I'd like to say thank you to all the trolls we've had here on DU recently.

[TheWraith]

Seeing the other side reminds DUers who the real enemy is, rather than each other or Obama.

[hedgehog]

1. My thoughts exactly.

[liberal N proud]

2. They always seem to come in waves

It's not one here and one there, but rather a whole swarm of them.

[lib2DaBone]

6. Amen.. More Freepers here lately than in Freepland...

.... they think they can hide.. but their ideas stand out as so ANTI-SOCIAL and so ANTI-HUMAN.. it's like watching a corpse from 'The Night of The Living Dead' walk towards you.

Truly some sick individuals wrapped in the American flag and carrying a cross. Hannitized, Rush Limbaughed, rolled in a generous coating of O'Reilly and left sobbing like Glenn Beck on Chrystal Meth.

[jhain]

7. Well said!

Always amazes me how they insist on voting against their own best interests.... Must all be unemployed ( wonder if Mc Cain is still saying the economy is rosy.)as they seem to have so much time on their hands.

[Soylent Brice]

42. everything you said and a bag of chips.

[goclark]

72. Freepers please go back to your hole at Freeper Land nt

[Cleita]

8. I can't prove this, but I think they are all coming out of either the same

boiler room or think tank. The mono-messages would indicate that one person is doing the slogan writing to pass on to the lemmings.

[blondeatlast]

27. It's pretty obvious they are IM'ing or chatting. I remember a weekend

in '08 when all of a sudden GD and GD/P had an inordinate number of posts about the previously unknown Sarah-something or other, governor of Alaska, as a veep candidate--"a real threat" was the unifying theme..

Ya know, it was the same weekend Biden was announced. Coincidence? Suuuuure it was, yeppers...

[Greyhound]

51. Oh no, all conspiracies are simply products of our delusion of persecution complex.

:sarcasm:

The sad thing is that there are so many that buy it...

[musette_sf]

29. + 1

[valerief]

85. I figure the RNC has outsourced more work to India. nt

[gtar100]

90. Couldn't be India. People there know how to spell English words correctly.

n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

94. They spell English words correctly

but often miss on American words.
Color
favor
defense
etc.

[Enthusiast]

91. Oh yeah, they are

organized alright.

[KharmaTrain]

102. Hate Radio Explained

It was a dirty little secret that many hate radio hosts got morning "fax blasts" with the day's talking points from the Rovemeister...or they'd pick it up on the morning news shows and then amplify it all day, day in and out for months and years. It's the true Orwellian "big lie"...say it enough and people believe it. The fact that these freepers all sing the same song shows how effective their brain stems have become infected.

[Pat Riot]

111. haw haw you are funny

"think tank"....snort!

[Cleita]

112. LOL! Yes it is an oxymoron when it comes to Freepers isn't it?

:rofl:

[Mrs. Overall]

18. Yes.

Especially when there is a lot of negative conservative/christian news, as there has been the past few weeks.

[Control-Z]

40. Yes. And this latest swarm

has been huge. The mods, however, have been really great about exterminating them, I've noticed.

[NorthCarolina]

101. Seems as though they really like to gather

in threads pertaining to Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann or Ed Schultz to publicly proclaim how they "just can't watch that crap anymore".....hoping their scripted tirade against Liberal/Progressive commentators will somehow convince real DU'ers who read it to think "oh my, Rachel does seem smug, I guess, perhaps I should stop watching her and switch over to Glenn Beck for news without theatrics".

[TheWraith]

3. And on that note, somebody unrecommended my post.

:eyes:

[Greyhound]

52. That's OK, I countered it. n/t

[OHdem10]

4. What am I missing?? Trolls??? At other boards I spot them

but not many here.

[mopinko]

10. we catch them and

dispatch them very, very quickly.

[Scout]

11. new chew toys are fun! n/t

[Quantess]

45. There are a couple in Political Forums right now

Obvious FReepers that haven't even been tombstoned yet. (Look at the Pat Buchanan / Maddow thread, and a Glenn Beck thread.)

