Insurance Industry Documents to Discredit SICKO - Now Posted - Bill Moyers/PBS site

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http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/transcript2.html

"...WENDELL POTTER: I thought that he hit the nail on the head with his movie. But the industry, from the moment that the industry learned that Michael Moore was taking on the health care industry, it was really concerned.

BILL MOYERS: What were they afraid of?

WENDELL POTTER: They were afraid that people would believe Michael Moore.

BILL MOYERS: We obtained a copy of the game plan that was adopted by the industry's trade association, AHIP. And it spells out the industry strategies in gold letters. It says, "Highlight horror stories of government-run systems." What was that about?

Note: You can download the documents by clicking here and here (PDFs)..."


http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/ahip2.pdf

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/ahip1.pdf

[Merlot]

1. Headline a little misleading

This is about the plan by the AMA to discredit Sicko, not actual documents to discredit Sicko.

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4. Changed the subject line, thannks n/t

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12. AMA or AHIP, Moyers said these plans were adopted by AHIP? n/t

[berni_mccoy]

16. NOT the AMA, the AHIP... BIG Difference.

[baldguy]

2. Should read: Insurance industry documents attempt to discredit Sicko

They didn't succeed.

[slipslidingaway]

5. Thanks, added "insurance industry" to the subject line...

they have done a good job IMO.

page 5, document 1...
"Take the issues SICKO raises off the table"

National Health Insurance has been taken off the table.

:(

[Spazito]

3. Kicking while reading the transcript!

Thanks for posting this, it is much appreciated!

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6. YW, I'm still reading as well. n/t

[Gabi Hayes]

7. thanks for this. your thread generated:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6085559

[Cerridwen]

8. K & R - Reading and thanks for subject/title change.

Who is Michael Sheehan wrt Sicko and the insurance industry.

I'm trying to kick, rec, post and read so info on Sheehan would save me one multi to task. :D

Thanks.

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11. Thank you, you are further along then I am :) ....

House Committee still is session marking up the HC bill.

[Cerridwen]

13. Naw, I think I started on 2 and I'm going backwards.

Par for my course, I might add.

LOL

[slipslidingaway]

17. Page 10 is my starting point...thanks for the quotes, I'll look at them

tomorrow.

[Cerridwen]

18. I'll keep kicked as long as I'm still upright. :D

Maybe someone else will volunteer for the night shift.

:hi:

[slipslidingaway]

21. Thank you, Kucinich offering an amendment now ...

to make sure that single-payer can be offered in the states.

Similiar Sanders amendment was defeated in te Senate.

Talking about HR 676 now...

[Cerridwen]

9. John Stossel and WSJ listed as places to go to get

single-payer "nightmare" stories out.

[Cerridwen]

10. Encourage centrist Dems to warn the party about an association

with Moore.

Encourage republicans to raise Moore as a political liability.

BTW, in case ya can't tell, I'm quoting from the docs - ahip2.pdf right now.

eta:

Seek to place a OpEd from a prominent Democrat warning about too close an association with Moore.

eta2: yeah, polls are valid/valuable

Conduct research with Democratic polling firm to show that, regardless of positive movie reviews, Moore's views are out of sync with American voters.

[misanthrope]

19. They seem awfully confident they can find Dems who will "play ball"...

...Gee, I wonder why?

[Cerridwen]

23. Sad, huh?

They make pretty clear why. If Dems don't play ball, Dems career ends.

Gee, wonder why they even *let* us vote?

[Cerridwen]

14. ...campaign to disqualify government run healthcare

as a politically viable solution.

I'm going crazy I can't copy and paste this damned thing.

[Cerridwen]

15. I'll quit with the spoilers.

Though I will say, I think we're freaking close to their "worst case scenario." hee hee




hee hee




haw haw

HAW HAW


BWAHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

:rofl:

[misanthrope]

20. Whose "worst case?"...

...Because we're not any closer to the insurance biz's nightmare – single payer – than we were a year ago.

[Cerridwen]

22. See inside for "spoiler"

Movie changes political center of gravity on health care.

The movie sparks a long-term public relations and reputation challenge for the industry.

To paraphrase what you said upthread, they don't seem concerned an actual government, single payer system will happen. It's not even on their radar.

[Cerridwen]

24. kick back up for the "night crew"

:kick:

[Cerridwen]

25. Morning kick.

:kick:

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27. :)) n/t

[glitch]

26. K & R nt

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28. Thank you :) n/t

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29. "Define the Health Insurance Industry as Part of the Solution"

check!

page 5 document 1

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30. "Access is restricted - the government chooses for you..."

Check!

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31. "Compile data on problems with government controlled HC systems...

...use survey research to validate the perceived shortcomings of single-payer systems.

page 13 document 1

Check!

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32. Saturday kick - skim through the documents to see how they

have marginalized and excluded a national health system.

But AHIP is included in the discussions.

:(

[Quantess]

33. kick

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34. Thanks and a Sunday kick n/t

[moondust]

35. Reminds me of the tobacco industry.

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36. Yes! n/t

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37. TYT talks about insurance industry document to discredit SICKO...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=339978&mesg_id=339978