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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 09:45 AM
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Perspective

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That was then and this is now:

Throughout the course of the Bush years, the Republican Party, which now puts its stock in the CBO's numbers, continuously marginalized the organization for its accounting.

When the CBO predicted in 2004 that Bush's new tax and spending proposals would produce deficits of $2.75 trillion over ten years, a spokesman for the White House Office of Management and Budget declared that ''even CBO would admit we don't honestly know what these numbers will look like 10 years from now.''


That same year, the Bush administration pushed forward with its plans for Medicare Part D despite the fact that its internal cost estimates were $139 billion more than those offered by the CBO. Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee had worked diligently to defeat the attempts of their Democratic colleagues to make those estimates public.

In a similar vein, conservatives were beside themselves when the CBO refused to run the 2004 Bush tax cuts through various economic models to see if the government could, in the end, make money by stimulating spending. Rather, the CBO used a "static" method and found $1.2 trillion worth of deficits through the next decade. Republicans, naturally, largely ignored the findings.

Perhaps the biggest caution flag for treating CBO numbers as gospel -- and one of the more illuminating benchmarks from which to compare the current debate over health care costs -- is the Iraq War.

In October 2003, the CBO was asked to do a study about the costs of the Iraq War. According to varying scenarios of troop deployment the total price tag ranged from $85 billion to $200 billion over a ten-year period. A year later, the projected costs had risen further. Having already spent $123 billion, the CBO was now estimating that the prosecution of both Iraq and Afghanistan would total roughly $1.1 trillion over the subsequent ten years.

"In the scheme of things, the war is not super-expensive, but it also sure ain't cheap," said Michael O'Hanlon, a Brookings Institution scholar and prominent war supporter.



Let's not forget that the war in Iraq was a totally unnecessary expense. And there was absolutely no good reason to cut the taxes on rich people in 2001.

I honestly don't recall even the mildest objections to the costs of Bush's programs coming from the same timorous Democrats who are now threatening to block health reform because they are expensive. But then, among our vaunted centrists and conservatives, cutting taxes or embarking on a useless waste of lives by violent means always seem to take precedence over making anyone's life better.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 10:50 AM
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1. Nobody in Washington is complaining when the "right" people get the money
And when people die needlessly in a profitable fashion.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 10:54 AM
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2. they have a point this time though
why through money away at half-assed "reform" with no teeth?
All I see in these bills are mandated insurance purchase and subsidies for insurance purchase...so we are now paying taxpayer dollars to the insurance industry.
Oh, and a "public option" that is emasculated right out of the starting gate.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 12:38 PM
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3. Yes, their point is to obstruct so Obama goes down in flames.

Health reform foes plan Obama's 'Waterloo'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8533251&mesg_id=8533251


And for those w/o any insurance, the public option might look like manna from heaven right about now.

If you've found out what the final reform plan will look like, do let us know. I'm under the impression it's still being worked on.
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