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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 05:41 PM
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Will Congress Ban States from Providing Healthcare?
The healthcare legislation under consideration in Congress would prevent states from improving on what Congress creates. An amendment is under consideration right now in a House committee that would change that, leaving the federal initiative as is but permitting states to do better. This battle pits states' rights against the much less spoken of insurance company rights. And it calls the bluff of every individual or group who opposes single-payer healthcare at the federal level on the grounds that it is not "viable." That argument would seem to provide no basis at all for denying states the right to create single-payer healthcare or any other solution they see fit.

In fact, the amendment now under consideration provides an opportunity for advocates of single-payer and proponents of a public-option compromise to join forces and work together in good faith against the forces of the insurance lobby. The amendment being considered in the House Subcommittee on Health, Employment, Labor, and Pensions, is offered by Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D., Ohio). The amendment gives states the right to pass and implement state-based single-payer plans and would ensure the federal rules waivers required to allow that innovation. If a public option at the federal level can move the nation over time to a single-payer solution (a big if), the example of states getting there first should offer no hindrance. In Canada, it was the example of provinces that moved the nation to the single-payer solution now in place.

Of course, there are those who argue against single-payer on the merits, rather than simply resigning themselves to its alleged lack of "viability." But none of those arguing against single-payer as expensive, inefficient, or heavy-handed have an obvious argument for denying states the right to choose it. They would argue against the wisdom of any state choosing it, but that is different from denying states the right to choose it by imposing a federal ban. In addition, of course, most arguments against single-payer (or a public option) on the merits are based on false information, which the American public does not accept. Americans consistently tell pollsters that they want public health coverage: http://tr.im/sENL . Hence the need felt by the insurance companies to ban states from providing health coverage: the residents of many, if not all, states want it.

Other nations that have public health coverage (government spending on private or public healthcare) provide their people with better care. The U.S. system is ranked 37th by the World Health Organization. The United States is 24th in life expectancy and 29th in reducing infant mortality. Infants who do not survive the US system do not get a chance to experience the joys for-profit healthcare.

A single-payer system would cover everyone at all times with no exceptions, allow completely free choice of doctors, invest in preventive care, and allow patients and doctors to make their own decisions free of insurance company restrictions. If enacted at the federal level, a single-payer system would eliminate huge inefficiencies. It would reduce the 30 percent waste in the current system to the 3 percent overhead in Medicare, and create a net gain of 2.6 million jobs, $317 billion in business revenue, and $100 billion in wages, according to a study by the California Nurses Association: http://tr.im/sETE . Enacting single-payer at the state level would not boost the state's economy to the same extent, but to a lesser and still significant degree it would be a stimulus, one that other states would take note of.

House Resolution 676, backed by 86 congress members, would create single-payer at the federal level. Congressman Anthony Weiner (D, N.Y.) is proposing an amendment in the House Energy and Commerce Committee that would substitute H.R. 676, for the proposed Tri-Committee legislation. Of course, this amendment deserves our support. But if it fails, there will be no excuse for not passing Congressman Kucinich's amendment permitting states to do what most other wealthy nations have found the decency to do at the national level. If Kucinich's amendment fails, the fault will not be the media's or political calculations or party discipline. The fault will be the extreme degree to which the health insurance companies own our federal government. And only those who supported this amendment ( http://tr.im/sHim ) should henceforth be permitted to speak of states' rights.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 06:06 PM
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1. If so, then Feds would take over medicaid and that would help all states particularly California. nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 06:52 PM
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2. I would love to see a list of "Democrats"...
...who oppose this amendment.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 06:57 PM
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3. I think they should adopt the Canadian model on this
Have a national, fully funded health care strategy, but allow the individual states to decide exactly HOW to implement each government plan.

And the national plan MUST have stringent rules. And if a state breaches those rules, the funding is withdrawn or clawed back.

But this is getting more and more complicated, especially with the proposal to introduce a "public option" which would co-exist with private plans. The possibilities and combinations would make things MORE complicated and thus more expensive to administer.

Individual single-payer for each state would be ideal. But that ain't gonna happen, is it?


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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 07:20 PM
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10. Dennis talked to Nicole Sandler on Thom Hartmann's show today about this...
Dennis got in just before the show closed and talked to Nicole (who was filling in for Thom today) the last minute or so of the show. He and she both noted that the Canadian model of what they had in place today started with each of their provinces locally growing this movement incrementally from the ground up until they got the national program they had now, so it is REALLY essential that this amendment passes.

Dennis urged everyone to call their congress person shortly to indicate you want this amendment to pass.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:06 PM
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15. California legislature already passed single payer twice, but Arnold wouldn't sign it
So yeah, it could happen unless they vote down this amendment.
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 07:01 PM
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4. Quality health care for those who live in TN & VA
As a former health care giver, I am shocked and saddened to see what has become of health care in America. $ 1. 4 million is being spent per day in DC by the health care lobbyists so your elected representative is getting taken care of and has quality health care we pay for and can't afford ourselves for our families, I know what is deemed, defended and supported in Tennessee and Virginia as quality health care and clearly profit care comes ahead of patient care. http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62 MRSA ( methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureas ) is infesting our communities because filthy, uncaring hospitals and emergency rooms are breeding them and spreading them into our schools, homes, restaurants. How many more Americans' will be diseased or die while 74 % of Americans' are begging for health care reform ? More people died in America last year from MRSA complications than AIDS. When MRSA and a flu bug start mixing, it won't be pretty and we are being infected by the very health care system we depend on and trust to keep us safe and healthy. If we had "the best health care" in the world then why does RAM ( Remote Area Medical ) come to Wise County, Virginia year after year so people can go to the fairgrounds and stand in a line like cattle in the hot July sun just to see a health care provider ??? America's health care system is a disgraceful sham !
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 07:05 PM
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5. California has passed 3 health care for all bills, vetoed by Gov. Schwarzenfucker.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 07:09 PM
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7. Gov Schwarzenfucker......
:rofl:

If the name fits......
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 07:13 PM
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8. Yeah I usually use cuter ones but it's time to cut to the chase.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 07:17 PM
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9. We Coloradans are the lucky ones... we have a Dem who acts like Schwartzenfucker.
I sooo hope he goes down in flames in a BIG challenge.