[Control-Z]

41. Oh, there have been.

Actually, noticeably the most I've ever seen here at one time. I read something like six threads (in GD) in a row the other day, each with new trolls. Then I went to another forum and found the first three threads to have the same. And that was in less than an hour's time. It's been so bad that I've asked about it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=217&topic_id=7204&mesg_id=7225

[robinlynne]

5. hey I hit Rec and nothing happened! must be someone out there unrecing!

[newtothegame]

9. Oh god. We'd get a hell of a lot more accomplished here if there weren't people whose sole purpose..

of being here is to desperately search for trolls. Sad really. Sad existence.

[Vickers]

16. What the fuck are you talking about? Can you name one DUer whose

"sole purpose of being here is to desperately search for trolls" or are you just talking shit?

:shrug:

[rhett o rick]

46. My vote is for shit (sounds weird). nm

[Jazzgirl]

82. Word.

n/t

[Jester Messiah]

104. Shit would be a better choice than most/all of the Repub "frontrunners" [nt]

[madeline_con]

122. There was a recent "incident" where some were ts'd. I'm not

saying I have an opinion either way, but obviously, it was important enough to the mods to give them the boot. :shrug:

[blondeatlast]

20. Yes, because this site is a dead serious activism site and now you've spoiled all the fun

by posting in a thread about that which you find distasteful.

[Mrs. Overall]

21. I can see why that makes you nervous.

Not that I keep a list or anything in my sad, really sad existence.

[blondeatlast]

26. That reminds me, I need to update the Excel spreadsheet and get it to you!

:rofl:

[Mrs. Overall]

28. Oh my. I think our secret troll assassination squad is about to go public--

better get my teenage daughter to start posting so she can cover my ass!

[Spazito]

36. No one has to search them out...

They, for the most part, stick out like sore thumbs with their racist, homophobic, pro-rich, anti-public healthcare philosophy. I must admit I LOVE playing with them, it is so damn easy!

[Hissyspit]

60. I was playing with one on YouTube when he/she/it said

"I don't pay for anyone's health care but my own!"

Man, talk about shooting fish in a barrel. Easy pickings.

[Spazito]

113. The delicious irony is they think they are being subtle....

Most of the time I am laughing so hard it becomes hard to type a response to them, lol.

[Grinchie]

70. If you want to Play, just take a look at Topix dot com.

This is a corporate and republican controlled blogging site that is attached to many Newspapers, in this case, the Honolulu-Star Bulletin.

The sheer amount of Political dirty tricks going on there is truly incredible. If one were to take a sample of the active posters, who are allowed to change their handle at will, you would think that Hawaii is populated by a bunch of 12 year old kids who have just escaped from the "Lord of the Flies".

Not many people are brave enough to wade into the trenches for direct hand to hand combat in the Wild West of Topix, but it certainly opens a persons eyes to the talking points, and well funded nature of the Corporate Communication engine.

Looking at TOPIX from the top down, it looks like it's the private enclave of the Media Mouthpieces for Corporate and Political interests, and it's clear that Talking Points are handed out daily.

[Spazito]

114. I only want to play with them if they have 'teh' stupidity to invade...

my home turf, DU, as it were. I used to play with them on AOL but it became very boring because, believe it or not, 'teh' stupid is WAY worse there than in the ones that crawl into DU, everything being relative, lol.

[Grinchie]

121. True, but if you want to fight a war, it's advantageous to enter the battlefield sometimes.

In the chaos of the wild wild west, it is sometimes easier to identify patterns due to the sheer volume of repeated talking points.

DU is downright civil.

[Spazito]

123. I tend to treat the real world differently than the virtual world..

On the issues I feel strongly about, I challenge/debate them in the real world and play with them in the virtual one.

I am a 'bad' DUer, though, in that I don't simply alert on them and move on, the kid in me just can't do that, lol.

[rhett o rick]

47. Just what the F are we trying to get accomplished here?

I love me a good troll. Loads of fun.

[Enthusiast]

92. You're way way off.

We simply do not want to hear Reich Wing talking points repeated here as if we are stupid enough to believe fantasy. No one has to look for them, they stick out like a sore thumb. Just watch for someone that has no original independent concepts.

