Top Immigration Group Demands MSNBC Muzzle Pat Buchanan On Race

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http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/top-immigration-group-demands-msnbc-muzzle-pat-buchanan-on-race/

Top Immigration Group Demands MSNBC Muzzle Pat Buchanan On Race


Looks like MSNBC has a bit of a Pat Buchanan problem on its hands.

In the wake of Buchanan’s latest (ahem) racially charged diatribe, in which he described America as a “country built basically by white folks,” a respected immigration reform group is demanding that the network stop granting Buchanan a platform to share what might charitably be termed his ideas on racial issues.

“We’re really concerned that MSNBC is putting this guy on when he should be on Fox,” Paco Fabian, a top official at America’s Voice, a frequently quoted group advocating immigration reform, told me. “He’s got a long history of being questionable on race issues in particular.”

In case you missed it, Buchanan got into a tussle with Rachel Maddow last night about Sonia Sotomayor. Buchanan said: “White men were 100% of the people that wrote the Constitution, 100% of the people that signed the Declaration of Independence, 100% of the people who died at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, probably close to 100% of the people who died at Normandy. This has been a country built basically by white folks.”

Fabian of America’s Voice says his group is putting together a letter to MSNBC, and reaching out to Latino groups as signatories, calling on the network to stop letting Buchanan offer commentary on racial issues, particularly with debate looming on immigration reform.

“This was one of the last straws,” Fabian said. “We’re really concerned that some of the language he has been using is going to come up with immigration.” Not a good story for MSNBC…

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1. Uh, maybe they should hit Fox first. nt

[Cirque du So-What]

5. Yes, POX News is definitely the major offender

but this group probably considers POX News a lost cause, so they don't even bother appealing to their sense of decency; POX hasn't got one.

[City Lights]

2. It'll be interesting to see what msnbc does about Pat.

Methinks they like the attention he brings them.

[goclark]

19. He may get his own show nt

[City Lights]

20. Ha!

You're probably right! :argh:

[alsame]

3. Good. I hope some womens' groups make

formal complaints too. Other than "Sister Sarah", he doesn't think much of women either.

[Xipe Totec]

4. Macario García, D-Day Veteran

Macario García was very much a part of the D-Day invasion. In fact, he was one of the many wounded in action during the invasion of Normandy. García, much to the dismay of the Germans, recovered from his wounds and went on to become a recipient of the Medal of Honor.

The story of this soldier is a very interesting one. I started looking for information about him after receiving a call from a gentleman in Waelder, Texas, who said that Macario García had lived near that town. According to The Handbook of Texas, García was born in Villa de Castaño, Mexico, on January 2, 1920. He was one of ten children and his family moved to Texas in 1923.

The information in The Handbook of Texas briefly states that the García family eventually settled near Sugar Land. Where they lived prior to that however, is not mentioned. So, it is possible that he did spend part of his youth living in the Waelder vicinity.

One of the things I found most intriguing about the García story was that he was not even a citizen of the United States when he was drafted by the army. American citizen or not, this young man distinguished himself on the battlefield. Reports indicate that on November 27, 1944, near Grosshau, Germany, he single-handedly assaulted two German machine-gun emplacements.

http://www.texasescapes.com/MurrayMontgomeryLoneStarDiary/D-Day-Veteran-Macario-Garcia.htm

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6. Salvador Guerrero, D-Day Veteran

During the second phase of the assault that night - allied infantry and armored divisions storming the coast of France - 25-year-old Salvador Guerrero, an engineer special brigade soldier, thought of history's greatest conquerors, such as Alexander the Great.

"I felt excited and happy to be there," Guerrero said, "because it was considered a very historic date even then."

When Guerrero, a 90-year-old Odessa resident, remembers his experiences during the Normandy Invasion, he recalls several poignant memories.

As he left the barge to storm the beach at Normandy, medics begged Guerrero and other soldiers for help pulling wounded soldiers onto dry land.

"I couldn't just go by. I took the side of a stretcher. My rifle was slung across my shoulder and it began slipping," Guerrero said, reaching to his right shoulder and the ghost of the gun strap. "It fell and hit the soldier on his wounded knee - that I will never forget."

