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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 11:20 AM
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HR3200 (Affordable Health Choices Act) Public option start date is not til 2013!!!
I am a single payer advocate. HR676 is a much better bill and only 27pages, not 1000.

Note in HR3200 the "public option" is not slated to start until Y1, which is 2013!!!

We need it to start in 2010, or before 2012 so that our reps may be held accountable. And yes we can do it by then. Details below.

(Note 'comprimising' is misspelled, apparently they have no spell-checker)




The bill states:

"P. 116 - Subtitle B--Public Health Insurance Option

SEC. 221. ESTABLISHMENT AND ADMINISTRATION OF A PUBLIC HEALTH INSURANCE OPTION AS AN EXCHANGE-QUALIFIED HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN.

(a) ESTABLISHMENT.--For years beginning with Y1, the Secretary of Health and Human Services (in this sub- title referred to as the ''Secretary'') shall provide for the offering of an Exchange-participating health benefits plan (in this division referred to as the ''public health insurance option'') that ensures choice, competition, and stability of affordable, high quality coverage throughout the United States in accordance with this subtitle. In designing the option, the Secretary's primary responsibility is to create a low-cost plan without comprimising quality or access to
care. "



See also P14 - (25) Y1, Y2, ETC..--

"The terms ''Y1'' ... mean(s) 2013..."


I've been reading and marking up the bill here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/14/health-care-bill-released_n_232206.html

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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 11:23 AM
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1. Unacceptable on the face of it.
Medicare got up and running in very little time.

This is literally a LIFE and DEATH issue and this cannot stand!
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 11:23 AM
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2. Have you read ALL of HR3200?
Because if you haven't, you know, well, you are probably no authority on it.

:)

Just don't die and get sick until 2013. Then, you will also save up enough dough for the "cost sharing"
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 11:25 AM
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3. Not yet, working my way through....
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 11:32 AM
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6. Please finish before commenting
:)
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 11:45 AM
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7. A strong public option and a plan to control costs is an absolute
must if we expect this health reform to take root. The public plan needs to have the power to control costs and real regulatory power over the for profit insurance companies.

Excellent analysis of the pluses and pitfalls.

Health Reform: The Fateful Moment

By Theodore R. Marmor, Jonathan Oberlander

"
...A second rationale for establishing a public plan is that it could effectively control its health spending. Like Medicare, a new federal health insurance program for Americans under sixty-five has the capacity—with its purchasing power—to restrain the prices it pays to hospitals, doctors, and other medical providers. Such a public plan, which would not need to make profits, almost surely would have lower administrative costs than private plans—for example, the traditional Medicare program devotes only 2 percent of its expenditures to administration, as compared to 11 percent for private Medicare Advantage plans. The potential for savings is significant. The United States has the most expensive health care in the world largely because we pay higher medical prices and incur higher administrative costs than other nations. (Greater use of some expensive medical technologies is another source of higher spending.)<6> Offering lower premiums than private insurers, according to its backers, is a central advantage of a Medicare-like public plan.

...If both houses of Congress pass health reform legislation, a conference committee will struggle with reconciling divergent bills and conflicting political coalitions. The political dilemma is that abandoning a strong public plan—in order to win votes from centrist Democrats and moderate Republicans in the Senate—will alienate liberal Democrats in the House, who threaten to withhold support if such a plan is not included.

President Obama's involvement in this political endgame will be crucial. The most important unanswered question in health reform is how much influence the President will exert on the conference committee. Will Obama successfully pressure Senate conferees to accept a more liberal reform—including a robust public plan—than they prefer? Or will he accept a more conservative bill in order to take credit for a political victory?<17>

Whatever health reform legislation emerges this fall (if any), we can plausibly predict that it will substantially reduce the number of uninsured Americans. That in itself would be a major achievement, though it will surely fall short of universal coverage. Moreover, unless it provides system-wide limits on health care spending, any legislation that emerges from Congress will not reliably control the costs of medical care. These two issues are closely linked. Failure to control costs would jeopardize the very gains in health insurance coverage that reform promises."

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22931

also talk about heath care reform starts about 21 minutes in by the same author as the article above. If we get a weak public option with limited power over cost controls including over for profit insurance corp. profits this reform won't work.