[fascisthunter]

106. you seem worried

[kestrel91316]

109. Perhaps you'd be happier at FR?

[madeline_con]

118. I heard that!

:hi:

[Romulox]

12. How do you tell the trolls from the "blue dogs"? They believe mostly the same stuff.

If somebody comes on DU preaching:

surge in Afghanistan
more taxpayer dollars for private corps
the "sanctity" of AIG bonuses
demands concessions from unions
and opposes Single Payer healthcare,

is he freeper troll? No, he's the President of the USA.

The pendulum has been moved WAY to the right in the past decade, and today's "centrists" are yesterdays extremists.

[RoccoR5955]

14. The "blue dogs" might as well be trolls. n/t

[Sebastian Doyle]

38. Indeed

Some of the biggest trolls on this board are the ones who ride the short bus to cheerleader camp everyday.

And they can hide behind a Wellstone, a Che, or a union avatar, but they ain't foolin' anybody.

[Control-Z]

43. In all fairness,

the blue dogs have a better grasp on DU speak. The trolls stick out in their own desperate and unique trollish ways. Not to mention the fact that blue dogs often have a pretty high post count. Trolls usually get TSed before they've had a chance to post all that much.

[Grinchie]

75. They are both in the same in my opinion.

The simplest litmus test is to view their position as either "Life Positive" or "Life Negative".

The right is certainly life negative, despite the fact that they like to conceal it with the empty slogan "Pro-Life".

Clean Coal is certainly "Life Negative".
50 Billion Dollars to Nuclear Power Plants is "Life Negative"
Clear Cutting Old Growth forest is certainly "Life Negative"
Appointing Ex-Monsanto Legal counsel Michael "Mike" Taylor to the USDA is "Life Negative".
Barring the amendment of Audit the Fed to the Appropriation bill arbitrarily is "Life Negative"
Feeding a trillion dollars a year to the Military is "Life Negative"

It's pretty easy to spot the danger we are in by going to the root of the issues. DLC/Troll/Corporate Media operative... It's all the same.

[Tim01]

58. You just said the President holds the same views as a freeper troll.

This is a strange site sometimes.

[Grinchie]

74. Trolls attempt to divert discussion through any means possible

They use:

Strawmen
Direct Ridicule
Tinfoil Hat
Give him some time
It could be worse
Your a freeper
Why vote for someone who is unelectable
He talks to aliens
My S-10 can still peel rubber, and your transportaiton is junk.
WTC-7 Collapsed due to a fire
Weston Price was a shill
Ozone is the Primary constituent of Smog.
You hate GM so you must be Anti-Union.
What's wrong with Michael Taylor?
What's wrong with Vilsack?
What's wrong with Rahm Emmanuel?
What's wrong with the DLC giving Blowjobs to the Corporations?
What's wrong with escalating the wars overseas?
What's wrong with hurriedly prepared Vaccines?
"Thats what Rooselvelt said about the Polio Vaccine."
etc.
etc.


I could go on and on and on. All of these talking points are establish to be used by Corporate interests, and the other direct attacks just are fluff. If people are so gullible to believe that the Corporate Interests and political mouthpieces are not active here in an attempt to sway public opinion, they you need to wake up.

They cannot influence people if they take the time to actually research the BS they spew, connect it to historical fact, and Identify the pattern that is repeating itself. Once we all begin to identify patterns, the better off we will be, and we will be much better prepared to call out the bullshit artists when they intrude on real discussions.

[Sirveri]

13. People seem to forget the other choice was McCain Palin.

Obama might do a bunch of stupid DLC garbage, but he'll never be as bad as those two bozos.

[tekisui]

44. That's for damn sure.

As much as I think he's gotten wrong, I know mcPOW would have gotten it more wrong on those issues and been exponentially worse on other issues.

We would not even be having a health care debate if they were in the WH.

[BlooInBloo]

15. It's awkward because they try fairly hard to melge with regular anti-Obama DUers...

and those DUers do little, if anything to dissuade them.

[cascadiance]

19. It isn't that there's necessarily a lot of "anti-Obama DUers"...

Many DUers make posts that question some of the policies this administration, even though we might praise others after having voted for him in the election too.

The problem is that they make their posts brief, and just try to voice an "anti-Obama" sentiment echo to the problem that is stated in the post.

