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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 06:50 PM
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As Good as It Gets? Talking points on the Democrat's health care bills and single payer
I posted more than the usual snippet since Lambert has given permission to post the entire set. Links to support can be found at Correntwire.

http://www.correntewire.com/good_it_gets_talking_points_democrats_health_care_bills_and_single_payer

As Good as It Gets? Talking points on the Democrat's health care bills and single payer
Sat, 07/18/2009 - 12:33pm — lambert

Since the House bill, HR3200, is the best on offer from the Democratic leadership right now, I'll use it as a baseline. No doubt Baucus, Schumer, and the rest will make the final bill even worse. I've been out on the "progressive" blogs, lately, fighting for single payer, and this post condenses the talking points I've developed. Feel free to copy and paste this post everywhere (but link back to Corrente, please). Share and enjoy!

Ten talking points:

1. 10 million people will not be covered. That's not universal coverage.

2. Only 9 million people will be in public option by 2019. That's not enough to keep the insurance companies honest (if that were even possible).

3. Public option does not begin until 2013. That's not "from Day One."

4. Public option is means-tested and fire-walled, so even if you don't like your insurance, you could still be forced to keep it.

5. The bills now have HMO-style care controls, supposedly as a cost control device. These were tried in the 80s, and didn't work. Remember Helen Hunt in "As Good As It Gets"? The audiences cheered. And for good reason.

6. There is no effective appeals mechanism. The three ombudsmen in the House bill do not have conflict resolution authority, as ombudsmen typically do.

7. You could be forced to buy junk insurance. If the minimum standards for coverage are set too low (which the insurance companies will do everything they can to make happen) and the subsidies for public option are chipped away at (and since they're framed as welfare, they will be), you could end up paying for insurance and still not getting care. Right now, you pay nothing and get nothing. That's better than paying, and still getting nothing.

8. The entire plan is complex, untested, and unproven. In fact, the Democrats are performing a large experiment on the health of the American people without their informed consent. In medicine, that's unethical.

9. Contrary to the assertions of some advocates, the public option will not evolve into single payer. HHS Secretary Kathleen Sibelius has said that the legislation will be crafted to avoid this; Obama now agrees (as opposed to the Obama of 2003, of course).

10. All these factors taken together might explain why Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi calls her own plan the "next best" solution for health care reform after single payer.

Don't the American people deserve the best health care system, and not the second best one? Not only will single payer save 18,000 lives a year, it will save $350 billion a year, at least.

NOTE Here's a helpful graphic that shows the operation of the public plan in detail.

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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 06:51 PM
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1. WeWantThePublicOption dot com nt
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 06:55 PM
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2. #3 is the most important point from my perspective
If the plan started in 2010, I could accept it. I wouldn't be thrilled - but I could live with it. Insurance companies do not have to accept individuals with pre-existing conditions until 2013. Insurance companies do not have to price their plans without regard to health until 2013. There are no significant reforms required to begin for 3 and a half years. For something that is as much a crisis as the economic melt-down - and which played a significant role in the economic melt-down - waiting until 2013 for the first changes (which are then phased in over the next 5 years) is not good enough.
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 07:45 PM
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4. The timing is suspect. Guess they are hoping Obama will not get a second term and they can stop it
in 2013. Single Payer NOW!
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 07:24 PM
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3. #1 for me
Unless they are volunteers that's unacceptable.
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