But Guerrero didn't have time to dwell on the incident when it happened. He pushed forward, moving higher up on the beach, learning survival tactics along the way.

"One hour in a combat zone teaches a soldier more than multiple rounds of training in the states," he said.

At one point, Guerrero ducked beside a tank to avoid mortar shell explosions around him. One explosion landed close enough to knock his helmet several feet above his head before landing beside him. Another soldier pointed out later that tanks were easier targets for Germans.

http://www.oaoa.com/news/old-31997-propp-year.html

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8. Hispanic Americans in World War II

Hispanic Americans fought in every major battle in the European Theatre of World War II in which the armed forces of the United States were involved, from North Africa to the Battle of the Bulge, and in the Pacific Theater of Operations, from Bataan to Okinawa. According to the National World War II Museum, between 250,000 and 500,000 Hispanic Americans served in the U.S. Armed Forces during WWII, out of a total of 12,000,000, constituting 2.3% to 4.7% of the U.S. Armed Forces.

The exact number is unknown as, at the time, Hispanics were not tabulated separately, but were generally included in the general white population census count.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_Americans_in_World_War_II

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7. I'm very uncomfortable with media outlets bowing to pressure.

I'd rather know who the maniacs are, and have cruel fanatics like Buchanan speak forthrightly, than silence (to one degree or another) or fire them, and encourage lying, dissembling, code talk, and dog whistles all the more. At the same time, really, MSNBC should have taken him off commenting on Sotomayor early on when it was clear he was just going to foam at the mouth. The whole debate has ill-served the left -- we've spent almost all our energy counterattacking racism while barely examining Sotomayor's deference to police and corporate interests.

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11. So do you think that MSNBC allowing bigots like Buchanan to speak isn't bowing to pressure

from the corporate, rich, white, ruling class? I believe that racists should be allowed a voice. But the media shouldn't give bigots more air time than others. All I ask for is a fair amount of air time for the progressive view, which is most often over looked. Currently, the progressives are given only a small fraction of air time compared to the idiots on the right.

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21. I definitely agree about getting more progressives into media.

Even most media commonly perceived as liberal, are center-right on economics: pro-corporate, pro-free trade, low taxes, little regulation, do no favors for unions, etc. In fairness, though, it's not just the media, but the American left, including the intellectual leadership, tends to be weak on class issues.




I doubt many business interests much care for Buchanan, based on his trade protectionism and unabashed racism (bad for business, can draw protests and compromise profits). I'm sure most would prefer a nice non-bigoted respectable mainstream conservative like Neil Cavuto or Paul Gigot who despises all working people equally regardless of race or gender.

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13. I feel the exact same way! And allowing dissent also serves

to keep the conversation going. Because racist thought is best hashed out and not suppressed. You cannot legislate away prejudice; it must be reasoned with. And so what ends up happening is that those who feel (for whatever the irrational reason) that they are being 'taken over,' really lose it when they no longer have a voice at all. In other words, it confirms in their minds all the threatening feelings they have towards a society which is changing.

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15. you can't reason with people like buchannan

or jesse helms, or trent lott, or jeff sessions. they are privileged white men who benefit from their hatred. the old bastard is right about one thing: privileged white men have had a voicem, and have been the only voice for a long time. it's time for them to go away to their racist enclaves and let the grownups take over. the black, latino, white, asian, female, grown ups.

[predfan]

9. Maybe it's just me, but the more idiotic statements Republicans like Pat make on MSNBC,

the more galvanized liberals will be. Let him blather, looking foolish.

[ColbertWatcher]

10. Why don't these immigrant groups be quiet?

Don't they know we have other priorities?

Don't they know we're in two wars?

Why can't they wait for their rights?

It would be better for everyone if they sat quietly in the back until it's their turn.

Do I really need to post a sarcasm tag?

[rhett o rick]

12. I agree.

Do I also need a sarcasm tag?

[Gregorian]

14. I have to say that if people like him hadn't been on her show, we may never know.

At first I was bothered by the Newts and Kristols on the Daily Show. Then I realized that it's actually a service. It exposes these shits for what they are.

Were they somewhere in the background, not being heard, we may never know they existed. Which may be best now that I think of it.