I'll give you a sample of a thread I made yesterday. Look at the first response to this thread. It is from "bumbum" who I suspect is a freeper (with a low post count) and who I responded to in another thread where he and at least one other freeper seemed to be getting their little posts in and were making their anti-progressive opinions more obvious there (the "tax" thread that was right next to mine in the greatest page list).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6085032&mesg_id=6085045

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6084870&mesg_id=6085088

With the brevity of what was posted, it was hard to see if this person was selectively speaking against Obama (when Obama perhaps deserves critique for the actions described on this page), or if he was just trying to promote an anti-Obama theme in general. Had he been more verbose in this comment and would have tried to critique other areas that I thought undeserved, I would have taken him to task for it.

[BlooInBloo]

22. bumbum is gone. And was perfectly obviously a troll....

Obvious to those who don't hate Obama, at any rate.

EDIT: Thank you for providing an absolutely PERFECT example of what I initially described - I was too lazy to find one.

[cascadiance]

24. I think he was obviously a troll in the second thread I posted...

Where he and one other were taking some obvious anti-progressive positions in their posts.

The first one he had only a subject line where he spoke out against Obama's stances on transparency, and therefore was hard to separate from those where we are legitimately concerned about Obama's stances on transparency (this issue, and other issues such as supporting state secrets privilege, torture memo coverups, etc.). Now with these brief (and rather meaningless posts), most of these I suspect are ignored by other posters, as they don't provide any substantive dialogue to the discussion, but echo some folks sentiments. If I were a freeper, that would be the good stealthy way in this thread to try and "inflate" people's sentiments against Obama with such comments. The other thread was an example of how not to be stealthy, by taking on the progressives directly on issues.

Obama is himself creating this atmosphere where we can't distinguish freepers from those of us legitimately concerned about his policies when he doesn't really deliver on promises of things like transparency to us. Were he more trying to shut down State Secrets privilege, open to having congress more informed about CIA operations, etc. then there would have been no wiggle room for a post like this for the freepers, as we wouldn't be making these posts then.

[BlooInBloo]

25. "we can't distinguish freepers from those of us legitimately concerned"...

If only the "legitimately concerned" would speak out against them at the time.

I understand why you don't, of course. You need allies, and will take them wherever you can find them

Note that if the "legitimately concerned" would speak out against them, people like me would be MUCH more inclined to take the "legitimately concerned" more seriously. If the "legitimately concerned" don't feel the need to distinguish themselves from the trolls, I can't think of a single reason why I should.

[cascadiance]

31. I'm not try to "align" people against Obama... Just align people on taking stances on issues...

I'm still HOPING that Obama will be our champion on helping reduce the executive power grabs that Bushco created and give us more transparency, but just like many on the left had to challenge FDR to ultimately do the things he did that helped us so much with the New Deal, we need to critique his stances where they need criticizing. And I don't feel like I should have to explain each time I make such a post that I'm not railing against Obama in general but against some of his policies. And the more policies he has that are of concern for us, it makes it harder for us to qualify our posts that way too.

Now if those that are "pro-Obama" would equally explain that they still have problems with Obama on some of these issues that they share our concerns about before putting out pro-Obama posts on many other issues, then perhaps we'd have a level playing field.

But as long as we're focusing on issues and not on just trying to tear him down or build him up in basically "cheerleading threads", then I feel we should be allowed to just focus on these issues and not have to explain our "stances" each time on whether we support Obama or not.

[BlooInBloo]

32. (shrug) So be it. Continue to further a troll-friendly environment.

[cascadiance]

33. Furthering a troll friendly environment isn't the objective. Correcting mistakes IS!

And to ignore mistakes so as to not create a "troll friendly" environment, creates a WORSE environment of group think which is what some up there want to further goals of power, without the substance of delivering on proper change to warrant getting that additional power.

This isn't just a football game where we just pick a side we want to win. It is important to fight for certain things we want to see changed/fixed when we win that is the important thing. If those things don't happen, then they need to be discussed, even if others try to exploit those differences of opinions, etc.