Otherwise, it's very likely he has angered the unions and others to the point where Colorado will go red again.

What a dipshit!

Then there's our Senator Michael Bennett....but my blood pressure is already high enough....

:grr:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 07:24 PM
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11. oh no. Yeah, CA's demise began early 90's with term limits and putting businessmen in state office
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 07:27 PM
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13. Strange. I was living in CA when Raygun was elected gov, and I could have sworn that began the
state deterioration.

:shrug:

Ritter is doing his darndest to do the same to CO. :grr:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 07:30 PM
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14. Well there's that...........
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 07:08 PM
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6. Hadn't heard about this, but it sounds good.
Thanks for posting this.

I know that Dr. Rocky White, in Colorado, has written a state single-payer proposal.

I recently found that there was an innovation in it that was interesting.

On the face of what I see of this, it sounds good, and I will call my WORTHLESS Rep, even though it will just be ignored. poop.....
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 07:27 PM
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12. Interesting article...thanks...K&R...n/t
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:58 PM
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16. well crap. If we can't get single payer on the Federal level, then
I spose we might as well try to get it on the State level. What a stupid fragmented way we have of providing health care. Make such a mess for practitioners and patients alike!
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:40 PM
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17. URGENT Take Action
Rep. Dennis Kucinich has proposed a crucial amendment for single-payer healthcare and we urgently need you to call one or more of the 26 Democrats on the House Education and Labor Committee. Our message is simple:

Please support Rep. Kucinich's Amendment today to let states create single-payer healthcare systems. The federal government should give states the freedom to fix our health care crisis.

You can call any time and leave a voicemail if no one answers. If you do speak with a staffer, please post their reply here:
http://tr.im/sJeO

You can also urge your Senators and Representatives to support the Single Payer Health Plan (H.R. 676) by signing our petition:
http://tr.im/sJfk

The Kucinich Amendment would let individual states create single-payer healthcare systems even if Congress fails to create a nationwide single-payer system.

That's exactly how Canada evolved towards single-payer: one province at a time. Given the corporate-funded resistance to single-payer in Congress, the U.S. may have to follow the Canadian path.

Progressive activists in California, Illinois and Pennsylvania are leading the way for single-payer systems and the Kucinich Amendment would remove the legal roadblocks they face.

The fate of the Kucinich Amendment rests in the hands of the 26 Democrats below. Please call as many as you can.

George Miller (CA-7) 202-225-2095
Dale Kildee (MI-5) 202-225-3611
Donald Payne (NJ-10) 202-225-3436
Robert Andrews (NJ-1) 202-225-6501
Bobby Scott (VA-3) 202-225-8351
Lynn Woolsey (CA-6) 202-225-5161
Ruben Hinojosa (TX-15) 202-225-2531
Carolyn McCarthy (NY-4) 202-225-5516
John Tierney (MA-6) 202-225-8020
David Wu (OR-1) 202-225-0855
Rush Holt (NJ-12) 202-225-5801
Susan Davis (CA-53) 202-225-2040
Raul Grijalva (AZ-7) 202-225-2435
Tim Bishop (NY-1) 202-225-3826
Joe Sestak (PA-7) 202-225-2011
David Loebsack (IA-2) 202-225-6576
Mazie Hirono (HI-2) 202-225-4906
Jason Altmire (PA-4) 202-225-2565
Phil Hare (IL-17) 202-225-5905
Yvette Clarke (NY-11) 202-225-6231
Joe Courtney (CT-2) 202-225-2076
Carol Shea-Porter (NH-1) 202-225-5456
Marcia Fudge (OH-11) 202-225-7032
Jared Polis (CO-2) 202-225-2161
Paul Tonko (NY-21) 202-225-5076
Dina Titus (NV-3) 202-225-3252
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:35 AM
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18. Thing is, that if the Feds pass a single-payer Medicare like
National Health Plan, there would be no need for states to have any plan at all.

You are sick? Go to any Dr/any hospital and be treated and walk away without any bills hanging over your head. Thats the way the other countries do it and it works.

There will be new expenses on one side of the ledger, and new savings on the other side.

Ought to balance out over the long run.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:47 AM
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19. The amendment passed...
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 05:46 AM
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20. Two Hours Left to Call - Msg from DK
Dear Friends,
It is 6.30 am on Friday and we have just finished a 20 hour marathon committee markup of the health care bill, HR3200, during which I offered the amendment to enable states to pursue single payer health care plans. A recorded vote on my amendment will occur in the Labor and Education committee sometime between 9:15 am and 10:00 am EST. Your help is needed urgently. Please call committee members now and ask for their vote for the Kucinich Amendment.
Thank you, Dennis
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