I'd be curious to hear what others think of this. After all, we can't really rid the world of these kinds of people. We may be able to educate them. I'm not sure what is best.

[Mrs. Overall]

16. I absolutely agree. There are certain pundits whose rantings are very illuminating

as to what a silent majority is thinking and believing.

The republicans in my family are most certainly racist, but they only let it slip out now and then, but they operate with racism as a core belief. I think many Democrats and Progressives who were raised on the West or East Coast or in an urban area do not realize how the conservative mindset (of much of "middle" America and the bible belt) really works and the inherent fear and prejudice that drives it.

Although I can't stand a Gingrich, Palin, a Buchanan or a Joe the Plumber--what they spout in public is a reflection of the republican party, and at some point, we need to deal with fear and racism as a country.

Obama's election has pushed many of these conservative racists over the edge.

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17. I don't think you can educate..

the Pat Buchanans of this world. They are set in cement and not going to budge. I do think, though, that the more their ideas are questioned and discredited the easier it will be to see them for the cement heads that they are.

My ancestors were all immigrants, and I am sure that most everyone else's were too. Unless you descend from the native hominids who were living here when other people began walking across the land bridge looking for food and more hospitable living conditions, you are a product of immigration.

As for Buchanan I wish someone would buy him a muzzle period. A non removable one and then sit him on something sharp and rotate him periodically.:evilgrin:

Wait a minute, I think I figured out how to use emoticons. I was too dumb to do it before.:bounce: It doesn't take much to make me happy, I guess.

[Gregorian]

22. Haha. Maybe it IS all out war.

I'll never figure it out. My dad is liberal. His sister, my aunt, said to me the other day that she is "afraid Obama will ruin America". I couldn't believe my ears. Where has she been the last 8 years. And her daughter is a staunch Democrat, while her son is a golf addicted Republican who continues to send me things about Hitler. Which makes me very uneasy. All very nice people.

I say that the nicest people are to blame for some of the most atrocious things. Pol Pot was a gentleman, I've heard.

I was raised without having ever experienced conservatism. Only when Bush stole office did I actually realize what kind of diseased people live among us.

And I think you're right, as my aunt thinks my dad is a genius, and yet all of his working on her has not persuaded her to see the light. I believe she married an extremely conservative man who grew up poor in Lebanon, and she simply went along. And her conservatism was a form of support for him. Even after his death.

I just live life. I don't formulate theories about how to live it. Maybe that's why I'm a liberal. To me liberal is just human.

[gleaner]

23. You have an interesting political mix in your family....

With us, my parents and I were staunch Democrats. I was more radical than they were, but we agreed on most political candidates and their actions.

My brother and sister both married conservatives and through osmosis, I guess, became conservative. I experienced the negative conservative impact that Reagan brought with his presidency and I knew if Bush was elected it would be a lot worse. I found myself saying "I told you so," and "What did you expect?" a lot when my brother and sister began complaining about Bush. Then I stopped. They both lost a lot in the Bush economy. So have we all, but they didn't need me rubbing it in.

I don't think Obama is going to ruin this country. I don't agree with some of the things he is doing like the war in Afghanistan or his stance on torture prosecutions and some issues of "secrecy" for information having to do with Bush's torture program. But I do see Obama trying hard to bring back the economy from the abyss it is teetering on, and he is following up on other issues he promised to address when he was running. I hope for all our sakes he can undo the damage he inherited from Bush; but like you I know we have to wait and see. I did support him as a candidate which was unusual. In the last few elections there have been so many times that I chose the lesser of two evils. The enthusiasm for Obama felt good. It still does.

I didn't used to formulate theories about how to live life, but as I got older I chose a direction I thought I had to take. I try not to impose it on anyone else, but I do say what I think and they can make whatever they want out of it. Part of being a Quaker lady I suppose. Good luck to you, and thank you for taking the time to read and answer my post.

[Raineyb]

24. If people don't know that alleged humans of Buchanan's and Kristol's ilk exist

then they're working very hard to remain blind to their existence.

[Cha]

18. Far Fark Farking

OUT! More of us should register our complaints at msnbc about pat bigot buchannan..did they think no one would notice?

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