[BlooInBloo]

34. Contrary to your strawman, the team I'm on isn't the best because I'm on it...

Just the opposite. I'm on the team I'm on because it's the best. Things that support the other team (which is bad in-itself) and not simply because I'm not on it) can go to hell.

Criticism: great - I do it myself - as do many others - routinely.

Criticism that cannot be distinguished from the other team's: fuck off.
Criticism that permits or solicits republican support: fuck off.

Don't ever complain about someone not distinguishing you from republicans, when you refuse to distinguish yourself.

I hold myself to the same standard. Of course, nobody would ever mistake my criticism for a republican's. (To their credit, people here are pretty clear that I'm a dick, but in no manner am I a republican.)

[cascadiance]

35. I suspect that that troll didn't care a rat's patootie about transparency of government...

In fact probably bumbum feels the opposite. So when he MASQUERADES as supporting "more transparency", which is NOT a Republican stance and IS a progressive stance on how a democratic government should be run, then yes, it's hard to distinguish his LIES to foster more anti-Obama feelings from our own feelings of concern and discomfort of what OBama is doing that is NOT a traditional progressive stance.

So, that is why we shouldn't be beating each other up about whether or not we support/don't support Obama, and focus on the issues. I try hard not to let my concern about these issues to color whether I support or don't support Obama. I do believe he was the best option we had in last election (come the general election), and I'm glad he's there and not a Republican. But democracy and our participation in it doesn't stop at just getting him in to office.

I don't think any thinking person in that post I made would say that myself or emptywheel would be confused with Republicans, even if we're on the other side of his stances here that are themselves PLACATING and protecting Republicans!

Instead of directing ire towards us on the left that question his policies, direct your ire at those within his administration (Rahm, etc.) that are creating these situations where there's enough confusion that the freepers can exploit it.

About the only person that I feel that I can cheer now that I think you want to be able to cheer Obama in the same fashion is Dennis Kucinich, who I feel is consistently trying to work for us, and not trying to rationalize certain positions as "compromise", when its hard to tell at times what sides some of these pols really are on, ourselves the people or the lobbyists that pay their bills in a system that's structured to make elected officials dependent on these "contributions" (aka bribes!).

[Laelth]

30. Obama is being challenged from the right AND the left.

Very true and, perhaps, as it should be, but that means we can not assume that someone who attacks Obama is a freeper. Those of us on the left have legitimate concerns.

That said, there are still, occasionally, trolls here.

:dem:

-Laelth

[Jakes Progress]

69. A problem is when that concern

is labeled as trolldom.

[Spazito]

39. Yep, bumbum was more inept than most and...

that's saying alot, lol. It came to my attention in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6085090

and in it's eagerness, had to be first in this thread too, BIG mistake, lol. Here is it's post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6085090&mesg_id=6085104

[Grinchie]

76. You nailed it Cascade

I was all for Obama, and was looking forward to a good house cleaning. He did not go out of his way to be part of the DLC, in fact, he distanced himself from them as I recall.

As soon as he gained office, we see a hillbilly revival of old DLC apparatchiks, along with a definately Pro Corporate, no accountability, lets move on approach. I mean WTF are we going to do, allow binding arbitration behind closed doors so we can moved ahead?

I don't think so.

He has certainly mislead a lot of us, and recently it appears that he is fully aware the he lost a majority of his base, so now he can steamroll ahead unfettered with the DLC goal of selling us out to the Corporations, and not be bothered with the requests of Progressives or the "Real Democrats"

It's all a game. We have been screwed again, and this time, it may be too late to recover what we have lost.

[graywarrior]

17. The reminds me of the Coneheads trying to convince us they're from France

when we can sniff them out after one post. Why they want to be here is beyond me. I'd never go over there, tho they have mentioned me a few times...lol.

[rhett o rick]

48. WAIT, WAIT. What are you saying? Coneheads are from France and don't try to tell me otherwise. nm

[graywarrior]

99. Apparently.

According to them they are. But then, they're coneheads.

[blondeatlast]

23. Nothing unites like a coimmon enemy. nt

[rhett o rick]

49. Or bad speling. nm

[Joe Fields]

37. and what is your definition of a troll?

