for office.....
n/t
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