Speakers: Jeffrey D. Straussman, Dean of Rockefeller College of Public Affairs & Policy, University at Albany;
Theodore R. Marmor, Adjunct Professor of Public Policy, Harvard Kennedy School;
Alan Altshuler, Ruth and Frank Stanton Professor of Urban Policy and Planning, Harvard Kennedy School

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC5-Sae_aKs
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 12:05 PM
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9. This is why I support single-payer and see nothing in current proposals
to encourage any compromise:

"Whatever health reform legislation emerges this fall (if any), we can plausibly predict that it will substantially reduce the number of uninsured Americans. That in itself would be a major achievement, though it will surely fall short of universal coverage. Moreover, unless it provides system-wide limits on health care spending, any legislation that emerges from Congress will not reliably control the costs of medical care. These two issues are closely linked. Failure to control costs would jeopardize the very gains in health insurance coverage that reform promises."

It's just not there.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 12:34 PM
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10. No it isn't.
And the cost referred to are not ones that are solved by offering preventative care-

"Despite the current enthusiasm for its potential, undertaking comparative effectiveness research alone does not necessarily save money; the savings depend on the uncertain effect such research has on insurers' coverage decisions for medical technologies and on changes in medical practice (19). In other words, although comparative effectiveness research may provide useful information about the clinical effectiveness and costs of medical treatment options, that information is not guaranteed to lead to significant cost savings. A 2008 CBO report estimated that an initiative to fund comparative effectiveness research would reduce national health care spending only "by an estimated $8 billion over the 2010–2019 period (or by less than one tenth of 1%)" (20).

Similarly, the potential for prevention to generate cost savings is often exaggerated. As health economist Louise Russell documents, "over the past 4 decades, hundreds of studies have shown that prevention usually adds to medical spending" (21). Fewer than 20% of studied preventive options are cost-saving (21, 22). Indeed, preventive measures that emphasize medical services (such as annual doctor visits and screening) rather than behavioral change (exercise and nutrition) can be costly (23, 24). Moreover, changing behavior is not easy. For example, producing behavioral changes that reduce high and increasing obesity rates in the United States (which some analysts argue are a major cause of rising health care spending) is surely desirable (25). It is, however, unclear what public policies could be adopted that would promptly and reliably reduce obesity rates.

It is also unclear whether paying medical providers on the basis of outcomes (pay for performance ) will generate savings. Pay for performance initiatives have generally been designed to improve the quality of medical care, although these efforts have had "lackluster early results" (26). Little investigation of the effect of P4P on medical spending has been conducted to date. However, American P4P programs often aim to increase use of selective medical services (such as preventive screenings), so cost savings are not the primary goal (27). International experience with paying for quality echoes this pattern. A British P4P initiative that aimed to increase spending as well as the use of targeted services overshot its spending targets by a wide margin (28, 29). At this point, we lack evidence that paying providers on the basis of outcomes will reduce spending on medical care.

Debatable claims about cutting costs by improving medical practices and health outcomes create an important, additional problem: The Obama administration may have to persuade the CBO to agree with the savings estimates in its health plan to conform with Congressional budget rules. The CBO has taken a skeptical view of the potential of incremental measures, such as electronic medical records and comparative effectiveness research, to control costs. As a result, the Obama administration could be forced to consider more compelling (and controversial) cost-control strategies to finance its health reform plan and get it through the Congressional budget process (30)."

http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/0000605-200904070-00114v1

The profits of those who drive up medical costs- the for profit medical industry including hospitals, labs, pharma and insurance companies, must be controlled and brought in line with the public option or it will fail. This is exactly what the citizens of Mass. are going through now.

If the public option is forced to operate on the for profit medical industry "shareholders first and foremost" formula it will fail.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 11:28 AM
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4. And in one of the proposed bills, they estimate that only 9 or 10 million people will be in the
public option by 2019!!!1! TEN FUCKIN' YEARS FROM NOW, and still such miniscule enrollment, because they put up all these firewalls.

These proposals all suck ass, they are pathetic jokes - but they do what they are supposed to - THEY PROTECT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 04:45 PM
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11. They say 3% will not be covered under this bill, most likely the 3% with the most costly illnesses..
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 11:29 AM
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5. rec #3 nt
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 12:02 PM
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8. Just like the credit card bill, give time for health care to fuck the average citizen
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 04:49 PM
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12. Why 4 years until implementation??????
What's the 'reasoning' behind that?

What's the "stated" reason and what is the "real" reason?

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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 05:26 PM
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13. My guess is so the insurance co's will have 4 years to destroy it....
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 07:15 PM
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14. DING,DING, DING, DING! We have a WINNAH!!
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