[rhett o rick]

50. A chubby elf that lives under a bridge. Sheesh, I thought everyone knew that. nm

[Name removed]

54. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Forkboy]

57. Well, we won't have to worry about that with you.

[H2O Man]

62. True.

Never had to, anyhow. But good it's gone.

[Mrs. Overall]

65. It is sort of sad to see a troll go out in flames on a thread about trolls.

[H2O Man]

66. There were a couple

of OPs by our guest that have disappeared. The moderators did well.

[Wednesdays]

71. ROFL! Let's do more of these threads...it's like a trap for stupid people

They know the trap is there, yet they still fall in!

:rofl:

[Mrs. Overall]

61. Trolls make DUers think? Trolls burst DUers "wittle" bubble?

No, trolls attempt to disrupt, insult, and spread their conservative, and sometimes christian, agenda in a subtle way. Some are quite good and stay on here for years. Others are so very blatant in their attempt that they only make it to 30 or so posts, though some can achieve nearly 500.

So far, no troll has burst my little bubble nor caused me to think. I've definitely been pissed off a time or two, but mostly I simply laugh at their inability to be stealthy and accomplish their mission.

Are you so seemingly angry because someone has accused you of being a troll?

[Spazito]

63. LOL and oh my!

:popcorn:


Edited to add: Damn, I didn't even get to play with it at all!

[Name removed]

105. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[lesliewhitebird]

53. The only enemy is an unexamined life...Opposing views are not the enemy

nor are Democrats the saviors all the time. I don't want my national forest decimated so that we can wipe our arses with soft tissue paper, do you? And yes, it pisses the shit out of me! I guess that makes me a freeper troll...:eyes:

[ProfessorGAC]

55. You've Convinced Me!

Happy now?
GAC

[lesliewhitebird]

56. I am not receiving...You are not the OP, so

:wtf:

[ProfessorGAC]

64. What A Surprise!

An obtuse and pompous post that required a sarcastic response, and you missed the sarcasm.

What a shock!
GAC

[H2O Man]

59. You are

the very definition of an "arse wipe."

[Grinchie]

67. The Trolls come out when the masses of awake people point out Corporate Giveaways.

They need to come in and demean or diminish the concern we have over the steady march to the drumbeat of the DLC Corporate whores.

Make no mistake, these guys are playing with huge budgets, well thought out and timed campaigns designed to shape opinion. It makes no difference when Democrat or Republican is in office if they all sway in the breeze farted out from the Corporate masters.

The time for blind party loyalty is over, and it's time to face the reality that our Democracy is sliding into Corporate fascism. I think the Freepers are in a kind of shell shock, and are now so angry at being the enablers of the first phase that they can't think straight. The Corporation now thinks they can do the same with the Democrats and count on blind loyalty from the silly.

They are plenty of people here on DU that can see a charm offensive, or a troll based attack that appears to come from an "Average Working Guy", simply because the Trolls can't hold up under the withering onslaught of facts, logic and reasoning, which are the mortal enemies of Marketing campaigns and Charm Offensives.

We are no longer Trusting, kindly natives on the beach welcoming Captain Blye in the 1800's, but we are now the Fierce warriors that ripped out Captain Cooks Liver when he returned to Kelakekua Bay on the Big Island.

Our Cynicism grows daily, and all the Trolls have are the same, tired old Strawmen and apologetic remarks they've been using for the last 8 years.

Words mean something to me. When words become nothing more than a Charm Offensive, backed up with actions more readily identified with the status quo, I'm not going to stand for it, or wait "A few months more" like others bleat constantly.

This administration has done nothing to rebuild the trust in the financial system. In fact, it obscures it even more, and tries to paint a happy face on recovery.. To what?

[Mrs. Overall]

68. Oh my.

There's nothing like using eloquent words (which at first appear to be against conservative trolls) to critique Obama and those who support him.

[Grinchie]

77. Make no mistake, I'm cynical

There are many that would defend the actions of Obamaa Administration who would cry out if Bush had done the same.

These are the Opposite coin of Trolldom, and just as dangerous in my opinion. They try and make everything right, but are unable to do so through thoughtful examination of discussion.

Are you calling me a troll because the cycnicism count has turned me against this administration that I supported and worked hard for? Good luck on that..

[Mrs. Overall]

78. No, I'm not calling you a troll. I just think it was interesting how you turned the tables

in your post.

[Grinchie]

87. I call it as I see it.

I'm just a little more focused on results, evidence and historical similarities than most people.

[Mrs. Overall]

88. I may not agree entirely, but I think you make some thought provoking points.

And, you write well and I appreciate that.

[Grinchie]

89. People really need to wake up and break out of the emotional trap

It doesn't take a catastrophic event to allow someone to grant themselves the ability to think clearly and logically.

Unfortunately, many Americans are so well trained that nothing other than a shock to the system will snap them out of it.

Only education and introspection, along with free time that is stolen daily in order to feed the Corporate money pit.


The biggest disappointment so far is that the DLC had to run Obama as a stealth candidate, because the DLC was already exposed for the dirty dealing, Corporate controlled entity is turned out to be. The fact that the DLC could not win with their own Uberkind, Hillary, they hedged their bets with Obama.

Now I can't say if Obama actually was shilling for the DLC, but his actions so far have been PRO DLC, which scares me to death. The DLC enablers alloowed the Iraq war to commence, allowed Bush to get away with much mayhem, and are now feasting at the table of Government secrecy as greedily as Bush did. Add to that the cozy relationship to the Fed, the nonstop feeding of the Military machine, and a general distancing of Obama away from the "Dean" base that got him elected.

It is the stated policy of the DLC to focuse more on Corporate intersts, because the Unions are too demanding an unreliable, along with all the other Hippies and Liberals.. At this point, it is clear to me that the DLC is running with that mantra, full charge ahead, and the base that see's the status quo is inconsequential and ignored.

I'm extremely concerned.

[ibegurpard]

110. LOL

way to turn it around!
:clap:

[Dave From Canada]

73. What about Osama Bin Laden?

[blondeatlast]

79. ??? nt

[Mrs. Overall]

81. Had me wondering, too.

Perhaps Dave will explain.

[Dave From Canada]

83. Isn't he the real enemy. Not the annoying trolls? And did it really take trolls for this

particular poster to realize Obama isn't the real enemy?

[Mrs. Overall]

84. Are you actually saying that we shouldn't talk about hunting trolls on DU because Bin Laden

hasn't been captured yet?

Do you really think that it took trolls for the poster to "realize" Obama isn't the enemy?

You are seriously giving me a headache.

[Spazito]

93. LOL, you are funny!

Your posts are always so ......entertaining.

[Occam Bandage]

80. You're welcome. nt

:P

[Richd506]

86. I agree completely

[bjobotts]

95. Another generalization without reference. Where is all the unwarranted criticism or

[bjobotts]

96. or are you what's known as a concern troll?

[bjobotts]

98. Are many incapable of supporting Obama and be critical of him at the same time??

[Hannah Bell]

97. k&r!!! let's send this baby to number 1 with a bullet!!!

[DesertRat]

100. I haven't heard that phrase in a long time!

It brings back memories. :)

[barbiegeek]

103. Thanks for your IP address

That should screw with their paranoid delusions.

[fascisthunter]

107. you planning on giving away his IP address?

[barbiegeek]

108. No, I'm just joking

I'm messing with their paranoia.

[Odin2005]

115. Just proves the Freepers are all losers living in their parents' basement.

How else would they have the time to do that shit?

[madeline_con]

117. Are you in Grandma's basement? You have a high post count.

:rofl:

[Odin2005]

119. I have a legit excuse, unlike most of the Freepers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=387

:) :hi:

[madeline_con]

116. Since we're on the subject, I'd like to admonish the long time resident assholes.

It seems to me that a low post count is a death knell to a newcomer. Just let them disagree on something like oh... immigration for instance, have one person call them a troll, and they're tombstoned. I thought we were allowed to disagree on issues like Israel/Palestine, guns, immigration, etc.

Fuck you. You know who you are. You can fall off the left edge of the globe, but some of us can be Dems and not have our hearts gushing at every person who decides to break the law. :rant:

[QC]

120. Most of the nastiest disrupters here have gold stars and thousands of posts. n/t